Analysis: Only Microsoft knows the true Windows XP numbers - but isn't telling
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[QUOTE=Nove;44211931]Were you disappointed that people were using XP instead of Vista? It's the same shit. A lot of people, do not like Metro. Myself included. So they stay on 7. There is a [I]valid reason[/I] to stay on 7. This isn't XP where you just hold on to it because you're old and you need Clippy to tell you how to insert clipart.[/QUOTE]
Staying on 7 is something different then upgrading to 7.
And people don't like 8 because its different then what they are used to. I have yet to meet someone who used 8 for a couple of months and decided to go back to 7.
I went back to 8 after trying it. I just find it pointless to make something that works better in your main desktop as something small it's own screen that has tons of shit crammed on to it that I don't want.
I want my programs and a Search bar.
[QUOTE=Nove;44212027]I went back to 8 after trying it. I just find it pointless to make something that works better in your main desktop as something small it's own screen that has tons of shit crammed on to it that I don't want.
I want my programs and a Search bar.[/QUOTE]
I doubt you have used it long enough. Both programs and search are there and arguably even better.
But I don't want to turn this into yet another w7 vs w8 thread. So if you want to continue this discussion feel free to pm me. Or start a new thread.
Southeast Asia is full of cracked Windows XP.
Went to a coffee shop in Vietnam and was forced to use it.
Last I checked, the vast majority of China uses XP, and I believe the component required in Korea for ecommerce is an ActiveX plugin, that works on XP (meaning if you want to pay online there, you have to use Internet Explorer).
My mom is still using XP
[QUOTE=T553412;44208582]I know of a lot of business that still use XP as well. Then again, they are medium and small business, and the machines are outdated anyway, only useful for filling and submitting documents and legal forms[/QUOTE]
I work for a major UK supermarket, and we still use XP for our computing, except for our critical computer equipment (runs things like the tills), which uses some ancient program from the mid 90's. Both are supposed to be getting upgrades soon, though.
You must become, one of us.
The XP lords beckon you.
[QUOTE=lavacano;44210495]I really wish MS would change that.[/QUOTE]
Yes they should totally prevent people from accessing their computer because they don't feel like paying for an OS upgrade or other reasons ad lib. That'll show 'em stupid XP users.
Haha at my organization our DoD computers are JUST starting to roll out Windows 7.
[QUOTE=Nove;44212027]
I want my programs and a [b]Search bar.[/b][/QUOTE]
Please don't tell me you click the search box in Windows 7. Also in Win8.1, you just type what you want.
[QUOTE=billi999;44212511]Yes they should totally prevent people from accessing their computer because they don't feel like paying for an OS upgrade or other reasons ad lib. That'll show 'em stupid XP users.[/QUOTE]
idk, stopping the estimated half a billion or so hosts from being easy targets for botnets, simple to break in to a steal sensitive data from, and so much more sounds pretty fucking reasonable to me really. A lot of businesses that store personal information still have a ton of XP machines, which are all totally valid attack vectors for someone who wants in to take data. AV software isn't going to function 100% on XP any more as they rely on MS releasing security patches to lower the number of vectors an attacker has, the software literally just has to deal with detection, not prevention.
Upgrading entire infrastructures to Win 7/8 isn't a small task, but it's something that needs to be done. Almost all the system admins I've had guest lectures from, or spoken to directly really want to do it, but can't because management won't free up the funds. And because most upper management types are tech illiterate as fuck, they don't understand the real risks fully.
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[QUOTE=Demache;44212793]Please don't tell me you click the search box in Windows 7. Also in Win8.1, you just type what you want.[/QUOTE]
Search has been like that since Vista. If you're too incompetent to realise it works like that, and always has and always will, maybe computers aren't your thing and you should probably learn more about them before commenting on how awful any software is.
Businesses and schools really have no excuse at this point I think. There are very few exceptions.
i dont want people to stay on xp because it adds even more machines to botnets
i imagine if shit pops off really bad for those who dont upgrade it'll be a massive wakeup call to those who refuse to understand technology. it could end up costing people hundreds of millions.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44212952] :words: [/QUOTE]
I think you make a valid point and actually agree with you, but I was thinking more about the home users (like myself). People using the WWW who don't know any better will run yet another risk akin to not having a HDD backup. Although my PC has win7, I have an ancient Dell laptop that I still use on the off occasion, but it's not even close powerful enough to properly run a newer OS before you even consider DirectX requirements. Laptops are pretty hard to upgrade, so my only other option is to buy a new laptop and I can't really afford that.
[QUOTE=patq911;44208482]It's a little skewed, but Steam says about 6%~ of it's users are on XP.[/QUOTE]
I can imagine [I]a lot[/I] of them being work/school computers
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[QUOTE=J!NX;44213473]Businesses and schools really have no excuse at this point I think. There are very few exceptions.[/QUOTE]
But they do. The machines at my work barely handle XP and all the extensions the computers have with the intranet. They'd need to replace all those computers too, which is way too much fuss and money.
[QUOTE=deggemannen;44214369]I can imagine [I]a lot[/I] of them being work/school computers
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But they do. The machines at my work barely handle XP and all the extensions the computers have with the intranet. They'd need to replace all those computers too, which is way too much fuss and money.[/QUOTE]
At the cost of having sensitive information stolen, as well as slowing business down, most actually lose money off of them. Education is also only slowed.
If it was a bank that was using XP, I would definitely avoid that bank.
That's assuming your work has information to steal, but if it did, it'd cost way more fuss and money.
of course XP can also be replacable, it does have its uses. But so does dual booting or (free) virtual machines, they can pretty much run the old programs you'll never find on 7 or 8, or linux and mac.
[QUOTE=J!NX;44213473]Businesses and schools really have no excuse at this point I think. There are very few exceptions.[/QUOTE]
Except a ton of business related programs cost a metric fuckload if you want to upgrade them to the newest version that works with the newest OS
plus replacing all the computers in a business is WAY more expensive than you would think, and could basically cripple a smaller business
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;44214751]Except a ton of business related programs cost a metric fuckload if you want to upgrade them to the newest version that works with the newest OS
plus replacing all the computers in a business is WAY more expensive than you would think, and could basically cripple a smaller business[/QUOTE]
If your business can't safely protect my personal information because it is "too expensive" then you're a shit business and deserve to go under. Small business or not. I really doubt the costs of the upgrade are less than the lawsuits that will result from your negligence to protect customer data if/when it gets stolen.
[QUOTE=draugur;44216161]If your business can't safely protect my personal information because it is "too expensive" then you're a shit business and deserve to go under. Small business or not. I really doubt the costs of the upgrade are less than the lawsuits that will result from your negligence to protect customer data if/when it gets stolen.[/QUOTE]
uh not all business deal with protecting user info though? Theres things like engineering and blueprinting programs that work the best with XP and cost a ton to get a new professional version
[QUOTE=patq911;44208482]It's a little skewed, but Steam says about 6%~ of it's users are on XP.[/QUOTE]
Steam is pretty much no indicator to the amount of computers, since XP will usually be on company machines which doesn't really upgrade too much or too quickly and where steam will just never be found.
[QUOTE=draugur;44216161]If your business can't safely protect my personal information because it is "too expensive" then you're a shit business and deserve to go under. Small business or not. I really doubt the costs of the upgrade are less than the lawsuits that will result from your negligence to protect customer data if/when it gets stolen.[/QUOTE]
Eh, most company machines will only ever connect to the intranet and never talk outside.
We tried to upgrade some of our XP (40% of our PCs-ish) machines at work this month, managed to find a deal for refurbished HP desktops for about £130 each plus a monitor for £35, however today the MD came in and had a go at us for spending money and now we're not allowed to buy in new kit till July.
Its all well and good saying there's no reason for a business not to move over to Win 7 but as long as there are tight-arse salesmen running businesses there will be IT departments like mine trying to put fires out with shot glasses.
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In the meantime, I'm going to be making bank because Geek Squad, Easy Tech and your other corporate based PC techs will no longer work on XP machines. That's instant side business for me because I'm not competing directly with the store. Win-win for everyone, especially me.[/QUOTE]
lol i'm an easytech and we actually get to decide what computers we can or cannot work on while on duty
i could theoretically take in a windows 98 computer if i thought i could fix the problem. xp service solutions are not going away for a long time
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oh fuck i didn't realize how old this thread was i am so sorry
[QUOTE=Miljaker;44212063]I doubt you have used it long enough. Both programs and search are there and arguably even better.
But I don't want to turn this into yet another w7 vs w8 thread. So if you want to continue this discussion feel free to pm me. Or start a new thread.[/QUOTE]
Tell him what he likes to use some more.
Good thing my school uses Windows Server 2008 exclusively. For every single computer.
It's not like M$ dropping support will change anything. The OS is a piece of malware attracting shit anyway. All the security patches in the world couldn't keep it safe.
[QUOTE=DestinyDstryr;44253164]It's not like M$ dropping support will change anything. The OS is a piece of malware attracting shit anyway. All the security patches in the world couldn't keep it safe.[/QUOTE]
Its not nearly as bad as you make it sound though.
[QUOTE=galimatias;44253149]Good thing my school uses Windows Server 2008 exclusively. For every single computer.[/QUOTE]
what
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44208502]Hugely skewed though. There could be a lot of businesses or old people who are resistant to change who are still clinging onto XP.[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of businesses still using Windows 95 from the 5 places I have worked at in the past 6 months.
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