Dad Cuts Ear Off Intruder With Katana, Doesn't face Jail Time
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;20218944]
they didn't actually do anything...
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They threatened to and they made it clear that they had a weapon. That should be enough to put you in jail for at least a few years.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;20219361]They threatened to and they made it clear that they had a weapon. That should be enough to put you in jail for at least a few years.[/QUOTE]
Exactly...jail, not death.
[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;20220988]Exactly...jail, not death.[/QUOTE]
Of course, but Trotsky was saying the guys didn't even do anything when someone complained the guys got 6 months community service and a suspended jail sentence.
Have you seen how police officers are trained to behave?
If a guy is shouting, running around, they approach him calmly.
If he brings out a knife, they take out their gun, and warn him that they will shoot him if he does not stay where he is.
If he charges them, they shoot him in a non-fatal area (arm, leg, etc.) and call for assistance.
hmm he couldnt [b]hear[/b] him self get hurt
Yay. Self Defence laws used properly,
cool story for a kid to tell at school too.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;20221104]Of course, but Trotsky was saying the guys didn't even do anything when someone complained the guys got 6 months community service and a suspended jail sentence.[/QUOTE]
The weapon part posed a serious situation, the fucking threatening part?
seriously? oh no words from to drunk guys. I've been hoped up on vodka and weed, it makes you rage and act like a prick but you don't actually DO anything.
They didn't hurt anyone, steal anything, and the only thing you got on them is weapon charges and trespassing.
[editline]09:23AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;20219361]They threatened to and they made it clear that they had a weapon. That should be enough to put you in jail for at least a few years.[/QUOTE]
On what charge, saying words?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20226645]The weapon part posed a serious situation, the fucking threatening part?
seriously? oh no words from to drunk guys. I've been hoped up on vodka and weed, it makes you rage and act like a prick but you don't actually DO anything.
They didn't hurt anyone, steal anything, and the only thing you got on them is weapon charges and trespassing.[/quote]
The threat doesn't mean anything until it is made when you are brandishing a weapon.
[quote]On what charge, saying words?[/QUOTE]
That at the very least is assault.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;20226681]The threat doesn't mean anything until it is made when you are brandishing a weapon. [/quote]
yes?
[quote]That at the very least is assault.[/QUOTE]
how so
[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;20217949]You knock the guy down, there is no point continuing on. He is down, out for the count. Best thing then is for him to learn from his actions. You keep hitting and give him long lasting permanent injuries but he survives, then you are looking at a jail term, and he may still be on the streets. Then how do you protect you family? Or, you kill him, you would get a much greater sentence, and you are still not there to protect your family. The law is there to protect all parties...and it is there to stop people from killing in their home then getting away with it by lying about how they came to be there.
As you mentioned owning a gun, i'm assuming you are from the US. Please don't start bringing that argument in again, this is UK law, not US.[/QUOTE]
You've never been in a real fight. Shut your mouth.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20226781]
how so[/QUOTE]
Well, this is the UK so I am wrong in this situation. However, Assault in the USA only requires a threat of violence:
[quote]American common law [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law"][/URL] has defined assault as an attempt to commit a battery.
Four elements were required at common law:
[LIST=1]
[*]The apparent, present ability to carry out;
[*]An unlawful attempt;
[*]To commit a violent injury;
[*]Upon another.[/quote]
[/LIST]
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;20226955]You've never been in a real fight. Shut your mouth.[/QUOTE]
No, I can account for him(I have been in fights before, believe it or not) and if you get angry enough it can be very hard to stop. I've had to be pulled off of people because I wouldn't stop beating them after they socked me and gave me a bloody nose(I could usually take a punch, but a hard punch in the nose angers me like nothing else).
[QUOTE=yawmwen;20226956]Well, this is the UK so I am wrong in this situation. However, Assault in the USA only requires a threat of violence:[/QUOTE]
That's... really stupid.
you can kill or hurt a man for threatening you?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20227082]That's... really stupid.
you can kill or hurt a man for threatening you?[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that. I'm saying he should have gotten more time for what he did.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;20227110]I'm not saying that. I'm saying he should have gotten more time for what he did.[/QUOTE]
What harm did he do?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20227118]What harm did he do?[/QUOTE]
Well for one he broke into someone's house and threatened a person's life with clear intent and means to carry out the threat.
[QUOTE=Sparkwire;20163031]
I dont know why though, using tax payer money to do that when he clearly deserved.[/QUOTE]
I know, silly human rights and all. Sad thing all countries aren't like china where they execute all silly folks like these.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;20227290]threatened a person's life with clear intent and means to carry out the threat.[/QUOTE]
He didn't actually do this
there is no way to determine that he would have fucking did it. Maybe they were just trying to scare them.
This means absolutely nothing.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;20226955]You've never been in a real fight. Shut your mouth.[/QUOTE]
I've been in a few, and only when it's needed. If you mean to say have i ever been hit, then no, you are right there. I know a few useful moves to take someone down quickly, and can incapacitate them if needs be.
You may have done more, but this man didn't. He followed the law, like anyone should. If you go overboard, you should face the consequences. Muggers can become murderers through mistakes after all.
god damn the UK use really weird words for these court sentences and things.
all i know is nobody is in jail and the father is a hero
good for him id do the same thing but cut off their dick instead
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20226645]The weapon part posed a serious situation, the fucking threatening part?
seriously? oh no words from to drunk guys. I've been hoped up on vodka and weed, it makes you rage and act like a prick but you don't actually DO anything.
They didn't hurt anyone, steal anything, and the only thing you got on them is weapon charges and trespassing.
[editline]09:23AM[/editline]
On what charge, saying words?[/QUOTE]
Ever tried vodka or weed?
It can make violent people even more violent and i've seen that. When a pair of criminals high on weed and drunk on vodka break into your house with knuckledusters and such while they threaten to rape your wife & kill your children then you'd be a moron not to do something.
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;20227790]He didn't actually do this
there is no way to determine that he would have fucking did it. Maybe they were just trying to scare them.
This means absolutely nothing.[/QUOTE]
They didn't do nothing because he prevented them from doing so. He can't just wait until they begin raping his wife or killing his children to act.
If he didn't act all of the mentionted actions would maybe have happened.
Everyone has the primative instinct to kill, you just want that person out of your life for good, there is 0% chance of them coming after you in the future if you kill that person. It is a defence mechanism. I know if someone was in my home trying to steal my things or harm my family I would attack them without hesitation, the only thing to stop me is the risk of being taken to prison if the attacker died, but then there is a chance he will come back in the future if he lives.
[quote=breakyourfac]The judge ruled [b]he was free to Van Gogh[/b].[/quote]
Van Gogh can't buy him, hes dead
can I get funnies?
That's amazing! That's [I]KATANASHING[/I]!
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;20229699]Ever tried vodka or weed?[/quote]
yes, I have, at the same time. I've already said it makes you rage, but the weed mellows you out, you just act like a fucking prick when hopped up on it
[quote]It can make violent people even more violent and i've seen that.[/quote]
You've clearly not.
[quote] When a pair of criminals high on weed and drunk on vodka break into your house with knuckledusters and such while they threaten to rape your wife & kill your children then you'd be a moron not to do something.[/quote]
How about... you know, self defense?
[quote]They didn't do nothing because he prevented them from doing so. [/quote]
so he assumed?
[quote]He can't just wait until they begin raping his wife or killing his children to act.[/quote]
Yes because people magically go from being far away to raping wives.
[quote]If he didn't act all of the mentionted actions would [B]maybe [/B]have happened.[/QUOTE]
you have no way of knowing that.
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[QUOTE=decilling;20229798]Everyone has the primative instinct to kill, you just want that person out of your life for good, there is 0% chance of them coming after you in the future if you kill that person. It is a defence mechanism.[/quote]
guess I'm not human then, because i've never tried to kill people I've fought.
[quote]I know if someone was in my home trying to steal my things or harm my family I would attack them without hesitation, the only thing to stop me is the risk of being taken to prison if the attacker died, but then there is a chance he will come back in the future if he lives.[/QUOTE]
So it's all speculation.
And stealing is a crime punishable by death?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20230603]yes, I have, at the same time. I've already said it makes you rage, but the weed mellows you out, you just act like a fucking prick when hopped up on it
You've clearly not.
How about... you know, self defense?
so he assumed?
Yes because people magically go from being far away to raping wives.
you have no way of knowing that.
[editline]04:45PM[/editline]
guess I'm not human then, because i've never tried to kill people I've fought.
So it's all speculation.
And stealing is a crime punishable by death?[/QUOTE]
You're making yourself look like a criminal you know that?
You are fucking supporting the criminals. Anyways, i'll let you say what you want since i'm gonna laugh if someone breaks into your house.
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;20230740]You're making yourself look like a criminal you know that?
You are fucking supporting the criminals. Anyways, i'll let you say what you want since i'm gonna laugh if someone breaks into your house.[/QUOTE]
expert rebuttal, just ignore everything. atta boy
and uh, sparky, someone HAS broken into my house.
[editline]04:56PM[/editline]
and I'm supporting their rights you tool
[editline]04:57PM[/editline]
and don't give me that "oh dey r monsters they loser der rites"
just because two assholes got hopped up on vodka and weed doesn't mean they lose their rights
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20230768]expert rebuttal, just ignore everything. atta boy
and uh, sparky, someone HAS broken into my house.
[editline]04:56PM[/editline]
and I'm supporting their rights you tool
[editline]04:57PM[/editline]
and don't give me that "oh dey r monsters they loser der rites"
just because two assholes got hopped up on vodka and weed doesn't mean they lose their rights[/QUOTE]
You should sit down and calm down.
What a badass dad.
:smug:
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;20230785]You should sit down and calm down.[/QUOTE]
you should
uh, refute it?
:argh: how the hell, did the thugs not go to prison!
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