• The assassination attempt of the Turkish minority leader in Bulgaria (VIDEO)
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[QUOTE=Stopper;39280813]Are you literally incapable of absorbing text? Your government has a whole agency dedicated to ensuring the safety of politicians in your country and I never said that makes your [I]country[/I] more dangerous, you did that. We never deal with political assassinations, simply because they don't happen here unlike in the USA. Which is why there are no cops in the conference. Do you get it now, you should I simplify it even more?[/QUOTE] It's not that he doesn't get it. It's that he doesn't care to get it.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;39280916]It's not that he doesn't get it. It's that he doesn't care to get it.[/QUOTE] I rest my case.
id anyone else think of that scene from the dark knight where the mob thug tries to shoot Harvey while he's questioning him in court?
I hate Turkey and Turks, but I'm glad he wasn't killed. Death sucks man
[QUOTE=Stopper;39280138]That was quite possibly the only terrorist attack of any sort we've had since 1985 and this is a failed assassination attempt. [B]Yeah, what's up with us[/B]? Actually, the last politician killed here that I remember about was in 2005 and he was killed because he stepped on the mafia's toes. (Which is pretty much the only reason anyone prominent might be killed for)[/QUOTE] Holy shit you guys even had politicians killed by the mafia? Dayum Bulgaria. And before you think I'm some kind of stuck-up westerner, I'm from Romania. We're right next to you guys but we never had assassination attempts on politicians, bombs exploding and all that.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;39281280]Holy shit you guys even had politicians killed by the mafia? Dayum Bulgaria. And before you think I'm some kind of stuck-up westerner, I'm from Romania. We're right next to you guys but we never had assassination attempts on politicians, bombs exploding and all that.[/QUOTE] Well, it's not about them being politicians, it's about being businessmen. And I'm using politicians in the broadest term - the man I was talking about, in 2005, he was a banker first and then politician. Oh, and how about Ceausescu? (that's a joke)
[QUOTE=farmatyr;39280130]Wow, Obama kicked his ass.[/QUOTE] When Obama's not being president he's being a bodyguard for other presidents. Go obama!
[QUOTE=PHrag;39277432] [video=youtube;NHk_oMkkblk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHk_oMkkblk[/video] do you even protect[/QUOTE] Had to laugh at that. The president was just like "Alright mate?"
There's some very interesting theories posted by some bulgarians on Reddit, including this rather interesting photo showing that the gun doesn't appear to have a magazine loaded: [t]https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/773602_518618414828115_758992123_o.jpg[/t] [quote=Reddit]BULGARIAN HERE: Please mind that because of the political climate here, this may well be a set up from the political party itself. Elections are coming and the whole thing felt looks pretty weird. Today is the day that this guy is stepping down from the leader position. Shady stuff or not. May be a genuine attempt. This is not my own theory, a number of politicians and citizens have been talking about this already on TV and radio. For those saying the issue might be XENOPHOBIA - don't think so. The assassin IS Turkish himself(2). He has a short criminal record(3) . Initial reports said he tried to fire 2 times. It was a gas gun(1). Turkish-made 9mm gas pistol Ekol Volga. Probably costs around $20-25. UPDATE: This article of news has been doing the rounds: The gun may not have even had a clip in it. Will update when his is confirmed/busted. He also carried 2 knives. Something that often comes up when talking about Dogan: Over the last decade, Ahmed Dogan and his party DPS have become notorious for using "elections tourism", i.e. bringing Bulgarian expats from Turkish origin back from Turkey with special buses in order to have them vote in the Bulgarian elections. Various media reports claim that it is involved in large-scale corruption schemes. Many of those are based on the notorious statement by the DPS leader himself, Ahmed Dogan, made in 2005, that the DPS had its own "rings of firms" that supported it with funding. (1) A gas pistol is a non-lethal weapon for self-defense. It is typically a close-to-exact replica or conversion of a real handgun made to be able to fire tear gas cartridges only. (2) Source about ethnicity: The Washington Post Eventually, the attacker was identified by police as 25-year-old Oktai Enimehmedov, a Bulgarian national and ethnic Turk, from the coastal city of Burgas. He was carrying the gas pistol and two knives. A gas pistol is a non-lethal weapon used for self-defense, but experts say when fired from close range it can cause life-threatening injuries. [url]http://wapo.st/1098K3X[/url] (3) Source about criminal record: BBC Interior Minister Tsvetan Tsvetanov said the assailant had a criminal record for drugs possession, robberies and hooliganism. [url]http://bitly.com/1098K3X[/url][/quote] [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/16vkeq/so_this_is_whats_happening_to_a_bulgarian_party/c7zst60[/url] [quote=Reddit]Ok, I can't go without saying anything about this story. It is a huge issue on SO many levels. First off, the guy staring down the barrel is Ahmed Dogan, a Bulgarian of Turkish ethnicity. He got his start in the late 80's and early 90's as more or less a domestic terrorist. At the time, the Bulgarian (communist) government was doing some pretty dickish stuff to the Turkish population of Bulgaria, including changing their names and threatening/otherwise harassing them. This guy, Dogan, in retaliation to the regime, blew up a fuckin' train, full of women and children and everything. He was thrown in jail, and later sentenced to 10 years. HOWEVER, as the communist government in Bulgaria crumbled apart in '89, he was pardoned, less than a year after being sentenced, and he immediately founded a political party, and entered the newly-democratized government structure. Here's what you need to know about his party - it is completely ethnically-based. They win seats in parliament because 100% of the Turkish minority in Bulgaria is behind them. They gain even more seats through election fraud - bussing non-Bulgarian Turks into the country to vote for them every election. Dogan has gone on to do even more scandalous stuff, which he was acquitted of recently, and his party is actually pretty influential - their support is in the teens, and they were part of the ruling coalition for 8 years, until 2009. This is why this assassination attempt matters - Dogan knows that the fate of his political influence lies in the hands of ethnic Turks in Bulgaria. Any threats on him, or any sort of violence against Turks will be seen as ethnic aggression, and gain him much support, and many more votes in the upcoming parliamentary elections. Ideally, these aggression would come from ATAKA - Bulgaria's nationalist, right-wing, insane fringe party. They have had their sights on this guy (metaphorically, of course) for years. That is not the case, however. This is what doesn't make sense about this whole scenario - he was attacked by another Turkish-Bulgarian, wielding a non-lethal gas gun (Maybe lethal at this range, I don't know..). This means one of two things - either this was just a super-shitty assassination attempt, the motives behind which are murky and uncertain, or, and I feel this is the more likely case - he was hired by Dogan's party to carry out that botched attempt, with the sole purpose of gaining support in an election year. Of course, it's confusing why they would hire a Turk instead of a racist Bulgarian, but I'm sure the next few days we'll find out more about this guy and his motives.[/quote] [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/16vkeq/so_this_is_whats_happening_to_a_bulgarian_party/c7zwgz6[/url]
[QUOTE=-n3o-;39277405]Wow that's crazy, but I find it stupid how all these people start beating him up. I mean I don't care nor feel sorry for the assassin, but act civil guys.[/QUOTE] i dunno but if i tried to blow a hole in someone's head i probably shouldn't be complaining about some punches rolling my way
[url]http://tv7.bg/news/bulgaria/9605412.html[/url] Here's the video that the photo leach posted is from. 5:03 to see the empty gun. This unfortunately confirms at least some of my suspicions that this was a political stunt. As those reddit'ers have pointed out, a very confusing one. If they wanted to insinuate hate, why use someone of Turkish descent? Only time will tell what'll grow from this sapling... [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] Oh, and I'd like to add that it's really simple to convert a typically non-deadly gas pistol into a very deadly weapon without using anything other than a pair of pliers. (I'm ignoring the fact that blanks can kill from short-range, it may have been unmodified, but it doesn't matter if it was empty) So, what I've seen done is, people take blanks, like this [t]http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/blank-cartridges-web.jpg[/t] And push down a steel bearing halfway in the cartridge. It works almost flawlessly, except you're firing something which penetrates and doesn't buckle for anything. (steel vs lead) The other flaw is that the weapon jams easily, because it wasn't made to take that sort of bullet. That point is of course moot if the gun wasn't loaded, as it appears... [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] The media is really spitting all over this guy. For 12 hours, he went from petty crimes to drug-dealing, pimping, assault, robbery, etc.
Seems much more likely someone picked up the gun and took its magazine out so that no one could take it and use it to finish the job, at least, a lot more likely than a weird false flag attack. Stop being so paranoid.
it is kinda funny to watch a bunch of old dudes try to beat someone up. he doesn't seem fazed
[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39283804]Seems much more likely someone picked up the gun and took its magazine out so that no one could take it and use it to finish the job, at least, a lot more likely than a weird false flag attack. Stop being so paranoid.[/QUOTE] And then threw the gun back on the ground? Wouldn't it make magnitudes more sense to [I]just[/I] pick it up? Picking it up, taking the magazine out, ejecting the loaded bullet and then throwing it back on the ground. Which seems more likely?
Its crazy that the political system relies on such tactics all over the world (assuming the "conspiracies" are correct) I agree with stopper, there is no sense in picking up the gun, taking out the magazine, then putting it back on the ground and acting like nobody should touch it.
The fact he go so close enough as to pull out the gun, aim, pull the trigger and inspect the gun would frighten the shitting fuck out of me if I was that guy. I'd want a better security force.
I rest my case. The gun wasn't loaded and not even the hammer was pulled back! [t]http://i.minus.com/ib27okBQLnHzBx.jpg[/t] I compiled a small image with comparisons.
Sounds fishy alright. And he sure got his attention if that's what he was seeking.
[QUOTE=Coffee;39279422]The Czech President's pretty funny tbh [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uToMvq3yw2A[/media][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Stopper;39284731]I rest my case. The gun wasn't loaded and not even the hammer was pulled back! [t]http://i.minus.com/ib27okBQLnHzBx.jpg[/t] I compiled a small image with comparisons.[/QUOTE] I bet you the same guy who stole the pen planned all of this.
ha, he said "yolo" at 37 seconds.
[QUOTE=xKAZUYAx;39285689]ha, he said "yolo" at 37 seconds.[/QUOTE] No, he didn't fucking say YOLO.
With regards to the whole missing magazine thing, it could be that he for some stupid reason didn't want a magazine and just went with one cocked bullet. The only reason I could see for that is if the dangerous ammo he made wouldn't fit in the magazine. Or he thought one bullet would do it.
[QUOTE=Carne;39278186]You would get tackled, yes, but beaten to a pulp? Very unlikely.[/QUOTE] I bet both my bollocks that if you ran to Obama at a public event you'd be fucking shot multiple times.
What if he was trying to hold him hostage without wanting to kill him? Or just a pretty shitty killer.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;39289705][img_thumb]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/342/379/dbb.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] I still feel bad for that guy, because it really looks like he's been through some fucked up shit. He looks like he's dead inside.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39277599][img]http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx450y250_1987084.jpg[/img] Photo of the guy. He had the pistol (gas) and two knives on him when he was searched.[/QUOTE] I heard on the news he had a gas pistol.. I am a firearms owner and I am not really sure what a GAS PISTOL is? I mean I know there are gas powered rifles and I am asuming its the same thing but is it? The news said from a longer range that pistol wouldnt have killed the guy but from that point blank it would have... is it like a pellot gun or something LOL? not really understanding it =( [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=leach139;39282835]There's some very interesting theories posted by some bulgarians on Reddit, including this rather interesting photo showing that the gun doesn't appear to have a magazine loaded: [t]https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/773602_518618414828115_758992123_o.jpg[/t] [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/16vkeq/so_this_is_whats_happening_to_a_bulgarian_party/c7zst60[/url] [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/16vkeq/so_this_is_whats_happening_to_a_bulgarian_party/c7zwgz6[/url][/QUOTE] The camera was off of those guys securing the weapon for a few minutes.. are we sure they didnt unload it before standing over it?
From 0:34 to 0:43 is that the guy who was just part of a failed assassination trying to 'protect' the assassin? It might not actually be him but it looked like him to me. Also, did anyone else notice the television station logo desperately floating around in the top left corner? Jeez, I think that guy's been playing too much Dark Souls, well at least he's smart enough to be using the dark wood grain ring [img]http://puu.sh/1QyKc[/img]
[QUOTE=Fort83;39290131]That beating he received afterwards was completely unnecessary. They could've done some damage to his skull or brain. Yea he tried to assassinate someone, but mercilessly beating him is wrong.[/QUOTE] If someone tried to kill your friend wouldn't you want to kick the ever living shit out of them?
[QUOTE=tonynegs;39298314]The camera was off of those guys securing the weapon for a few minutes.. are we sure they didnt unload it before standing over it?[/QUOTE] Why would they pick it up, unload it, and put it back on the ground?
[QUOTE=tonynegs;39298314]I heard on the news he had a gas pistol.. I am a firearms owner and I am not really sure what a GAS PISTOL is? I mean I know there are gas powered rifles and I am asuming its the same thing but is it? The news said from a longer range that pistol wouldnt have killed the guy but from that point blank it would have... is it like a pellot gun or something LOL? not really understanding it =( The camera was off of those guys securing the weapon for a few minutes.. are we sure they didnt unload it before standing over it?[/QUOTE] Couldn't you google it? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_pistol[/url] And why would he pick it up, remove the magazine and eject the loaded bullet and then drop it back down on the floor? [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=CapLaPorte;39301080]From 0:34 to 0:43 is that the guy who was just part of a failed assassination trying to 'protect' the assassin? It might not actually be him but it looked like him to me. Also, did anyone else notice the television station logo desperately floating around in the top left corner? Jeez, I think that guy's been playing too much Dark Souls, well at least he's smart enough to be using the dark wood grain ring[/QUOTE] No, it wasn't. It probably went through Youtube's stabilizing filter first, which is why it appears like that.
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