• Switzerland arming itself in preparation for a European meltdown
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Maurer is an idiot though. Seriously, our military is a joke.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;38077136]I know Saudi Arabia's not the whole middle east but, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Saudi_Arabia"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Saudi_Arabia[/URL][/QUOTE] They are quite a bit more common in Syria: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_churches_in_Aleppo[/url] and also in Palestine: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cathedrals_in_Israel_and_the_Palestinian_Territories[/url]
Didn't hear about that on the newspaper (I live in Geneva) but it might be true, considering what's happening around the borders sometimes. Nonetheless, I don't really like our army, and we're making so much money off weapons sales it sometimes disgust me, but I guess it's the price to pay living in one of the richest country in the world... I always had mixed feelings about this.
Yeah, I'm just pointing out that there are places in the middle east with Christians but no churches, and there are countries that are not tolerant of churches. Like in Qatar, where Christianity was taboo, and the first church was built in 2008 after decades of no churches for hundreds of thousands of Christians.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;38077227]Yeah, I'm just pointing out that there are places in the middle east with Christians but no churches, and there are countries that are not tolerant of churches. Like in Qatar, where Christianity was taboo, and the first church was built in 2008 after decades of no churches for hundreds of thousands of Christians.[/QUOTE] I think that accepting their religion and architecture is still a good message, so the countries that still don't accept christianity think twice about it. (Btw sorry if my english sucks, I'm learning)
[QUOTE=Tomberry;38077210]Didn't hear about that on the newspaper (I live in Geneva) but it might be true, considering what's happening around the borders sometimes. Nonetheless, I don't really like our army, and [B]we're making so much money off weapons sales it sometimes disgust me[/B], but I guess it's the price to pay living in one of the richest country in the world... I always had mixed feelings about this.[/QUOTE] doesn't Switzerland do less shady deals than Germany though? Afaik Germany caught a lot of criticism for licensing MP5s and G3s to pakistan and giving G36s to Georgia actually yes, they do a lot less sales [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters[/url] [editline]17th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Tomberry;38077253]I think that accepting their religion and architecture is still a good message, so the countries that still don't accept christianity think twice about it. (Btw sorry if my english sucks, I'm learning)[/QUOTE] your english is fine
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38076828]Switzerland is mobilizing and will soon be able to field a strong army! (sorry)[/QUOTE] Hearts of Iron III reference?
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;38077038]So it's xenophobia to disapprove of buildings that ruin the typical swiss cityscape / landscape? Try building a church in the middle east that isn't just a common looking house. They're still free to practice their religion, at home.[/QUOTE] That law is completely useless, it's not like you could build whatever you wanted and ruin the landscape before. And there were like five minarets in the whole country when it was voted, I don't think there was a need for a federal law. But it's just that party, they love making [URL="http://blog.travailler-en-suisse.ch/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/stop-minarets-suisse-udc.jpg"]provocative posters[/URL] and submitting useless laws.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38076967]odd, I tend to remember my fuckups on this forum as much as my sometimes-opponents do.[/QUOTE] Stop the personal attacks on that poor guy, Jesus, you already shouted him into submission in the 9/11 thread, just shut up about the entire thing.
The Tehran Time seems like an interesting source: [quote]If you ever pass by Ostad Nejatollahi Street at Bimeh Alley you will see a sign surrounded by jasmine branches on the wall of an old house, which leads you to Iran’s first English daily newspaper, the Tehran Times. After the victory of the Islamic Revolution of Iran in 1979, there was a need for an international media outlet to export the ideas of the revolution. Ayatollah Seyyed Mohammad Beheshti realized the need and the English-language Tehran Times was born concurrently with the revolution. [B]The daily’s general policy was based on Ayatollah Beheshti’s statement: “The Tehran Times is not the newspaper of the government; it must be a loud voice of the Islamic Revolution and the loudspeaker of the oppressed people of the world”.[/B] This sentence is written on the exterior wall of the newspaper’s offices, so that it is always remembered by the staff as a motto. Now, after nearly three decades, the Tehran Times has become a strong tree, the fruit of which is attracting readers from over 80 different countries. Every day, the newspaper staff comes together from different parts of the metropolis of Tehran to present their work on the next day in 16 pages at the newsstands. The Tehran Times covers domestic, political, social, foreign, and sports news and also includes commentary. [B]Due to its accepted duties, the Tehran Times makes a special effort to publish reports on cultural and religious issues.[/B] For Islamic celebrations and religious occasions, the culture and arts page is dedicated to the event. To make the content more colorful, additional stories on Iran’s tourist attractions, women’s issues, children’s issues, and the Internet are also included and those interested can read them on special pages every week. The Tehran Times has become a reliable news source for hundreds of foreign media outlets as well as envoys from different countries based in Tehran, who read it to learn about the country’s current events. The Tehran Times also has an educational function since English language students use it as a source to learn Standard English. [url]www.tehrantimes.com[/url] is among the most frequently visited websites with over 10,000 visitors each day.[/quote] Seems legit, especially as far as I can tell it's owned by a delightful organisation called the 'Islamic Ideology Dissemination Organization'.
[QUOTE=Mike42012;38077390]Stop the personal attacks on that poor guy, Jesus, you already shouted him into submission in the 9/11 thread, just shut up about the entire thing.[/QUOTE] I didn't know this forum was so schizophrenic about personal attacks, as I'd had them leveled on me previously in other threads based on my posting in past threads on unrelated topics, and have had that person go uncriticized Either way, I'd like to say that I shouldn't have attacked Killer900 in this thread because that was totally off topic and uncalled for. If he so requests I will snip my posts regarding him.
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;38077038]So it's xenophobia to disapprove of buildings that ruin the typical swiss cityscape / landscape? Try building a church in the middle east that isn't just a common looking house. They're still free to practice their religion, at home.[/QUOTE] Lets go demolish St. Basil's Cathedral then, it sticks out like a sore thumb and it ruins the typical russian cityscape. [img]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/Photography/Images/POD/s/st-basils-cathedral-650509-sw.jpg&sa=X&ei=BQV_UJE4ib2LAtO7gegP&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGkL1leq7JC_sd3OQatGEFeefaJ0w[/img] [img]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/34974101.jpg&sa=X&ei=RgV_UIzmFaqYiQLWm4HYDg&ved=0CAkQ8wc4Iw&usg=AFQjCNF4WkTpZv4G1XC4V6Y4YtjaalQ8ew[/img] Look at those shitty colors. And lets go raze St. Patrick's Cathedral. It's Gothic Design has no room in modern day cityscapes. [img]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mod2lc0_hhA/T2oQ30uT82I/AAAAAAAALUg/mk86alkZIc4/s1600/St+Patricks+Cathedral.JPG&sa=X&ei=pgV_UP-JBOH6iwLfwoHgDg&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGFgKFRkcSc18n8TxsyaiiS9cMKQA[/img] [img]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.visit5thavenue.com/wp/wp-content/gallery/600-700/st-patrick-cathedral.jpg&sa=X&ei=7gV_UPHAHaz9iQKU2IG4Dg&ved=0CAkQ8wc4Kw&usg=AFQjCNGZdI8PGvk9jXp6mh_1T7g6xq1fmg[/img]
I still remember when the Swiss army stopped having a round in the chamber because they kept accidentally shooting each other in the foot on guard duty.
Eh, I call bullshit source. The discussion about military investments and the purchase of Gripen jets has been going on for a long time now, and it's certainly not because we fear a "European Meltdown". Granted, it's still pretty fucking dumb to aspire a "top quality military" and invest so much money into it when you're not even gonna make much use of it anyways.
I though Switzerland employed the use of a national militia, doesn't nearly every Swiss man have a military-grade rifle and at least 50 rounds of ammo in his house?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38078173]I though Switzerland employed the use of a national militia, doesn't nearly every Swiss man have a military-grade rifle and at least 50 rounds of ammo in his house?[/QUOTE] The rifle, yes, the ammo, no. Otherwise, there'd be some problems with gun control. And I think there was a discussion some time back about withdrawing the rifle too because of the risks of getting ammo in other ways.
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;38077277]Hearts of Iron III reference?[/QUOTE] Yes :v:
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;38078337]The rifle, yes, the ammo, no. Otherwise, there'd be some problems with gun control. And I think there was a discussion some time back about withdrawing the rifle too because of the risks of getting ammo in other ways.[/QUOTE] Last I heard it was the rifle and 50 rounds, so that they can mobilize an armed militia within 12 hours. Switzerland actually has extremely lax gun laws, you're even allowed to keep your rifle after service (they convert it to semi-auto), and yet it has an extremely low gun crime rate. It's not a matter of gun control, it's a matter of respect, and every able-bodied Swiss male age 18-35 is taught to respect the power a firearm has, and is trained in its safe usage and handling. As far as I know, because they've succeeded so well in eliminating the fear and "unobtainable desire" of guns that often accompanies a violent society with strict control, they have no issues with the guns available there, and shooting sports are quite nationally active. Even then, I recall hearing that seldom if ever will a crime be committed with an individual's service rifle, they often choose a different weapon. "Problems" with gun control are constructed by a gun-fearing populace, hoplophobes, in a nation that respects the power of a firearm, each other, and the law there's no need for strict controls, and Switzerland has largely succeeded at that. The problem with guns in the US isn't the gun, but the culture, there's no respect for the power of the gun, only fear. There's no respect for the law, only contempt. And lastly, there's little respect for each other, mostly hatred and discrimination. There's also a lot fewer "underprivileged" people in Switzerland who are likely to commit a crime than in the US, and there's also the fact that Switzerland is less than a tenth the size in terms of population, 7.5 million versus 350 million, and smaller populaces are easier to control, in a number of ways. You'll notice among US law-abiding gun owners, who respect the power of the gun, the authority of the law, and each other, they seldom tend to be involved in crimes, it's usually a gangster with no respect for anything.
I'm not really sure about the ammo. If I recall correctly, my brother didn't have ammo with his gun when we were roomates, I should ask him.
They don't give out the ammo anymore. But you can buy it at nearly every hunting store.
Bullshit source, shows over.
[QUOTE=Tomberry;38079129]I'm not really sure about the ammo. If I recall correctly, my brother didn't have ammo with his gun when we were roomates, I should ask him.[/QUOTE] Just checked, they don't issue it to anyone who isn't defending an airport or something anymore, not since 2007 apparently, but .223/5.56 is readily and easily available almost anywhere that sells guns/ammo in just about any country.
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;38077038]So it's xenophobia to disapprove of buildings that ruin the typical swiss cityscape / landscape? Try building a church in the middle east that isn't just a common looking house. They're still free to practice their religion, at home.[/QUOTE] wow what a joke of a post like the handful of minarets were seriously destroying the swiss landscape [quote]Try building a church in the middle east that isn't just a common looking house.[/quote] i'm at a loss for words
[QUOTE=thisispain;38079535]wow what a joke of a post like the handful of minarets were seriously destroying the swiss landscape i'm at a loss for words[/QUOTE] The funny part is, all those minarets are standing in an industrial area :v:
[QUOTE=rosthouse;38079700]The funny part is, all those minarets are standing in an industrial area :v:[/QUOTE] [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YbxJknJMYA8/TTMpSfoE36I/AAAAAAAAAK8/saoogm3HB8U/s1600/Moschee_Wangen_bei_Olten.jpg[/img] switzerland ruined forever
I hope they get the old hetzers up and running again.
No swiss pikemen, 0/10
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38078834]Last I heard it was the rifle and 50 rounds, so that they can mobilize an armed militia within 12 hours. Switzerland actually has extremely lax gun laws, you're even allowed to keep your rifle after service (they convert it to semi-auto), and yet it has an extremely low gun crime rate. It's not a matter of gun control, it's a matter of respect, and every able-bodied Swiss male age 18-35 is taught to respect the power a firearm has, and is trained in its safe usage and handling. As far as I know, because they've succeeded so well in eliminating the fear and "unobtainable desire" of guns that often accompanies a violent society with strict control, they have no issues with the guns available there, and shooting sports are quite nationally active. Even then, I recall hearing that seldom if ever will a crime be committed with an individual's service rifle, they often choose a different weapon.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I don't believe there would be any increase in crime if the ammo would be given out with the rifle. However, the government is far too afraid of anything happening. All it takes is one incident and everyone would be in uproar again.
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