• Innocent Man shot 20 times while in bed by police - Dept. of Corrections says "Justified"
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[QUOTE=Gekkosan;40146695]So did the guy fart, or how could you possibly startle a bunch of cops by lying motionless in your bed, sleeping?[/QUOTE] Did you even read the article? [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Jin;40146790]Police didn't properly announce themselves and had no authority to be searching his house in the middle of the night. That's illegal search and seizure followed by a confused, innocent man getting shot. The police are on maximum damage control; despite saying their actions were justified.[/QUOTE] They searched the house because they had literally just arrested someone in the house due to them violating parole. They were looking for weapons.
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;40146197]Adachi-baby, still got so much to learn...[/QUOTE] Into the TV with them?
The double standard between people murdered by cops and cops murdered by people amuses me.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;40146695]So did the guy fart, or how could you possibly startle a bunch of cops by lying motionless in your bed, sleeping?[/QUOTE] By being fully awake, tell them he has guns and then, when they shouted at him to raise his hands, grabbing something concealed. Even if it was a flashlight, the cops couldn't possibly have known, especially if he just told them he had guns.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40145239]If you felt threatened you don't put [b]16 goddamn bullets[/b] in someone. How in the [b][i]FUCK[/i][/b] is that justified!?[/QUOTE] Because the guy [b]survived[/b] 16 rounds going through him. If he had a gun and meant to do harm the police officers could have been killed even after shooting the guy 16 times. Contrary to Hollywood, shooting someone once in a non-vital area does not instantly cause incapacitation. If the target is strung out on drugs or in the right state of mind he might not even notice he's been shot. Standard procedure is to empty the magazine, reload, and assess. If you shoot to kill (and you [i]never[/i] shoot 'to wound'), you make sure the target is dead.
i was being written a ticket before and a cop pulled a loaded gun on me and tried to tackle me for reaching into my back pocket to get my id before he asked me it was a $200 fine there was a fucking gun pointed at my face what the hell, i feel like 90% of cops now days love using their gun in any situation possible just to have power over someone
[QUOTE=Faz;40147482]i was being written a ticket before and a cop pulled a loaded gun on me and tried to tackle me for reaching into my back pocket to get my id before he asked me it was a $200 fine there was a fucking gun pointed at my face what the hell, i feel like 90% of cops now days love using their gun in any situation possible just to have power over someone[/QUOTE] You failed the first rule of a traffic stop
[QUOTE=Faz;40147482]i was being written a ticket before and a cop pulled a loaded gun on me and tried to tackle me for reaching into my back pocket to get my id before he asked me it was a $200 fine there was a fucking gun pointed at my face what the hell, i feel like 90% of cops now days love using their gun in any situation possible just to have power over someone[/QUOTE] There are plenty of videos online where cops were shot at during traffic stops Don't play the victim
Nice, they fired more bullets in this single incident than all of germany's police force in 2010 (or some other year), which were exactly 11 shots at humans, all of them resulting only in minor injuries, no deaths or permanent disabilities.
[QUOTE=scout1;40147576]You failed the first rule of a traffic stop[/QUOTE] i was in a public area, no car involved
[QUOTE=Robber;40147346]By being fully awake, tell them he has guns and then, when they shouted at him to raise his hands, grabbing something concealed. Even if it was a flashlight, the cops couldn't possibly have known, especially if he just told them he had guns.[/QUOTE] Right, he was in his bed but no mention of him sleeping.. Sorry about that. But still that's quite a slaughter.. Not to mention the cops overpowered the man anyway; no way he would pull a gun on multiple cops who are all pointing a gun at him, knowing that he would die this way too. I probably wouldn't be too far from the truth if I called the cops a bunch of jumpy little bitches. Sorry again but if the guy was anything close to [i]innocent-decent[/i] guy then it's always upsetting that they had to get shot for practically nothing.
In the UK we have a thing called the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), does the US have an equivalent?
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;40144381]before this thread goes any further, please do not start a rant about all cops being corrupt.[/QUOTE] Save your breath, it's gonna happen anyways.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;40148583] But still that's quite a slaughter.. Not to mention the cops overpowered the man anyway; no way he would pull a gun on multiple cops who are all pointing a gun at him, knowing that he would die this way too.[/QUOTE] [B]really[/B] Nobody has ever pulled guns on police and been shot for it? It's a perfectly good idea to try to physically restrain someone who you believe is pulling out a gun to shoot you? Nobody has ever acted irrationally and everyone behaves exactly how you'd expect them to? [editline]3rd April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Arsonist;40148621]In the UK we have a thing called the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), does the US have an equivalent?[/QUOTE] We have [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_affairs_(law_enforcement)]internal affairs[/url]
I agree that they were in the right [i]for that situation[/i] but the situation shouldn't have happened in the first place for the multiple reasons listed in the video. I believe that in the 'right situation' it can be justified for the police to shoot practically anyone, especially if you don't announce yourself and don't have the right to be there. Doesn't mean the police should find themselves in situations to shoot people.
[QUOTE=Valdor;40144377]At least he's alive, the cops might actually get in trouble this time. (who am i kidding of course they won't, all the cops are going to defend the two that shot him up and they're going to try and bury everything by saying the guy was reaching into his mattress to grab a gun that wasn't there)[/QUOTE] cop getting in trouble usually consists of a couple of weeks of paid vacation.
Bullshit. Why would he say he had three guns if he thought they were police officers, when he in fact had no guns at all? Either they lied about that, or he had no clue they were police officers.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;40148928]cop getting in trouble usually consists of a couple of weeks of paid vacation.[/QUOTE] So naturally you're paying protection racket money to your local police force right now, correct? Since there is absolutely no repercussions to officers murdering people at random...
[QUOTE='[LOA] SonofBrim;40146630']People always seem to make this argument, I honestly don't get it. I'm not trying to say they were right, but if you are presented with a situation where you have a gun, and a another man has a gun and attempts to use it in a threatening manner, you do [I]not[/I] put away your gun and take out your taser, and you do [I]not[/I] run at the man with a deadly weapon and tackle him. It puts your life at unnecessary risk. Expecting police to do this in these sorts of extreme situations is both ignorant and unrealistic. They're not trained to get killed, they're trained to attempt to eliminate the threat.[/QUOTE] Which is a problem. If I wanted the same fearful reaction from a police officer I would get from any other armed person faced with danger, I wouldn't spend the tax money getting them goddamn training. If you are so afraid for your life that you kill someone potentially innocent, you don't deserve to wear a badge. The fact that police have never been this totally accountable shouldn't be an excuse, it should be appalling and honestly terrifying. Nonlethal action should always be the first priority. Feel incapable? Send in someone else. Efficiency is an excuse for death for Nazi's. And establishing communications is possible without endangering the life of an officer, so don't try to say the police had no options here.
[QUOTE=scout1;40149131]So naturally you're paying protection racket money to your local police force right now, correct? Since there is absolutely no repercussions to officers murdering people at random...[/QUOTE] Maybe you've ignored a lot of the recent cases in the last few years, but cops can make major mistakes and get away with it without a serious repercussion.
How do you miss a sleeping target 4 times.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;40150665]How do you miss a sleeping target 4 times.[/QUOTE] He wasn't sleeping.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;40150665]How do you miss a sleeping target 4 times.[/QUOTE] Recoil, flash, noise, panic. Shooting rapidly indoors is harder than it seems.
[QUOTE=scout1;40148657]We have [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_affairs_(law_enforcement)]internal affairs[/url][/QUOTE] So in other words, for the majority of forces in the US that's a no - why on earth would you trust an organisation to police itself? I mean, that's why the police exist in the first place. Every agency needs an external organisation to hold itself accountable to, otherwise corruption easily sinks in.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40150637]Maybe you've ignored a lot of the recent cases in the last few years, but cops can make major mistakes and get away with it without a serious repercussion.[/QUOTE] Except I bet you never followed one of them past the mandatory leave times after an officer is involved in a shooting. Nor did you pay any attention to the context, nor to police regulation, nor to the procedure which vindicates them. Of course if you can post an example and post their regulations and how they clearly violated them and explain how that is different from what the affairs commission determined (with sources for everything), I will eat my words. [editline]4th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Camundongo;40151628]So in other words, for the majority of forces in the US that's a no - why on earth would you trust an organisation to police itself? I mean, that's why the police exist in the first place. Every agency needs an external organisation to hold itself accountable to, otherwise corruption easily sinks in.[/QUOTE] It's really not that different from the UK's various oversight organizations
[QUOTE=Faz;40147735]i was in a public area, no car involved[/QUOTE] So you reached into your back pocket without announcing your intentions and the Police Officer is supposed to hope for the best that you aren't pulling a weapon? Are you trolling or do you hate the Police.
This guy had neither capability, opportunity, or intent. These cops should be fucking thrown in jail. [editline]4th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Aboose;40153765]So you reached into your back pocket without announcing your intentions and the Police Officer is supposed to hope for the best that you aren't pulling a weapon? Are you trolling or do you hate the Police.[/QUOTE] These cops fucked up big time. you don't just fucking think oh he's got a gun. You can prepare for if he does draw a weapon, but until he does so you are not in any way shape or form in the right if you pull out a weapon and fire on him.
[QUOTE=H4ngman;40146034]Every time there is yet another story about members of the US law enforcement acting like a bunch of untrained goons with guns I say to myself 'Well, this shows that something is clearly wrong with police training and if anyone can't see that it couldn't get more obvious' Then something more obviously fucked happens. I mean, how much worse can you screw up? Wait, forget I asked, I don't want to know. [B]If you're constantly put your own safety above the safety of whoever is involved in the crime, culprit or victim, based on baseless assumptions and, of all things, fear, you should not be considered a trained professional [/B]with the authority to make life or death choices, simple as that. Why does police exist? So you have people who put their life on the line to defuse emergency situations. Yes, that's dangerous and you can potentially die from not prematurely shooting a person 20 times but that's the reason why noone is forced to become an officer. That's why it's your choice to pursue a law enforcement career or not, if you don't thing you'd risk your life for that of potentially a criminal. This is obviously an aspect that is not a big enough part of police training and employment[/QUOTE] you're the winner. police lay their lives on the line in order to serve the law. if they are willing break the law in order save their own lives, then why aren't we allowed to do the same? the absence of a piece of metal?
Instead of a sleepytime rhyme, these officers wrote a wake up song. It goes pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;40154106]This guy had neither capability, opportunity, or intent. These cops should be fucking thrown in jail. [editline]4th April 2013[/editline] These cops fucked up big time. you don't just fucking think oh he's got a gun. You can prepare for if he does draw a weapon, but until he does so you are not in any way shape or form in the right if you pull out a weapon and fire on him.[/QUOTE] You are aware that he was told to put his hands up and freeze multiple times, but he didnt listen and still dug into his matress reaching for what could be a weapon (which is a very common hiding place.).
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