Huge leak reveals how the world's rich and powerful hide their money and dodge sanctions/taxes
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So... a huge number of UK Companies been exposed.
Someone said pages earlier that if US news talks about it, it'll be about Putin.
The CNN article is completely focused on Russia and Putin, so kuddos to that person calling it correctly.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50066534]The CNN article is completely focused on Russia and Putin, so kuddos to that person calling it correctly.[/QUOTE]
Man I didn't know CNN was so anti Russia.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50062283]"The elites cheat the system and control the laws for their own benefit!" - Conspiracy Theorist 2005
"Yeah bullshit, you're a crackpot." - Everyone else[/QUOTE]
They were still crackpots then because they had no basis or proof for their theories to present, even if they just so happen to be right.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50066464]So... a huge number of UK Companies been exposed.[/QUOTE]
Lets not forget they've been exposed as [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-35960856"]laundering the proceeds of the Brink's Mat robbery in the 1980s[/URL]. These folks are in huge huge shit from that alone.
[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;50066558]Man I didn't know CNN was so anti Russia.[/QUOTE]
Probably because Russia is so anti-US. Which mostly is due to the US being so anti-Russia. Rinse & repeat.
We still have that
[QUOTE]Editor of Süddeutsche Zeitung responded to the lack of U.S. individuals in the documents, saying "Just wait for what is coming next"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=karimatrix;50066299]Imagine this hitting hard on Clinton, now THAT trully would be righteous act and mark of true journalistic effort
Also, at ukraine somebody vows to impeach Poroshenko over this, watch it not happening, lol[/QUOTE]
Might wanna look to your own president first
Watch and be amazed how the world media downplays this and everybody pretends it didn't happen!
[QUOTE=Mattk50;50066143]When I saw there was nobody from the US in the leak i was thinking it was something like this. Can't wait to see who pops up on the list. As improbable as it is, i would find it very funny if bernie sanders has a billion dollars in an offshore account he's been secretly funneling himself donation money with.[/QUOTE]
very funny but also soul-crushing
sums up this leak in general really
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50066697]We still have that[/QUOTE]
I still don't think they'll show everything that's there.
[QUOTE=shrinkme;50066741]I still don't think they'll show everything that's there.[/QUOTE]
Its based on agreements of all of the media groups, so if one starts refusing to report, it will probably be dumped in Wikileaks laps. They've built the system in such a way that theres no influence that can reach that many companies across those many countries in time before stuff gets reported.
Also, was posted, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMT2zZcvIi8[/URL] Live stream to the protests in Iceland due to start in 40 minutes.
Edit: Also Wikileaks did some vote on Twitter on whether to release, and now they've started posting pdf files on the leak. So not sure if they've been given the leak, or they are copy/pasting from news releases etc.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50066464]So... a huge number of UK Companies been exposed.[/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=Richy19;50065952]Iceland has a president AND a prime minister? :S[/QUOTE]
Germany too, but our prime minister is called "chancellor" and is usually far more important than the president.
The president doesn't do much in domestic day-to-day politics, but has a lot of crisis management responsibilities.
Neither is elected directly here.
You guys have not fucking been here long enough if you think for less than a second that the mods aren't fucking with you jesus christ
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50066568]They were still crackpots then because they had no basis or proof for their theories to present, even if they just so happen to be right.[/QUOTE]
Being kind of sceptical about human side of politics is hardly being a crackpots. I mean, this report didn't surprise me in any way. It's incredibly hard for me to believe that people who have so much power to abuse the laws aren't abusing those laws for their personal gain. And considering that modern politics is more often than not an exercise in bullshit, those who end up in power are rarely good people.
Maybe it makes me a crackpot idk
[QUOTE=Perrine;50067116]
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So basically we'll see any sort of US related stuff in the next couple of days, probably not a lot, who knows.
Edit: Current protest in Iceland.
[IMG]http://puu.sh/o5Y8I/584b2dd687.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;50061343]Right, right, death to the West and all that.
Say, what country are you [I]actually[/I] from, sport?[/QUOTE]
The center.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50067151]So basically we'll see any sort of US related stuff in the next couple of days, probably not a lot, who knows.
Edit: Current protest in Iceland.
[IMG]http://puu.sh/o5Y8I/584b2dd687.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Woah, that must be like half the population :v:
[QUOTE=maeZtro;50067842]Woah, that must be like half the population :v:[/QUOTE]
I could count about a thousand as I walked past the huge group, there are probably even more. Had problems getting to a bus due to how dense it is.
I seriously think the Prime Minister should've expected this much of a backlash after that interview.
[QUOTE=elowin;50065466][img]http://ftalphaville.ft.com/files/2013/11/Wages-vs-productivity.png[/img]
Literally all you need to know to come to this conclusion.[/QUOTE]
Wait, how do you measure productivity of each worker?
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50067151]So basically we'll see any sort of US related stuff in the next couple of days, probably not a lot, who knows.
Edit: Current protest in Iceland.
[IMG]http://puu.sh/o5Y8I/584b2dd687.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Man if only US has protest as big as that one.
[QUOTE=elowin;50065466][img]http://ftalphaville.ft.com/files/2013/11/Wages-vs-productivity.png[/img]
Literally all you need to know to come to this conclusion.[/QUOTE]
this graph disguises the fact that companies contribute towards workers in methods other than just the hourly wage
i'm pretty sure that if america had a single payer healthcare system instead of the bloated monstrosity it has now, wages would have grown much more rapidly instead of the monies being poured into insurance premiums
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50068137]I guess it is total product / total manpower spent on product.[/QUOTE]
That seems a little too simple to me. If you owned a company and got a machine that doubled your production rate, you'd be pretty miffed if people then started complaining that they should get double pay.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50068131]this graph disguises the fact that companies contribute towards workers in methods other than just the hourly wage
i'm pretty sure that if america had a single payer healthcare system instead of the bloated monstrosity it has now, wages would have grown much more rapidly instead of the monies being poured into insurance premiums[/QUOTE]
This is assuming that most companies offer benefits like healthcare
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50068168]This is assuming that most companies offer benefits like healthcare[/QUOTE]
And that it even is worthy of even being considered a alternative to free healthcare, and not just some shitty half-assed attempt just so they can pat their own shoulders and/or ego.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50064161]Lots and lots of people are complaining that major news networks aren't reporting this. I wonder if they're putting it off until tomorrow's news or if they're not caring because none of the people in the documents are American.[/QUOTE]
I'm probably late, but CNN did several reports on this as they were saving it for their news program.
[url]http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/04/news/panama-papers-offshore-accounts-investigation/[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/04/world/panama-papers-explainer/[/url]
[QUOTE=Van-man;50068183]And that it even is worthy of even being considered a alternative to free healthcare, and not just some shitty half-assed attempt just so they can pat their own shoulders and/or ego.[/QUOTE]
Right; especially since the employee is still left to cover part of the costs as well. My mom pays $700/month for her healthcare. Her employer pays $1700/month for their part, which is absolutely mind boggling to me, who can't even imagine affording food after $1600/month rent
[QUOTE=Mmrnmhrm;50068162]That seems a little too simple to me. If you owned a company and got a machine that doubled your production rate, you'd be pretty miffed if people then started complaining that they should get double pay.[/QUOTE]
That is a good point, we started to see some really big improvements in machines and computers around the time when the productivity sky rockets and the wage stays roughly the same.
[QUOTE=Bonde;50065749]I don't think you have any idea about what you are wishing for. When people get desperate, things get [I]really[/I] bad. The Russian revolution initially toppled the Czar and put a democracy together, but the vast amount of Russian citizens were too angry and felt that things were changing too slowly. This resulted in another revolution briefly thereafter, with a civil war following just afterwards. Millions died to political purges, disease and starvation, because the entirety of the "old" system was destroyed with nothing to replace it. Yes, the former Russian elite was systematically destroyed, but so was hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocent people too. The result of all this carnage was that Josef Stalin could fight his way to the top. And then people ended up even more afraid and oppressed than they already were under the Czar.[/QUOTE]
It's not the events themselves that I'm wishing for so much as hoping that something good will come out of them. Like others have said, it seems to be inevitable at this point that major civil unrest is coming up in the future for the world. The question that remains them is what will come of it? Will we be able to organize and actually build something better out of the chaos and destruction, or is it going to turn completely to shit and end up like it was in Russia after the fall of the Romanov Dynasty and later like it was under the Soviet Union (to address your example)? Personally, I would prefer the former course of events over the latter. Crises can either be really good things in the long run, or they can be really shitty things. They can either force people to work together beneficially, or they can make everybody super competitive and go at each others' throats like wild animals.
We need to start thinking about this more and more though. That's the bottom line. That way, if/when the old system does go, we don't end up helpless in a power vacuum because we didn't have something planned out beforehand to replace it. Are we up to the task? I don't know. But for our sake, we'd better be. We need to be. In the end, it's a matter of whatever happens, happens. The uncertainty is the worst part.
[editline]4th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=NeoAznMan;50068122]Man if only US has protest as big as that one.[/QUOTE]
Isn't Occupy starting up again? I doubt anything would come of it for them, but they might give it a shot at least.
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