• Huge leak reveals how the world's rich and powerful hide their money and dodge sanctions/taxes
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50070135]Why? The employer has all the power. Why empower them even further[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, the employer must still follow all laws affecting the workplace. They do not hold all the power. The employer must abide by OSHA, the laws of their respective industry and more.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50070135]Why? The employer has all the power. Why empower them even further[/QUOTE] That just factually isn't true. If it were, then employees would always be paid nothing unless forced by some governmental agency.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;50070129]Workers do take risks, yes. However, we have regulatory agencies such as OSHA to keep work zones safe for those involved and employers who don't follow safety and hazards codes are at risk of getting pegged in the ass by them. This also affects their reputation, a employer who is known to be cheap and endanger workers would be unlikely to keep many people who would go elsewhere. Wages are still to be negotiated by the worker and employer, and that is something I will not budge on.[/QUOTE] OSHA has little to do with my point. People who are in positions of power in the workplace, like managers and owners and so on, don't take the kind of very human risks that workers do, both physically and emotionally or psychologically. By the logic of "risk justifies compensation", the stagnant or declining wages of workers in America simply cannot be justified. It's not an internally consistent position.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50070155]That just factually isn't true. If it were, then employees would always be paid nothing unless forced by some governmental agency.[/QUOTE] i had that happen to me once. i had to call the us labor board who then threatened a federal investigation. suddenly i got a check overnighted to me in the mail.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50070135]Why? The employer has all the power. Why empower them even further[/QUOTE] If that were the case then they wouldn't [i]need[/i] workers. There is a symbiotic relationship between worker and employer, it may be estranged in this age but it is still present.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;50070214]i had that happen to me once. i had to call the us labor board who then threatened a federal investigation. suddenly i got a check overnighted to me in the mail.[/QUOTE] OK? It obviously doesn't happen to most people since most people are paid above minimum wage. If an employer is paying you basically nothing and you willingly continue to work for them, then you must not have much value to add.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50070155]That just factually isn't true. If it were, then employees would always be paid nothing unless forced by some governmental agency.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much how it works dude. They only pay you because they'd have a federal issue quicker than they'd shake their fists at. You're imagining things if you don't think they'd pay you as little as they could [editline]4th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=spiritlol;50070219]If that were the case then they wouldn't [i]need[/i] workers. There is a symbiotic relationship between worker and employer, it may be estranged in this age but it is still present.[/QUOTE] And when I said that earlier it was largely ignored, yes it's symbiotic but in the current day it's incredibly exploitative and we're totally okay with that when we shouldn't be.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50070220]If an employer is paying you basically nothing and you willingly continue to work for them, then you must not have much value to add.[/QUOTE] this is ignorant.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50070228]That's pretty much how it works dude. They only pay you because they'd have a federal issue quicker than they'd shake their fists at. You're imagining things if you don't think they'd pay you as little as they could[/QUOTE] The large majority of people make more than minimum wage. So, no, that isn't how it works. [editline]4th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Nautsabes;50070248]this is ignorant.[/QUOTE] Really? Why didn't he just leave and go somewhere else? I assume it's because he there wasn't anywhere willing to offer him more.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50070306]The large majority of people make more than minimum wage. So, no, that isn't how it works. [editline]4th April 2016[/editline] Really? Why didn't he just leave and go somewhere else? I assume it's because he there wasn't anywhere willing to offer him more.[/QUOTE] not everybody can just up and leave a job to find a new one. sometimes life circumstances keep people in jobs they otherwise wouldnt work. for example, when someone has kids, they have to be kept in mind before just abandoning ship and going out ot look for another job because sometimes shit doesnt work out. you seem to be arguing from the viewpoint of a single person with a disposable income and no other responisbilities e: not to mention the fact too that its entirely within the realm of possibility to bust your ass at the job and be good at it and still get shit compensation for it. ive been in the position. i know other people that have been in the position. ive worked with people that were in the poisition. its a thing that happens.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;50070427]not everybody can just up and leave a job to find a new one. sometimes life circumstances keep people in jobs they otherwise wouldnt work. for example, when someone has kids, they have to be kept in mind before just abandoning ship and going out ot look for another job because sometimes shit doesnt work out. you seem to be arguing from the viewpoint of a single person with a disposable income and no other responisbilities e: not to mention the fact too that its entirely within the realm of possibility to bust your ass at the job and be good at it and still get shit compensation for it. ive been in the position. i know other people that have been in the position. ive worked with people that were in the poisition. its a thing that happens.[/QUOTE] If you have a kid, you probably shouldn't be working at a place that pays that shitty in the first place. That's just my opinion. EDIT: I believe before even having a kid you should already have a job that has proven to be stable and good paying.
[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;50070741]If you have a kid, you probably shouldn't be working at a place that pays that shitty in the first place. That's just my opinion. EDIT: I believe before even having a kid you should already have a job that has proven to be stable and good paying.[/QUOTE] kids arent the only responsibility someone could have, you know, it was just the first example to jump to mind. besides, like i said in the quoted post, sometimes, shit happens.
"Australian broadcaster ABC, quoting James Henry of the Tax Justice Network, alleges that there is an estimated 21-32 trillion dollars in private wealth hidden in offshore tax havens, accounting for roughly 50% of global trade." Taken from the reddit livestream for the Panama Papers.
[QUOTE=Prez;50071696]"Australian broadcaster ABC, quoting James Henry of the Tax Justice Network, alleges that there is an estimated 21-32 trillion dollars in private wealth hidden in offshore tax havens, accounting for roughly 50% of global trade." Taken from the reddit livestream for the Panama Papers.[/QUOTE] That..... that is a lot.... a fucking lot if I dare say so.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;50070427]not everybody can just up and leave a job to find a new one. sometimes life circumstances keep people in jobs they otherwise wouldnt work. for example, when someone has kids, they have to be kept in mind before just abandoning ship and going out ot look for another job because sometimes shit doesnt work out. you seem to be arguing from the viewpoint of a single person with a disposable income and no other responisbilities e: not to mention the fact too that its entirely within the realm of possibility to bust your ass at the job and be good at it and still get shit compensation for it. ive been in the position. i know other people that have been in the position. ive worked with people that were in the poisition. its a thing that happens.[/QUOTE] The guy said he wasn't being paid anything. There's no "life circumstance" where staying at a job that isn't paying you is better than trying to get another job. The fact that he didn't leave for another job tells me that he's either not honestly presenting the situation or he has some inherent issue with getting another job (like having a bad criminal record). Hell, he could go around mowing lawns and make more than nothing.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;50070427]not everybody can just up and leave a job to find a new one. sometimes life circumstances keep people in jobs they otherwise wouldnt work. for example, when someone has kids, they have to be kept in mind before just abandoning ship and going out ot look for another job because sometimes shit doesnt work out. you seem to be arguing from the viewpoint of a single person with a disposable income and no other responisbilities e: not to mention the fact too that its entirely within the realm of possibility to bust your ass at the job and be good at it and still get shit compensation for it. ive been in the position. i know other people that have been in the position. ive worked with people that were in the poisition. its a thing that happens.[/QUOTE] Transitioning careers is also very very hard, my dad finally managed to do retraining and is happily self employed but damn was he stressed for the 8 months it took for him to do it. And that was with someone else to support him after unemployment ran out, being single you can easily get trapped in dead end jobs and not have the time to retrain
21 to 32 trillion. Wow.
Why do rich people refuse to pay money to their own country and assist it in providing services to themselves and everybody else as well? Are they just that greedy and unwilling to part with their money?
if i was rich.... maybe money would change me, but if i were rich right now i'd have no problems paying my taxes... like they're the fuckin reason the country exists, stop making it worse for them ya cunt
Dont forget guys, there are a LOT of rich people paying what they need to pay. And i think they are in majority. (doesnt change that fact that not paying sucks monkey balls, but my point i guess is that not all rich people are greedy bitches)
[QUOTE=Nitro836;50072354]Why do rich people refuse to pay money to their own country and assist it in providing services to themselves and everybody else as well? Are they just that greedy and unwilling to part with their money?[/QUOTE] Yes. And I don't know why. Most of these guys won't spend even half of their money in their life time but they've got some weird obsession with hoarding money.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;50068926]The boss owns the company. The boss pays the workers for their time and labor, they're entitled to nothing else. The employer made the risk and investment, not the employees. If they have a problem with that, they can leave.[/QUOTE] Arguably, rather than making the risk, it's imposed on them. If the company flops or hits rough times, then it's going to affect the workers just as much, if not more than the boss. The only difference is they have less say in what risks are taken. Besides that, the bosses already made more money than workers back in 1970 when the wages started to fall off. Far, far more. But the wage gap has just been continuously increasing since then, and it still is. If productivity doubles, what [i]should[/i] happen is that [i]everyone's[/i] wages double, on top of accounting for inflation. Instead, the workers' salaries are only increasing to account for inflation, while the bosses more than double their wages. It's an absolutely ridiculous situation which should not be happening.
[QUOTE=Lazore;50072405]Dont forget guys, there are a LOT of rich people paying what they need to pay. And i think they are in majority. (doesnt change that fact that not paying sucks monkey balls, but my point i guess is that not all rich people are greedy bitches)[/QUOTE] i honestly agree with this, i feel we might be being too narcissistic
LMAO if you think the CIA told mods to take down this random guys crazy conspiracy post :v: It probably started as a little joke because he wanted to ban him for being a conspiracy nut but thought of a clever title. everybody jumped on it and they all went "eh why not, let's have some fun with em freaking out"
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50072937]LMAO if you think the CIA told mods to take down this random guys crazy conspiracy post :v: It probably started as a little joke because he wanted to ban him for being a conspiracy nut but thought of a clever title. everybody jumped on it and they all went "eh why not, let's have some fun with em freaking out"[/QUOTE] That's what they want you to think.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;50072946]That's what they want you to think.[/QUOTE] the CIA just called and told me to ban you
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50072958]sensitive information[/QUOTE] Dude snip that or you'll get Garry in trouble
[QUOTE=Nitro836;50072354]Why do rich people refuse to pay money to their own country and assist it in providing services to themselves and everybody else as well? Are they just that greedy and unwilling to part with their money?[/QUOTE] Maybe they see the greedy government as the bad guys, trying to take their hard earned money. There was some monopoly experiment. People who started with more money/who had a huge advantage ie an pick when they go to go, buy things half price etc, actually feel like they earned their success and felt like they deserved to win. People who are born into wealth, whos parents give them 200m for example, will think they earned their wealth. Some might think they're being clever "Look at what I can do coz I'm so clever" Some companies might even flip it round. It would be immoral to pay taxes because it's taking money away from their investors/peers/employer/employee/friends. The system obfuscates morality and incentivises cheating and dishonesty. Paying back your debts to your investors takes precedent over society/looking after people.
Icelandic PM has just called for an election [editline]5th April 2016[/editline] And the Icelandic president has refused the PM's request! What's going on?
Ah the president is apparently consulting other parties, looks like an election will probably go ahead
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