[QUOTE=Colossal_Dragon;33852303]I wouldn't want my kid to live like this...[/QUOTE]
Do you have a child?
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[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33844972]True, doesn't mean it's ok to keep it alive.
Also I disagree with
If I was pumped with morphine I'd be able to deal with any pain.[/QUOTE]
morphine can only block out so much pain.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;33847987]AFAIK the parents arent hurting him. I wouldn't consider the right definition to be the flimsy one.[/QUOTE]
"treat with cruelty" is one of the things you listed
forcing a baby to live with so much pain it needs to be on morphine 24/7 is cruel
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33854061]"treat with cruelty" is one of the things you listed
forcing a baby to live with so much pain it needs to be on morphine 24/7 is cruel[/QUOTE]
im sorry who is forcing it to live?
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;33817386]There are several under research. The most promising cure, uses bone marrow transplants from a compatible donor, and has shown a complete regeneration of connective dermal tissues in all subjects. The issues lies within the immunosuppression required to receive the transplant, which raises the risk of infection to deadly levels
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[url]http://web.archive.org/web/20090211172436/http://startribune.com/lifestyle/health/19471139.html[/url][/QUOTE]
if you are going to die anyway, it is worth a shot
[QUOTE=xxncxx;33854255]im sorry who is forcing it to live?[/QUOTE]
oh yeah I forgot babies have the ability to make those decisions for themselves so nobody is
you're right!
[QUOTE=xxncxx;33854255]im sorry who is forcing it to live?[/QUOTE]
maybe the people who are injecting it with morphine to keep it alive??
[QUOTE=Sanius;33845026]they are allowing this child to live for their own selfish reasons. he will eventually die in excruciating pain. if that's not abuse I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
You sound cold and silly.
As far as I know euthanasia is still illegal in the states so they can't really do shit to help him in the way you would like them to.
Also, I don't think it's selfish to try and hold on to [B]your own child[/B], because the child wants to hold on to you as much.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33854426]oh yeah I forgot babies have the ability to make those decisions for themselves so nobody is
you're right![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sanius;33854738]maybe the people who are injecting it with morphine to keep it alive??[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;33856956]You sound cold and silly.
As far as I know euthanasia is still illegal in the states so they can't really do shit to help him in the way you would like them to.
Also, I don't think it's selfish to try and hold on to [B]your own child[/B], because the child wants to hold on to you as much.[/QUOTE]
just reposting so i know both of you read the right answer
The baby has now passed away.
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[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34220618]The baby has now passed away.
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I was about to rate someone dumb for bumping an old thread
now I'm sad
R.I.P
This is going to sound callous, but, I am glad that they died.
I wouldn't wished what that child was experiencing on anyone.
[QUOTE=echo78;34220663]This is going to sound callous, but, I am glad that they died.
I wouldn't wished what that child was experiencing on anyone.[/QUOTE]
They? Only one person died.
Euthanasia is wrong we should let people suffer THAN die
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34220698]They? Only one person died.[/QUOTE]
They can be used as a gender neutral singular pronoun.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34220698]They? Only one person died.[/QUOTE]
They can also refer to a single person. For example...
"Where the fuck did your friend go?"
"They went to the 7/11 to pick up some weed from that guy in the alley."
etc
Grammar ninjas, man.
[QUOTE=MangoJuice;34220731]They can also refer to a single person. For example...
"Where the fuck did your friend go?"
"They went to the 7/11 to pick up some weed from that guy in the alley."
etc
Grammar ninjas, man.[/QUOTE]
That sounds stupid as hell. Oh well, the more you know it seems.
Unless a true cure can be found, infants with this disease really should be euthanized, promptly. And the parents, however well-meaning, should have no say in the matter. As far as I'm concerned, attempting to raise a child like this and allowing it to suffer until its inevitable death is child abuse. I'm sorry to say, but you cannot count on the child beating the odds, not with something like this. I don't care if you think your god will somehow save them, you are not giving anyone hope or providing an example of bravery, you are selfishly prolonging the suffering of someone who could never survive this world, even under the most ideal conditions. There is a point in which one's optimism can clash so badly with reality that their positive attitude and positive actions are actually the exact wrong ethical stance.
I'm sorry for this child, and I'm glad he needn't suffer anymore.
[QUOTE=J-Dude;34220758]Unless a true cure can be found, infants with this disease really should be euthanized, promptly. [B]And the parents, however well-meaning, should have no say in the matter.[/B] As far as I'm concerned, attempting to raise a child like this and allowing it to suffer until its inevitable death is child abuse. I'm sorry to say, but you cannot count on the child beating the odds, not with something like this. I don't care if you think your god will somehow save them, you are not giving anyone hope or providing an example of bravery, you are selfishly prolonging the suffering of someone who could never survive this world, even under the most ideal conditions. There is a point in which one's optimism can clash so badly with reality that their positive attitude and positive actions are actually the exact wrong ethical stance.
I'm sorry for this child, and I'm glad he needn't suffer anymore.[/QUOTE]
Wow, what kind of a nazi are you?
You do understand that those parents will have constantly been under unfathomable emotional stress right? I can guarantee that they thought daily that it would be better to euthanise their kid. It's not like they were just blindly optomistic that it wasn't gonna last forever or that their kid wasn't in pain or anything, they knew that, and if they could have euthanised him I bet they would have.
I can't see why people play the Euthanasia card all the time, because it's illegal in the states afaik.
I guess you could say its for the best that the babby is dead now. No matter if he was laughing or being happy like a normal baby, but the constant pain he might go through, I would rather not have my child suffer
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34220788]Wow, what kind of a nazi are you?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, cruel as it seems, the parents would be emotionally compromised by their parental instinct. Instinct that would result in the inhumane suffering of an infant, were they to have their way. Distressed as they might be, the custody of the child could not remain in their hands if the mere prolonging of such a child's life would in itself be abuse.
I'm saying that if they could have done it legally, the chances are that they would have, although if it was legal and they didn't do it I don't think I would be happy. I mean, despite it being a crushing decision, it would be one that they would have to put their feelings aside and do it for the good of their son.
Take it to mass debate, people.
This reminds me of bleeding calf syndrome.
Why? the debates already started here, and it's pretty relevant to the topic. Besides it's more about the parents and the suffering they and the kid must have been going through, moreso than the actual legality of euthanasia.
[QUOTE=J-Dude;34220833]I'm sorry, cruel as it seems, the parents would be emotionally compromised by their parental instinct. Instinct that would result in the inhumane suffering of an infant, were they to have their way. Distressed as they might be, the custody of the child could not remain in their hands if the mere prolonging of such a child's life would in itself be abuse.[/QUOTE]
I'll stop taking you seriously now.
Put yourself in their position. How would you feel if you were in the hospital with your wife who was giving birth to your child and when it pops out of her vagoo, the doctors would just say "I'm sorry, your baby is terminally ill, we will now kill it"?
Oh, that's right none of us can comprehend anything the parents went through.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;34220810]I can't see why people play the Euthanasia card all the time, because it's illegal in the states afaik.[/QUOTE]
People play that card, because regardless of whether it IS legal, it should BE legal.
I'd like to know where we got the idea that it was wrong to allow someone to die on their own terms if they so chose. It's their life, their body after all. When a faithful pet grows old and it's body begins to fail, people consider you cruel if you DON'T put them to sleep. The logic is quite sound, so why do so many of us believe it shouldn't apply to our fellow man?
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