• UK Government Arrest Twitter And Facebook Users If They Incite Violence Against All Muslims
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[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40801850]My entire argument is opposed to the religion of Islam. Not the ethnicity, nor skin colour.[/QUOTE] But not Christians? Despite all the sectarian violence that spilled over from Ireland in the last few decades?
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40801826] So witty! I doubt you've even clicked the link because you're scared to death i'll be right and then you'll have nothing to argue.[/QUOTE] [quote] And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah; treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now). [/quote] [URL]http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/002-qmt.php#002.083[/URL] Islam / the Quran doesn't promote anything good does it? I mean it's not like they [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakāt"]are huge on charity or anything.[/URL]
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40801850]My entire argument is opposed to the religion of Islam. Not the ethnicity, nor skin colour.[/QUOTE] Again, how does this make people saying "Kill all Muslims and burn their mosques" when people are doing exactly that justified?
Reading the Koran (Bible, Torah) and using it to generalize the behavior of all Muslims (Christians, Jews) is a ridiculous sentiment, because most of the Muslims (Christians, Jews) in the developed world are moderates, with a small portion having a flair for the dramatic and an even smaller version that will actually do violent things in the name of their religion. The fact is that most Men of God do not read their own holy book and cherry-pick the things they like to hear while attributing the things they don't to a metaphorical interpretation, if not ignoring those unpleasant bits entirely. You'd be hard-pressed to find a person who believes in everything that their holy book says.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40801856]But not Christians? Despite all the sectarian violence that spilled over from Ireland in the last few decades?[/QUOTE] Religion as a whole. This thread discusses one branch of religion in particular, and my reasons for seeing it as being invalid as opposed to say, Christianity, which I hold different views around the 'invalidity' of. Whatever happens will run it's course - whether it results in a deluded society based on fear-mongering, hatred and destruction, or a less deluded society based on progression, well-being, and freedom to believe whatever you like (as long as it's core fundamentals aren't aimed at setting a 'believe or die' mentality that lives through the ages and can only ever cause conflict).
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40801946]Religion as a whole. This thread discusses one branch of religion in particular, and my reasons for seeing it as being invalid as opposed to say, Christianity, which I hold different views around the 'invalidity' of. To be honest, I'm done arguing or even point-making anymore. Whatever happens will run it's course - whether it results in a deluded society based on fear-mongering, hatred and destruction, or a less deluded society based on progression, well-being, and freedom to believe whatever you like (as long as it's core fundamentals aren't aimed at setting a 'believe or die' mentality that lives through the ages and can only ever cause conflict).[/QUOTE] I have never seen you say a bad thing about anything other than Muslims and the mentally ill.
I don't think it's a good thing to say how much you would love to kill muslims on Twitter. But I dunno if they should be arrested for it.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;40802033]I don't think it's a good thing to say how much you would love to kill muslims on Twitter. But I dunno if they should be arrested for it.[/QUOTE] telling someone that you're going to kill them (unless it's a warning for some justifiable reason and not a threat) should get you arrested period
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;40802039]telling someone that you're going to kill them (unless it's a warning for some justifiable reason and not a threat) should get you arrested period[/QUOTE] There's a difference between telling someone you're going to kill them and saying "I'm so angry I just want to kill someone"
[QUOTE=Paramud;40802050]There's a difference between telling someone you're going to kill them and saying "I'm so angry I just want to kill someone"[/QUOTE] Well tbh people are encouraging others to kill some muslims
[QUOTE=Paramud;40802050]There's a difference between telling someone you're going to kill them and saying "I'm so angry I just want to kill someone"[/QUOTE] and what about "i'm so angry that i want to kill [B]you[/B]"?
I would just imagine if you were a Muslim, and you see this shit on the internet, No matter where you were or who you are, You would still be scared. At least the government is at trying, although it may not be working well at all.
oh lets just all have a crusade again and be on with it Because that worked out fine, right? People should stop being children on both sides.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40801953]I have never seen you say a bad thing about anything other than Muslims and the mentally ill.[/QUOTE] My opposition is towards a society which is so quick to throw labels on this or that. Gay, Straight, Black, White, Muslim, Christian, Mental - are these words true indicators of what lies within a person? No, they're just words. Yet they are the cause of so much bigotry, angst and dramatisation solely based on people's interpretations and assumptions about what they mean. Does a straight white person walk around thinking 'I'm white, I'm straight' all day? If someone points it out, it's brought to attention, apart from that, barely noticed - who even gives a fuck. Ideal society is equal treatment of all, without the labels really effecting anything - where people can just [b]live[/b]. We're well on our way to this, with the way things are going currently. What's not helping the bigotry to subside is dogmatic age-old religions that undermine this 'freedom' and claim 'absolute certainty and truth' when it certainly isn't the case. So, no, I don't 'hate' Muslims, I hate the religion. I don't 'hate' the mentally ill, I hate the labelling.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;40802060]and what about "i'm so angry that i want to kill [B]you[/B]"?[/QUOTE] Please do point out the people who have said "I'm going to kill [specific person]"
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40802103]I don't 'hate' the mentally ill, I hate the labelling.[/QUOTE] You said the ~mentally ill~ were terrible for seeking treatment because it makes them subhuman to not fully experience their mental illness or something weird or crazy. You say equally batshit stuff about everything, including muslims. All in all you're just a terrible person who hides behind pseudo-intellectualism to promote a terrible world view.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40802103]Gay, Straight, Black, White, Muslim, Christian, Mental - are these words true indicators of what lies within a person? No, they're just words.[/QUOTE] I have a bone to pick with this. Just this part, I agree with your overall post. All of those, except for black and white, [b]are[/b] indicators of who a person is, because they're all personal concepts that can't be described with a solely physical source.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40802129]You said the ~mentally ill~ were terrible for seeking treatment because it makes them subhuman to not fully experience their mental illness or something weird or crazy. You say equally batshit stuff about everything, including muslims. All in all you're just a terrible person who hides behind pseudo-intellectualism to promote a terrible world view.[/QUOTE] And your world view survives solely on the principle that you refuse to question it's foundations.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40802139]And your world view survives solely on the principle that you refuse to question it's foundations.[/QUOTE] Because I don't think you can justify this level of hate against Muslims and that it is actually okay for mentally ill people to seek treatment? Everything you say is mostly meaningless. 'my world view refuses to question it's foundation'. Every philosopher dead or alive is cringing.
[QUOTE=Paramud;40802136]I have a bone to pick with this. Just this part, I agree with your overall post. All of those, except for black and white, [b]are[/b] indicators of who a person is, because they're all personal concepts that can't be described with a solely physical source.[/QUOTE] Do they represent the whole of a person? It's like bullet points that shouldn't really influence anything until you've met the person, talked to them, and found out how they relate to your self. Does being gay really change very much about a person? Does being Christian? Does your bias change based on these bullet points? Once you've met the person, are the bullet points reflective of the person you met? Of course, some people do like to identify strongly with their labels, possibly because of how visible the labels are treated, as opposed to less 'visible' labels that they might not even consider anymore, their eye or hair colour for instance.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40802195]But do they represent the whole of a person? It's like bullet points that shouldn't really influence anything until you've met the person, talked to them, and found out how they relate to your self. Does being gay really change very much about a person? Does being Christian? Does your bias change based on these bullet points? Once you've met the person, are the bullet points reflective of the person you met? Of course, some people do like to identify strongly with their labels, possibly because of how visible the labels are treated, as opposed to less 'visible' labels that they might not even consider anymore, their eye or hair colour for instance.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNfjcazPbNA[/media]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40802202][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNfjcazPbNA[/media][/QUOTE] so brave
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40802195]Do they represent the whole of a person?[/quote] I'm just going to address this since it's the basis of your post. Representing the whole of a person is a moot point. No matter how much you talk to someone, you will never know them [b]entirely[/b], even if that's the sole point of you getting to know them. Think of your closest friend. You only know who they are based on the conversations you've had with them, and experiences you've shared with them. These are as much bullet points as adjectives are. [b]Nothing[/b] wholly represents a person. There are only things that partially describes a person.
[QUOTE=Paramud;40802252]I'm just going to address this since it's the basis of your post. Representing the whole of a person is a moot point. No matter how much you talk to someone, you will never know them [b]entirely[/b], even if that's the sole point of you getting to know them. Think of your closest friend. You only know who they are based on the conversations you've had with them, and experiences you've shared with them. These are as much bullet points as adjectives are. [b]Nothing[/b] wholly represents a person. There are only things that partially describes a person.[/QUOTE] Yes exactly.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40802270]Yes exactly.[/QUOTE] Which is why it's fucking asinine to say that you should throw out anything that doesn't succeed to wholly describe a person if there's nothing that can do that.
[QUOTE=Paramud;40802289]So it's fucking asinine to say that you should throw out anything that doesn't succeed to wholly describe a person if there's nothing that can do that.[/QUOTE] My point was encouragement of less 'living-by-labels' which would discourage bigotry when people realize that they don't actually mean a great deal in regards to the person behind them. It's fair to say that lots of people, even now, burn social bridges with their assumptions about people - to the point where they might not even bother engaging in communication at all - or be biased against someone based on their perception of the 'bullet points'. It's like 'great, you're X' - get on with it.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40802344]My point was encouragement of less 'living-by-labels' which would discourage bigotry when people realize that they don't actually mean a great deal in regards to the person behind them. It's fair to say that lots of people, even now, burn social bridges with their assumptions about people - to the point where they might not even bother engaging in communication at all - or be biased against someone based on their perception of the 'bullet points'. It's like 'great, you're X' - get on with it.[/QUOTE] So you hate lables but support bigotry and violence against muslims for just being muslim. wow
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40802373]So you hate lables but support bigotry and violence against muslims for just being muslim. wow[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SCopE5000;40801441]Wow. This pisses me off. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo[/media] In this video (BBC, 2012), thousands of Muslims in the UK are clearly shouting 'British police go to hell!' Yet, when the tables are turned and Islam is criticised, suddenly arrests are made. Fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] I said it was fucking stupid that the same laws do not apply regarding 'freedom of speech' to certain groups as it does to everyone else. You're twisting my words.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40802373]So you hate lables but support bigotry and violence against muslims for just being muslim. wow[/QUOTE]Labels are bad unless I use them to categorize people that are different from me in to an easy to attack package.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40802421]I said it was fucking stupid that the same laws do not apply regarding 'freedom of speech' to certain groups as it does to everyone else. You're twisting my words.[/QUOTE] So you're attacking the fact that people have been arrested because they said people should murder muslims?
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