Huge leak reveals how the world's rich and powerful hide their money and dodge sanctions/taxes
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50063219]major social unrest happens all the time, i don't see why we should be hoping for bad shit to happen on the assumption that good will automatically follow as a consequence
if society really went through massive turmoil because of climate change and resource depletion, that ultimately ended with the mass-murder of millions of rich and powerful people, then we'd be more likely to see the collapse of society than the rise of an equitable and just society[/QUOTE]
I love how in your mind, the threat of climate change having real world consequences to you is a laughable joke unlikely to happen and that resource depletion won't happen either.
I don't understand how you can honestly not see things are heading in a bad direction if we don't course correct soon.
[editline]3rd April 2016[/editline]
Appeals to history don't really work that great in a world that would be, historically unrecognizable thanks to the efforts of the internet, media, and overall effects of globalization.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50063232]I love how in your mind, the threat of climate change having real world consequences to you is a laughable joke unlikely to happen and that resource depletion won't happen either.[/QUOTE]
i have literally no idea how you came to that conclusion
like it's the exact opposite of what i said
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50063256]i have literally no idea how you came to that conclusion
like it's the exact opposite of what i said[/QUOTE]
Not sure either now that I read back through it
I just get from your tone that you don't see it as a real problem
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50063285]Not sure either now that I read back through it
I just get from your tone that you don't see it as a real problem[/QUOTE]
we've got lots of problems (from reading biology and economics i have deduced that no matter what we do we're fucked in the long run ultimately), but i try to have some sisu about it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50063219]major social unrest happens all the time, i don't see why we should be hoping for bad shit to happen on the assumption that good will automatically follow as a consequence
if society really went through massive turmoil because of climate change and resource depletion, that ultimately ended with the mass-murder of millions of rich and powerful people, then we'd be more likely to see the collapse of society than the rise of an equitable and just society[/QUOTE]
it isn't good, but it is still very likely to happen. we haven't seen famines the like we will see due to not adapting quick enough to the changing climate. i don't think it will end with a french revolution style execution of the rich, but we are going to see a lot more wars over arable land and fresh water, and food riots will become the norm. not to mention the mass emigration and numbers of refugees from these wars and cities being flooded by the rising seas. i also am guessing we're going to see terribly large earthquakes along the pacific rim since several are overdue, maybe even yellowstone erupting and sending shittons of ash into the atmosphere which would facefuck us with something completely unexpected and could wipe out billions of people.
a lot of bad shit is in our future
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50063313]we've got lots of problems (from reading biology and economics i have deduced that no matter what we do we're fucked in the long run ultimately), but i try to have some sisu about it.[/QUOTE]
It's all well and good to face tragedy with bravery but that's not really good enough in the real world. Bravery and stalwart/stoic apathy towards an oncoming storm isn't something admirable.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50063318]it isn't good, but it is still very likely to happen. we haven't seen famines the like we will see due to not adapting quick enough to the changing climate. i don't think it will end with a french revolution style execution of the rich, but we are going to see a lot more wars over arable land and fresh water, and food riots will become the norm. not to mention the mass emigration and numbers of refugees from these wars and cities being flooded by the rising seas. i also am guessing we're going to see terribly large earthquakes along the pacific rim since several are overdue, maybe even yellowstone erupting and sending shittons of ash into the atmosphere which would facefuck us with something completely unexpected and could wipe out billions of people.
a lot of bad shit is in our future[/QUOTE]
well that's not very good now
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50063321]It's all well and good to face tragedy with bravery but that's not really good enough in the real world. Bravery and stalwart/stoic apathy towards an oncoming storm isn't something admirable.[/QUOTE]
sisu means to have determination and to not give up in the face of a challenge, no matter how insurmountable it may be. it sounds a little silly if one believes that imminent collapse of civilization (or the extinction of the human species) is upon us, but i think it's a much better idea than to give up. what's the alternative to it?
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50063318]it isn't good, but it is still very likely to happen. we haven't seen famines the like we will see due to not adapting quick enough to the changing climate. i don't think it will end with a french revolution style execution of the rich, but we are going to see a lot more wars over arable land and fresh water, and food riots will become the norm. not to mention the mass emigration and numbers of refugees from these wars and cities being flooded by the rising seas. i also am guessing we're going to see terribly large earthquakes along the pacific rim since several are overdue, maybe even yellowstone erupting and sending shittons of ash into the atmosphere which would facefuck us with something completely unexpected and could wipe out billions of people.
a lot of bad shit is in our future[/QUOTE]
And, in response to all these problems, a global government will be pushed for which will likely result in even more casualties.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50063335]well that's not very good now
sisu means to have determination and to not give up in the face of a challenge, no matter how insurmountable it may be. it sounds a little silly if one believes that imminent collapse of civilization (or the extinction of the human species) is upon us, but i think it's a much better idea than to give up. what's the alternative to it?[/QUOTE]
Give a shit about the world you're in now and work towards a solution
Die
Or, Die later when things are shit and your bravery and determination ran out with the last bit of food and water you had
I don't know, it's a shit road we all have to hoe but seeing someone just resigned to walking into the "end" with just "determination" isn't really a solution? It's just accepting it.
Jesus Christ people
We're talking about only ONE goddamn company
There are thousands more out there
Any guy you're thinking about who's got millions and is in politics or lobbying will quite likely have his dosh stashed there
[QUOTE=Crazy Knife;50061919]Absolutely not. The US companies hide tons of money offshore. They lobby agencies like the IRS to write more favorable agency rules and find loopholes in order to store stuff like 2.1 trillion perfectly legally: [URL]http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/06/us-companies-holding-21-trillion-offshore-profits.html[/URL]
Then there's trillions held illegally by US companies using semi-legal and illegal methods such as offshore transfer pricing or incorporating in foreign jurisdictions or taking advantage of not having to report various income in various countries.
It is kind of suspicious how BBC didn't mention anything about US offshore tax dodges.
[editline]3rd April 2016[/editline]
Comment nailed it perfectly.[/QUOTE]
Because most of the them are legal in the US. This is one of the things Sanders is pissed about.
[QUOTE=amorax;50061319]That or the other, more obvious conclusion which is that this is state-sponsored propaganda intended to further demonise the enemies of western governments.[/QUOTE]
Anyone with a brain knows that this stuff goes on all the time with corporations in the US as well.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50063347]Give a shit about the world you're in now and work towards a solution[/QUOTE]
well yeah that's what i'm on about. we've got problems and we might as well try fixing them and to keep on going until the very end. the polish have the saying "poland is not yet lost" (eszcze Polska nie zginęła). while we have many problems ahead of us, and upon us, i like to think that humanity is not yet lost. we should do what we can, and keep on going to the very end.
[quote]die[/quote]
this here, this is not the alternative i like
i'm not saying give up, quite the opposite. i think that by laying out all the shit we've got coming towards us without euphemisms and individually preparing for it while heavily pushing governments to prepare as well is the best chance we got to not fall back as far as if we were unprepared. society very likely may crumble, but it has crumbled before and we've bounced back. its all about how many pieces we can hang on to through it.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50063442]i'm not saying give up, quite the opposite. i think that by laying out all the shit we've got coming towards us without euphemisms and individually preparing for it while heavily pushing governments to prepare as well is the best chance we got to not fall back as far as if we were unprepared. society very likely may crumble, but it has crumbled before and we've bounced back. its all about how many pieces we can hang on to through it.[/QUOTE]
This. We might not live to see that day, but we sure as hell need to start the preperation.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50063378]well yeah that's what i'm on about. we've got problems and we might as well try fixing them and to keep on going until the very end. the polish have the saying "poland is not yet lost" (eszcze Polska nie zginęła). while we have many problems ahead of us, and upon us, i like to think that humanity is not yet lost. we should do what we can, and keep on going to the very end.
this here, this is not the alternative i like[/QUOTE]
I don't like it either, but I've also been without food of any sort for a week before(long story) and I know what starvation feels like. I just doubt the strength of your sisu in the face of that feeling over your body.
I'd rather we deal with these problems first. We don't seem to be doing so even remotely.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50063487]I don't like it either, but I've also been without food of any sort for a week before(long story) and I know what starvation feels like. I just doubt the strength of your sisu in the face of that feeling over your body.
I'd rather we deal with these problems first. We don't seem to be doing so even remotely.[/QUOTE]
well the point is to keep on going, even if the odds seem bad. try fixing the problems, and keep on going
i mean if this was the 1970s i imagine you'd be saying "it's impossible to prevent the destruction of the ozone layer"
it's stabilized and started to recover now, so i imagine that if we can work together on that, it might just be possible to tackle the problems facing us now
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50063531]well the point is to keep on going, even if the odds seem bad. try fixing the problems, and keep on going
i mean if this was the 1970s i imagine you'd be saying "it's impossible to prevent the destruction of the ozone layer"
it's stabilized and started to recover now, so i imagine that if we can work together on that, it might just be possible to tackle the problems facing us now[/QUOTE]
When no one in the climatology field really thinks this, I'm slightly doubtful of it.
I say we keep trying to fix our problems. I'm just saying billions will die if we don't and to say "just keep going" in response to that like it helps fix the problems then is wrong IMO. We either solve the problems or we face the very serious and deadly consequences and see how our bravery and determination holds up in a really terrible world. I don't think it'll fair well for most of us, maybe you're all much stronger than me, but I find that hard to believe based on what I've overcome in my past, so I kind of thinking you're underestimating the severity of the problems that will face you if these issues aren't fixed on the small chance they can be.
[editline]3rd April 2016[/editline]
I know every generation says this, but we are truly facing problems like no other. I know this comes around every few years and it's never valid because we've probably faced worse. But you, and I, will never have faced anything like the changes that are very likely to occur and neither has any person living or dead within a few hundred years.
The ozone may be recovering and these things may be improving, but you can't tell me the conditions for carbon in our atmosphere are, you can't tell me our current trends on ice break up are good, you can't tell me that sea life is recovering because it's worse than ever. You can't tell me oil use is going to decline globally in a meaningful way by the end of this decade just simply due to population increases in the two largest markets in the world, India and China.
I mean fuck I wish I could just be optimistic and say "we'll persevere" like that's comforting. Yes, we may very well persevere, but we will face trials and horrors that are so much more daunting than your confidence lets on and I wonder if I'm just the idiot for being concerned about it and dreading it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50063558]When no one in the climatology field really thinks this, I'm slightly doubtful of it.
I say we keep trying to fix our problems. I'm just saying billions will die if we don't and to say "just keep going" in response to that like it helps fix the problems then is wrong IMO. We either solve the problems or we face the very serious and deadly consequences and see how our bravery and determination holds up in a really terrible world. I don't think it'll fair well for most of us, maybe you're all much stronger than me, but I find that hard to believe based on what I've overcome in my past, so I kind of thinking you're underestimating the severity of the problems that will face you if these issues aren't fixed on the small chance they can be.
[editline]3rd April 2016[/editline]
I know every generation says this, but we are truly facing problems like no other. I know this comes around every few years and it's never valid because we've probably faced worse. But you, and I, will never have faced anything like the changes that are very likely to occur and neither has any person living or dead within a few hundred years.
The ozone may be recovering and these things may be improving, but you can't tell me the conditions for carbon in our atmosphere are, you can't tell me our current trends on ice break up are good, you can't tell me that sea life is recovering because it's worse than ever. You can't tell me oil use is going to decline globally in a meaningful way by the end of this decade just simply due to population increases in the two largest markets in the world, India and China.
I mean fuck I wish I could just be optimistic and say "we'll persevere" like that's comforting. Yes, we may very well persevere, but we will face trials and horrors that are so much more daunting than your confidence lets on and I wonder if I'm just the idiot for being concerned about it and dreading it.[/QUOTE]
30 years ago you'd be lying in bed at night worried sick about the soviets nuking us - the nuclear holocaust of all life was a very real and scary possibility
nearly a century ago you would be listening to reports on the unstoppable spread of the spanish flu, watching as it scythed down even healthy people and feeling scared that it was the end
it's not that i'm underestimating the severity of the problems (far from it), but that we shouldn't think it's too late to make any positive or meaningful change. the world is broken and it's always going to be no matter what we can do, but that doesn't mean we can't live. i mean if we decided just to give up now, then that wouldn't make for a good story for the history books
like yeah i imagine your attitude is something along the lines of "optimism is cowardice" but what are you gonna do
I don't lie in bed worrying about these things because I know how pointless worrying about them is.
That's not my argument really.
I've been repeating this whole time that we should attempt to fix it first, I've never said "Dying is the preferable option" and I would like it if you wouldn't basically imply that it is.
I don't think you understand what I feel like i'm communicating here.
You imagine wrong. I want us to pull through and we should try until the bitter end, but if billions of people are dying around the world and we're relying solely on each other in small local communities to survive, that's not a good world, and there won't be history books written about it for a time to come, if that even happens. I would rather we avoid that and see it for what it is.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;50061580]Oh yes, Jackie Chan is one of the biggest threats to the West.[/QUOTE]
Wait what? I didn't see Jackie Chan mentioned anywhere.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;50062779]Everybody's goddamn in it, why wouldn't they be?
It's not just in it for cash, but this shit runs so deep it's flat-out criminal and if you admit that you're a filthy criminal or you know about this, you're gonna be in a world of pain, but not as much as the ones you know and love.
This is it, this is proof that no body of authority, no government, nothing really matters. It's all hooked with small and big lures, all wriggling together in this cesspool of some weird circle of couple of thousand or maybe even less, against the mass of growing billions.
The whole concept and idea of say, Medieval Nobility, privileged few living off the tireless work of many, never disappeared, it just changed from robes, to powdered wigs and then to ties and suits.
It's not going to die. It's not just a system, it's tradition and culture now, it's part of history, a lineage, literally passed down from one generation to another. The silver spoon is holding pretty fine after all these years. But silver can easily, easily bend and break.
Still, who's gonna do anything? We all know it's better to live as sheep, occasionally bleating once in a while to feel better. No one wants to use their horns for anything. I'm no better too.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=matt000024;50063849]Wait what? I didn't see Jackie Chan mentioned anywhere.[/QUOTE]
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he's joking
People are STILL going to deny that the economy is fucked and the poor are getting fucked over
The Guardian just confirmed how much better British investigative journalism is than American.
Lots and lots of people are complaining that major news networks aren't reporting this. I wonder if they're putting it off until tomorrow's news or if they're not caring because none of the people in the documents are American.
American outlets won't give as much of a shit because American people 'are just temporarily embarrassed millionaires'. People who feel as if they could later take advantage of these laws won't care they're being flouted.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50064161]Lots and lots of people are complaining that major news networks aren't reporting this. I wonder if they're putting it off until tomorrow's news or if they're not caring because none of the people in the documents are American.[/QUOTE]
News networks will never report this.
[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;50064190]News networks will never report this.[/QUOTE]
are you serious, of course they would... because of no American Person indicated.
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