Ron Paul thinks FEMA isn't necessary for Hurricane Irene response, that it should be like 1900
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Doesn't matter he'll never win the primary even if he did have popular support.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;31973717][release]He has run both as a Republican and on the ticket of his own Vampires, Witches, and Pagans Party[/release]
Sharkey/O'Donnell 2012[/QUOTE]
Fixed.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;31973717][release]He has run both as a Republican and on the ticket of his own Vampires, Witches, and Pagans Party[/release]
Sharkey/Bachmann 2012[/QUOTE]Sharkey strongly criticized President George W. Bush, whom he described as a "wuss" and a communist who was responsible for the deaths of innocent Americans in Saudi Arabia and Iraq. He has expressed a desire to try, and convict, and impale Bush, [9]
[quote]"Certain criminals, instead of being put in jail, they should be brutally tortured and impaled.... Upon them being found guilty of their crimes I'll beat them, torture them, dismember them and decapitate them."[/quote]
This Sharkey character definitely has the Facepunch vote
[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;31973664]He's better than Obama and Bachmann I can tell you that much.[/QUOTE]
Bachmann's just stupid, Parry's a mix of stupid and insanity, Paul's a silly old man who had a nice political song and dance a few years ago that managed to attract a lot of supporters.
Obama's actually got shit done and has done his best not to play turncoat unless absolutely necessary.
FEMA doesn't do shit and Ron Paul is still awesome, nothing new here.
run poal [del]2210[/del] 1912
Yeah, they had to rebuild the entire city, and even though many died, 'they survived'.
You know what's better than that? [i]Not[/i] having to rebuild the entire city, and many [i]not[/i] dying.
[QUOTE=Leather Belt;31973870]FEMA doesn't do shit and Ron Paul is still awesome, nothing new here.[/QUOTE]
FEMA's image of being ineffective comes from the Bush administration not using them to their fullest capacity
[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;31973664]He's better than Obama[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]as President, Ron Paul will continue to fight for the same pro-life solutions he has upheld in Congress, including:
* Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”
[b]* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”[/b]
Because he agrees with Thomas Jefferson that it is “sinful and tyrannical” to “compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors,” Ron Paul will also protect the American people’s freedom of conscience by working to [b]prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions, Planned Parenthood, or any other so-called “family planning” program.[/b]
Source: [url]http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/abortion/[/url] [/QUOTE]
[B][U][I]Nope.[/I][/U][/B]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31973459]They weren't especially efficient during Katrina, but any response is better than no response.
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so
Turning away volunteers.
Telling a expensive, dstate of the art mobile hospital to fuck off
Diverting aid money to bridge repair in different states.
Asking for money back, 5 years later.
all of that is good response, right
[QUOTE=Atlascore;31973927]FEMA isn't some magical barrier that protects a city from being completely destroyed by natural disasters, look at New Orleans.
People still died and they're still rebuilding the damn city.[/QUOTE]
yeah, if you look at it on google earth they just rebuilt downtown.
It's fucked up that most of the homes destroyed are trailers now
[QUOTE=Atlascore;31973927]FEMA isn't some magical barrier that protects a city from being completely destroyed by natural disasters, look at New Orleans.[/QUOTE]
FEMA was crippled by terrible management when Katrina hit, as they were newly part of the Department of Homeland Security and were still dealing with miles of red tape in addition to massive restructuring. The FEMA of 2011 is a great deal more competent.
Looks like somebody's been playing a little bit too much Deus Ex!
I know DX:HR just came out, but cool down on the playing Paul and focus on your campaign
What bugs me most about Ron Paul is that he wants to leave issues he personally disagrees with up to the States. Why the hell should human rights be up to the individual states? I don't care if you're anti-gay or pro-life or whatever; letting the state decide which rights you can and can not have sets a far too dangerous precedent.
Sure, that might lead to some states finally making some social progress, but what about other states that might decide to pass even more discriminatory garbage?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;31974070]Still, it isn't some kind of magical barrier that stops structural damage, them responding the day everything happens isn't going to stop hurricane force winds from tearing up a city.[/QUOTE]
True, my point was only that it's a valid criticism that FEMA did a poor job during Katrina, but since then they've gotten better.
The problem with this is no one knows how to build shit anymore like they did in 1900, too much time carrying briefcases and not enough with a hammer.
[QUOTE=rilez;31974134]What bugs me most about Ron Paul is that he wants to leave issues he personally disagrees with up to the States. Why the hell should human rights be up to the individual states? I don't care if you're anti-gay or pro-life or whatever; letting the state decide which rights you can and can not have sets a far too dangerous precedent.
Sure, that might lead to some states finally making some social progress, but what about other states that might decide to pass even more discriminatory garbage?[/QUOTE]
Most state's rights advocates I talk to suggest moving to another state if you don't find your current state's policies favorable.
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[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;31975025]The problem with this is no one knows how to build shit anymore like they did in 1900, too much time carrying briefcases and not enough with a hammer.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that even in his ideal scenario, thousands of people died, and if an entire city populace has to "rebuild their city", that's pretty awful.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31975043]Most state's rights advocates I talk to suggest moving to another state if you don't find your current state's policies favorable.[/QUOTE]
We should be working towards social reform as a whole; giving the State the right to decide what is and what isn't a basic human right does nothing but split the country. For someone who supports "Liberty" at every given occasion, Ron Paul doesn't seem to understand the term. Liberty by definition is letting people think for themselves, to have the freedom by which they can live life by their own free will. Letting States pick and choose your liberties because of his own moral obligations goes against everything he fucking stands for, and I think it's disgusting that people want to vote this hypocrite into office. He's against free choice. He thinks the right to spend your life with whomever you want should be up to the State. He thinks the right to having control over your own body/child should belong to the State. He also says he stands for a smaller government that has less control over your life... what exactly does this fucking guy stand for?
He's the best the Republican party has to offer? I'll take Obama for another four years, thanks.
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You shouldn't have to move from your home because an old man in office thinks he has the right to dictate how people should live their lives.
[QUOTE=rilez;31975371]We should be working towards social reform as a whole; giving the State the right to decide what is and what isn't a basic human right does nothing but split the country. For someone who supports "Liberty" at every given occasion, Ron Paul doesn't seem to understand the term. Liberty by definition is letting people think for themselves, to have the freedom by which they can live life by their own free will. Letting States pick and choose your liberties because of his own moral obligations goes against everything he fucking stands for, and I think it's disgusting that people want to vote this hypocrite into office. He's against free choice. He thinks the right to spend your life with whomever you want should be up to the State. He thinks the right to having control over your own body/child should belong to the State. He also says he stands for a smaller government that has less control over your life... what exactly does this fucking guy stand for?
He's the best the Republican party has to offer? I'll take Obama for another four years, thanks.
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You shouldn't have to move from your home because an old man in office thinks he has the right to dictate how people should live their lives.[/QUOTE]
I wholeheartedly agree.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;31973590]Only a straight, white, Christian male would say that the 1900s are preferable to today
do you guys believe me now that Paul is an idiot[/QUOTE]
Nothing he said had anything to do with being straight, white, or Christian. It's talking about fucking FEMA Jesus fucking Christ.
I agree that he's being stupid here but you keep pushing this fucking non-issue where you think he's racist and it's only discrediting you.
[editline]27th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=rilez;31974134]What bugs me most about Ron Paul is that he wants to leave issues he personally disagrees with up to the States. Why the hell should human rights be up to the individual states? I don't care if you're anti-gay or pro-life or whatever; letting the state decide which rights you can and can not have sets a far too dangerous precedent.
Sure, that might lead to some states finally making some social progress, but what about other states that might decide to pass even more discriminatory garbage?[/QUOTE]
Letting the states decide on issues like gay marriage in a country where we almost passed a federal bill banning gay marriage in all states forever is a breath of fresh air.
And it's not like the democrats are willing to go through the effort to make gay marriage legal on a federal scale any time soon.
[QUOTE=rilez;31973649][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Sharkey.JPG/554px-Sharkey.JPG[/img]
Seriously, vote for him[/QUOTE]
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Hmmmnnn... ?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31975043]Most state's rights advocates I talk to suggest moving to another state if you don't find your current state's policies favorable.
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The problem is that even in his ideal scenario, thousands of people died, and if an entire city populace has to "rebuild their city", that's pretty awful.[/QUOTE]
So then Ron Paul wants to, in effect, [i]deunite[/i] the [i]United[/i] States of America, and create the States of America? What's the point of that? What about people who cannot afford or do not wish to move to another state and are forced to live in a state whose policies and laws they disagree with?
That's it Ron Paul, you're off the Ambrosia vaccination priority list.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;31976178]So then Ron Paul wants to, in effect, [i]deunite[/i] the [i]United[/i] States of America, and create the States of America? What's the point of that? What about people who cannot afford or do not wish to move to another state and are forced to live in a state whose policies and laws they disagree with?[/QUOTE]
That's... kind of what it's already like. And has always been like.
You guys are forgetting this is a two-way street. Sure, a federal system makes it easier to get the laws you want out, but it does the same for the other side. California wants to legalize medical marijuana, federal government says no. States started legalizing gay marriage, they pass the Defense of Marriage Act.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31976207]i'm p sure all the southern states would vote to change their names to "the confederation of killing faggots, niggers, pinkos, spics, chinks, and eaters of burgers and freedom fries"[/QUOTE]
they make a nice breakfast though
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;31975025]The problem with this is no one knows how to build shit anymore like they did in 1900, too much time carrying briefcases and not enough with a hammer.[/QUOTE]
Every single moment is the new peak of architectural and construction prowess and efficiency, what are you on about
Going back to the 1900s ways of building and fixing things would be horrible
i would [I]love[/I] to experience asbestos like my ancestors could
[I]FEMA?[/I]
You've got worse enemies than FEMA.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;31976683]i would [I]love[/I] to experience asbestos like my ancestors could[/QUOTE]
Mmm, mesothelioma.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;31976613]Every single moment is the new peak of architectural and construction prowess and efficiency, what are you on about
Going back to the 1900s ways of building and fixing things would be horrible[/QUOTE]
I was saying communities are short on skilled workers to do the rebuilding compared to the 1900s. There are people out there who can barely drive a nail much less build a house.
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