• Tax The Poor: Forget Occupy Wall Street, Conservatives Have A Different Idea
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Here's the real problem. We should have never bailed out the banks. We should have let them all fail, AIG should not have allowed the investment banks to insure mortgages that were not theirs to begin with. If we never bailed them out, sure wall street guys would still have gotten rich, but not as much because AIG would not have had the funds to cash out after all the mortgages fell through. The real problem was that they portrayed the large banks as "too big to fail".
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33061981]Okay let me put this anothe way. You payed them. It's your fault[/QUOTE] Kinda hard not to when you're not given a choice, or fooled into. Morally bad and borderline illegal business practices are their specialty
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33061565]"Hey guys those people over there have better stuff than me let's go steal their stuff that is totally fair"[/QUOTE] Not sure if you're trying to sound like a tosser and a retard, but you're doing a great job.
Well, you know you bleeding heart liberals is what's wrong with America. Don't you see, you're punishing the rich for providing everyone with healthcare and education. If you need those things why don't you pay for them yourself, you god damn leecher? Don't say you're poor, because that's your own damn fault, you're lazy and you're not taking any initiatives, why should we rich people be punished for your laziness? Don't get me started on your sickness, if you so desperately need a treatment, just take a loan, why should I pay for YOUR healthcare? This is the land of oppurtunity, and here everyone can be the richest guy. God bless America.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33062044]Just because you think it doesn't matter doesn't mean that you aren't saying they for deserve their money as much as a poor person. And 250k is the democrat's number for "rich"[/QUOTE] It wouldn't matter what number it was they labeled as rich, you'd be saying the same damn thing. You'd be against a 5% tax increase on people making over a million dollars because they "earned it", wouldn't you?
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33062044]Just because you think it doesn't matter doesn't mean that you aren't saying they for deserve their money as much as a poor person. And 250k is the democrat's number for "rich"[/QUOTE] Are you saying that earning 250k a year doesn't make you rich? Are you fucking KIDDING ME?! And if you meant having a total wealth of 250k Nikota was talking about earnings per year.
do it the british way: tax the everloving fuck out of the rich.
[QUOTE=XanaToast.;33061485]It seems that American Politics are divided by people who want to outreach to other countries and try and set things out properly while including everyone's opinions, while the other side are old religious and reach idiots that think that America should be the only country in the universe and seem to dispise anyone and anything that isn't a rich white christian american. And it seems the only way around conflict and wars is to vote for the left wing side. The US needs to get its shit straight. mostly by getting more sensible and reasonable politics[/QUOTE] Both sides root for the Rich and Elite, it's just that the Far Right elements in the country are much more open about it.
See, its about balance. The median U.S. income is $33,190. Now, if you tax them at 9%, that is $2,987.10. Someone making, say $1,200,000 taxed at 9%, would pay $108,000. But here is the thing. They're left with $1,092,000, where as the person at the median income is left with $30,200. "But they're having the same percentage taken off! Its fair!" You say. Well, here is the thing, the lower incomes are actually incredibly dependent on every dollar. They have to struggle to get by on what little they have. Every dollar can have a dramatic effect on them. But with $1,092,000, there is no appreciable effect. They're still living very well off. They don't have to worry about their house being foreclosed on or their car being repossessed or being unable to afford a medical procedure. If you were to go as high as 50% of their income, they'd still have $600,000, which is 18 times more than a person at the median income. And the other $600,000 can go to something useful for the entire nation. And its 200 times the amount earned from taxing that one median income at 9%. This isn't about punishing the mean rich people or destroying Capitalism, its about getting people to pay their fair share.
I'm sure all rich people can attribute some of their success to society after all, it's the consumers that made them rich in the first place
[QUOTE=Jaehead;33062446]I'm sure all rich people can attribute some of their success to society after all, it's the consumers that made them rich in the first place[/QUOTE]Exactly. They made their success off the lower classes and they owe it to them. Without the lower classes, they'd not have their money to hoard.
Well, I hope the Republicans say that shit on camera come election season. Good luck getting elected on a platform of cutting taxes for the rich and raising them on the poor. Also, that someodd percent that pays no federal income tax includes GENERAL ELECTRIC.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;33061811]Well, the goal should be to eliminate poverty, and if everyone can afford paying taxes the number should actually be higher.[/QUOTE] The number was of people who don't pay tax, if everyone is able to pay tax the number would be lower
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33061695]And rightfully so. They earned their money just as much as anyone else. Everyone is entitled to what they own equally.[/QUOTE] Explain to me why people who use deritives to make their fortunes are entitled to that money?
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33061981]Okay let me put this anothe way. [b]You payed them.[/b] It's your fault[/QUOTE] they lobbied for bailouts so while you're technically right, the public didn't have a choice
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33061917]They conned you out of your money. Successful business, and if you didn't see it coming that's your fault[/QUOTE] So should we just let anyone get away with any crime because the victim should have 'seen it coming'? I'm guessing most Americans don't sit around all day thinking of ways people are trying to screw them over.
[QUOTE=JamesRaynor;33064002]So should we just let anyone get away with any crime because the victim should have 'seen it coming'? I'm guessing most Americans don't sit around all day thinking of ways people are trying to screw them over.[/QUOTE] Congratulations sir you managed to successfully mug an old woman Here is your trophy, enjoy the money!
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33061917]They conned you out of your money. Successful business, and if you didn't see it coming that's your fault [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33061981]Okay let me put this anothe way. You payed them. It's your fault[/QUOTE] that's retarded and somewhere in you, you know you're wrong. you probably think this logic that you're taking on makes sense because it flows well, but you ignore the premises these conclusions arose from. for this to make sense, you have to swallow and accept that victims should be punished for being victimized, and the abuser should be encouraged to do so repeatedly. that statement literally legitimized all scams in the history of ever. it falls in line of she deserved it because she was asking for it. no bro, that's rape. obviously this sentiment is upsetting (and so obviously fucking wrong, jesus), especially since it's designed to allow things like this to keep happening (ie the way things are- conservatism). also consider the difference between structural bias vs individual merit. this whole thing isn't just the poor man complaining about how poor he is in comparison to those who, under the same circumstances, rose to success because of individual merit. this isn't the case; this model of thought doesn't portray reality of our situation at all. the whole point, ie the point you seem to be missing, is that those in power actively change the structure of things to stay rich, at the expense of the poor. it's not enough that they're successful, others must fail (for them to be successful-er). i shouldn't have to explain to you why this argument and ows movement exists, because then you haven't taken this issue seriously at all. otherwise you'll be arguing about how all africans in africa deserve aids and starvation because they deserved to, because none of them are good enough in terms of individual merit, and not because they're forced into a system of shit.
[QUOTE=Lalelalala;33062266]Are you saying that earning 250k a year doesn't make you rich? Are you fucking KIDDING ME?! And if you meant having a total wealth of 250k Nikota was talking about earnings per year.[/QUOTE] Um yea 250k is not that much to someone running a small business.
Capitalism baby keep the rich, rich the poor Poor.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33063963]The number was of people who don't pay tax, if everyone is able to pay tax the number would be lower[/QUOTE]Oh.
[QUOTE=Fort83;33064351]Well this isn't good. It's hard to imagine what the U.S will be like in 10 years.[/QUOTE] You can always say high gas prices and the dollar being worth less but still slightly valuable. Those are givens.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33061917]They conned you out of your money. Successful business, and if you didn't see it coming that's your fault [/QUOTE] I'm starting an idiot tax. Paypal me 150 bucks or I ban you. What? You didn't see this coming? You probably should do your research.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33061752]Just because the majority of people would like to steal money from those who have more does not make it justified.[/QUOTE] So it's justified for the rich to steal from the poor? Because that's what they are doing if they [b]raise[/b] the taxes for the poor.
I think we are getting closer and closer to a civil war. Time to move to Canada.
I'll tell ya, I live in poverty, My family only has enough to pay the bills and put a meal a day on the table, Hell i'm probably not going to get a christmas. And taxing the poor would severely fuck us over when 1 paycheck out of the month is to pay the banks (Mortgage). Another paycheck goes to bills. And another paycheck goes to food for the month, Sooo.. yeah. It's not fun only being able to eat once a day.
[QUOTE=Thyroxin;33065424]I'll tell ya, I live in poverty, My family only has enough to pay the bills and put a meal a day on the table, Hell i'm probably not going to get a christmas. And taxing the poor would severely fuck us over when 1 paycheck out of the month is to pay the banks (Mortgage). Another paycheck goes to bills. And another paycheck goes to food for the month, Sooo.. yeah. It's not fun only being able to eat once a day.[/QUOTE]But you're not paying your fair share! The rich are having to bear such a heavy strain because you aren't paying enough!
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33065438]But you're not paying your fair share! The rich are having to bear such a heavy strain because you aren't paying enough![/QUOTE] Heh' What's worse is, When i HAD a job, I'm 17, My money didn't go to my own enjoyment, My money went to bills we couldn't pay in time, And so on, Usually only leaving me with $20-$40 a week, And that normally went to something that would be able to make me relax for once, But i don't want to say that i spend all of my money on Weed, But you know what, Weed and being able to help out the family is better than getting a new phone, Or perhaps a new computer, I'd rather be high than have physical objects to play with, But that's my view on it. Because after all, Being high keeps me from being depressed and having extremely bad stress.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33064285]Um yea 250k is not that much to someone running a small business.[/QUOTE] No one said anything about any business? Or did I miss something Nikota said? I gathered he was talking about private income.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;33064285]Um yea 250k is not that much to someone running a small business.[/QUOTE] If the owner of a small business is able to take home 250k a year cash after all operating expenses, he is doing [b]very[/b] well for himself.
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