Police arrest a man for filming them during a raid, and then shoot his dog three times. Man official
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[QUOTE=Warriorx4;41274287]I don't understand, why do you guys care about dogs so much?[/QUOTE]
because they arent people
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[QUOTE=angelangel;41273928]What kind of use of force do they get taught there?
I go on the beat intermittently and I can't imagine a situation with an aggressive dog where I would have to reach for my gun.[/QUOTE]
Well most people aren't able to wrestle a dog into submission, let alone doing so without any injury. As much as people like to believe, cops aren't experts in every form of melee combat.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;41272647]have you tried to take down a 100+ lbs rottweiler before?[/QUOTE]
I have. It's actually really easy. You just need to get on their backs. Generally a good idea to do this with one person helping.
I wrote a paper on this.
And they expect this man to be a normal citizen after he gets out of being detained. This is why US prisons dont work because we abuse our citizens based on their status of being a criminal. I hate the US in the fact it forgets prison, and justice, are not meant to be dealt in punishment but to be a learning experience to make the person better.
This video made me really sad and disrespect the established justice even more.
Words escape me.
I'm very angry about seeing that.
I want to shit on that cops face.
For a week.
There.. got it out of my system. Sensational headline trap got me.
Has to be more than just a "don't film the cops" thing because of the other people standing around filming the cops.
But they were clearly aware the man had a dog and should have made sure it was secure. I mean, it even looks like one of those aggressive breeds and he had been walking/hanging around the area for quite a while, so. Hindsight.
They didn't make any friends today. Shoot a man's dog and he will be your enemy for life. But they are the authority, so why should they care?
Don't piss off a cop or he will kill your friend.
I hope he gets herpes.
He drove up in something he had no business in
got way too close to the scene in which becomes a potential hazard
the dog was going to bite the officer which it almost did.
[QUOTE=tirpider;41274747]Words escape me.
I'm very angry about seeing that.
I want to shit on that cops face.
For a week.
There.. got it out of my system. Sensational headline trap got me.
Has to be more than just a "don't film the cops" thing because of the other people standing around filming the cops.
But they were clearly aware the man had a dog and should have made sure it was secure. I mean, it even looks like one of those aggressive breeds and he had been walking/hanging around the area for quite a while, so. Hindsight.
They didn't make any friends today. Shoot a man's dog and he will be your enemy for life. But they are the authority, so why should they care?
Don't piss off a cop or he will kill your friend.
I hope he gets herpes.[/QUOTE]
sensationalism at its finest.
[QUOTE=Whitefox08;41274783]He drove up in something he had no business in
got way too close to the scene in which becomes a potential hazard
the dog was going to bite the officer which it almost did.[/QUOTE]
the guy was obviously at a safe distance and was obviously not causing any harm. the cops were just acting like thugs, which isn't a surprise since that's pretty much what all of them are anyways.
do i have the right to kill someones dog if it goes for me? i'm sick of police having more rights than normal people, then when they fuck up everyone going WELL SHIT THEY'RE NOT PERFECT, if you have a gun and you're gonna use it you better be perfect or damn near to it, if that's not possible don't be a cop. it's not like it should just be a 'job' that people have it should be a life of commitment and service to the PEOPLE not to yourself or to other cops but to the people you're meant to PROTECT and SERVE. with that said i can understand shooting the dog because frankly if someones dog attacked me and they didn't (although in this case he COULDN'T) restrain it i'd do whatever i'd have to do to protect myself.
[QUOTE=shian;41274018]You know, what puzzles me is why so many people just like to film cops doing shit. I know alot of people get arrested or some shit for doing so, but why do so many people just like to film them? Whether its a crime scene or not. Why can't you just stand there and watch?[/QUOTE]
Most people do it because it is "cool footage" to put up on YouTube, Facebook, World Star, etc. Or to show to friends and family. You know. Check out the crazy shit I saw Thursday!
Then you have others who do it merely as ambulance chasers, sidewalk lawyers and shit starters. They WANT the police to react negatively so they can cash in on a law suit to protect "their rights" that they were "innocently" pursuing.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41274812]the guy was obviously at a safe distance and was obviously not causing any harm. the cops were just acting like thugs, which isn't a surprise since that's pretty much what all of them are anyways.[/QUOTE]
Cops were straight G's man. It doesn't matter if he was causing harm he got out in the middle of the street just to get close and record it, Why did he bring out his dog in the first place its almost he knew that this would create conflict, sure he may of just been rubbernecking but he should've stuck with the crowd and rubbernecked from there next to everyone else.
[editline]2nd July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41274859]do i have the right to kill someones dog if it goes for me?.[/QUOTE]
pretty sure it counts under self defence.
[QUOTE=Whitefox08;41274870]Cops were straight G's man. It doesn't matter if he was causing harm he got out in the middle of the street just to get close and record it, Why did he bring out his dog in the first place its almost he knew that this would create conflict, sure he may of just been rubbernecking but he should've stuck with the crowd and rubbernecked from there next to everyone else.[/QUOTE]
asking why is silly, is it a crime for him to bring his dog along? if it's not then why can't he? obviously in hindsight it was stupid because it ended up with the cops killing it, but i mean why the fuck do we always have to live in fear about what things we can do despite their legality whenever cops around? well i guess here's why, because they'll arrest you and kill your dog. but that's fucked
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;41274792]sensationalism at its finest.[/QUOTE]
Seems to fit in with the rest of the reactionary schlock around this thread.
Just making my self at home.
[QUOTE=Whitefox08;41274870]Cops were straight G's man. It doesn't matter if he was causing harm he got out in the middle of the street just to get close and record it, Why did he bring out his dog in the first place its almost he knew that this would create conflict, sure he may of just been rubbernecking but he should've stuck with the crowd and rubbernecked from there next to everyone else.[/quote]
actually he should have been entitled to record without fear of some people with guns slaughtering his dog.
[quote]pretty sure it counts under self defence.[/QUOTE]
not when you are involved in a criminal activity like forcefully detaining someone(aka kidnapping).
Although I'm not sure about law specifics so they might've had a justification.
I guess from a perspective that we saw there was no justification, Unlawful arrest?
Who knows.
[QUOTE=tirpider;41274747]Words escape me.
I'm very angry about seeing that.
I want to shit on that cops face.
For a week.
There.. got it out of my system. Sensational headline trap got me.
Has to be more than just a "don't film the cops" thing because of the other people standing around filming the cops.
But they were clearly aware the man had a dog and should have made sure it was secure. I mean, it even looks like one of those aggressive breeds and he had been walking/hanging around the area for quite a while, so. Hindsight.
They didn't make any friends today. Shoot a man's dog and he will be your enemy for life. But they are the authority, so why should they care?
Don't piss off a cop or he will kill your friend.
I hope he gets herpes.[/QUOTE]
If you think that the cops give a shit about whether THEY should have made sure it was secure and whether or not they "made any friends today" then add that to the obviously long list of things you dont understand about the police
"It even looks like one of those aggressive breeds" and this affects them how? Its not THEIR dog, THEY don't have to do shit to make sure it's secure because it's on the owner if it gets loose and gets killed, which it did.
Seriously, lol, its like you honestly think that the cops want to be the dude's friend as they detain him. Jesus christ. People who bitch about the police always act like the police exist to be your friend and pat you on the back and have fun with you. No. They exist to enforce the law, don't do stupid shit with them or around them, and keep your dog away from them.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41274934]actually he should have been entitled to record without fear of some people with guns slaughtering his dog.
not when you are involved in a criminal activity like forcefully detaining someone(aka kidnapping).[/QUOTE]
INNOCENT buzzword buzzword SLAUGHTER buzzword GUNS CRIMINAL KIDNAPPING!!!!
He could have recorded just fine, its just that he chose to make a huge scene of it on the scene of a SWAT operation. He got detained, and because he failed to properly restrain his dog, it started acting up and the cop had a legitimate reason to fear for his safety. If you think the cop should have, in a stressful situation, stopped to think "Hey! Maybe it's not trying to kill me! Maybe it's just playing!" Then you're wrong and have no idea what police have to deal with.
There are many dedicated officers who do their job correctly out there, so generalizing a group of people by one man's action would be erroneous. However I just wish this situation had been handled in a more professional way. The way it was handled was simply heartless. I highly doubt this dog was an actual threat to these multiple officers, and considering that the man was non-hostile, and willingly yielded himself to the officers, he proved he would not have fled had they needed to put the dog back in the car (or even let the owner do it himself). The whole thing upsets me.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41274812]the guy was obviously at a safe distance and was obviously not causing any harm. the cops were just acting like thugs, which isn't a surprise since that's pretty much what all of them are anyways.[/QUOTE]
safe distance or not, did you completely miss the second video? he's blatantly playing loud music through his car stereo, he's yelling obscenities, and he's proceeding to dryhump the patrol cars ALL THE WHILE the police are trying to run an operation.
[editline]2nd July 2013[/editline]
also what would you consider a safe distance if the person they were after had a gun?
Irresponsible handling of the dog if you ask me. Maybe shooting it was overkill, but if the dog was properly restrained it would never have been an issue.
The guy who got arrested doesn't seem so bright.
this is during a raid and we don't know the entire story
we don't even know if he was being cuffed to be brought in or to be cuffed to be brought away from the scene because raids can go violent and if he gets shot in the cross fire, and it didn't look like he was leaving.
not that this was an unnessecary killing, because it was(not because the dog wasn't aggressive(it was)) but because they shouldn't have cuffed him like that so aggressively to make him leave provoking the dog in the first place
the fault is on both parties but not on the dog
it might not have even been the polices fault this could have been avoided if the guy just stayed a safer distance away
They could have at least shot it to death, watching the poor thing convulse and twitch was horrifying.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;41275032]safe distance or not, did you completely miss the second video? he's blatantly playing loud music through his car stereo, he's yelling obscenities, and he's proceeding to dryhump the patrol cars ALL THE WHILE the police are trying to run an operation.
[editline]2nd July 2013[/editline]
also what would you consider a safe distance if the person they were after had a gun?[/QUOTE]
were any of those things illegal?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41275075]were any of those things illegal?[/QUOTE]
he's obstructing them
it may not seem like much to be blasting loud music through your windows next to a police operation but if you've ever tried to concentrate on something while being next to something loud it is a unavoidable distraction
you could pay no attention to it, but it wont go away, it's still there and it will affect you no matter how strong your willpower is
especially if you have to tell each other things(which is what police have to do in an operation) and if they can't hear each other clearly it could mess the entire operation up
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41274812]the guy was obviously at a safe distance and was obviously not causing any harm. the cops were just acting like thugs, which isn't a surprise since that's pretty much what all of them are anyways.[/QUOTE]
God I swear to fuck, you really have the most retarded view of reality I have ever seen. You really think that?
Remember guys, yawmwen also believes that society doesn't need government and that the USA is a totalitarian police state
[editline]1st July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41275075]were any of those things illegal?[/QUOTE]
Yes?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41274859]do i have the right to kill someones dog if it goes for me? i'm sick of police having more rights than normal people, then when they fuck up everyone going WELL SHIT THEY'RE NOT PERFECT, if you have a gun and you're gonna use it you better be perfect or damn near to it, if that's not possible don't be a cop.[/QUOTE]
Sure, in a perfect world every cop would have been trained like a Navy SEAL, and been able to wrestle that dog into submission with his bare hands. But this isn't a perfect world, and that just doesn't happen. We just have what amounts to above average (for the most part) people handing dangerous situations, most of the time the only thing that really puts them above average is being trained to handle things average people are not. Unfortunately training is tedious and expensive, and police departments don't have the budget to have a force of nonlethal combat experts. If they could, and could find enough dedicated and able people (which would be another challenge in itself), then they wouldn't need aids like tasers and batons, and the firearm would only counter other firearms.
In short, I've love to live in a perfect world where every cop knows how to take down an attacker with his hands, without injury to anyone. But that's just not feasible.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41275128]God I swear to fuck, you really have the most retarded view of reality I have ever seen. You really think that?
Remember guys, yawmwen also believes that society doesn't need government and that the USA is a totalitarian police state[/QUOTE]
displaying your own lack of understanding or knowledge of anarchy doesn't discredit yawmwen at all
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;41275115]he's obstructing them
it may not seem like much to be blasting loud music through your windows next to a police operation but if you've ever tried to concentrate on something while being next to something loud it is a unavoidable distraction
you could pay no attention to it, but it wont go away, it's still there and it will affect you no matter how strong your willpower is
especially if you have to tell each other things(which is what police have to do in an operation) and if they can't hear each other clearly it could mess the entire operation up[/QUOTE]
um what video did you watch because neither of them had very loud music.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41275153]Sure, in a perfect world every cop would have been trained like a Navy SEAL, and been able to wrestle that dog into submission with his bare hands. But this isn't a perfect world, and that just doesn't happen. We just have what amounts to above average (for the most part) people handing dangerous situations, most of the time the only thing that really puts them above average is being trained to handle things average people are not. Unfortunately training is tedious and expensive, and police departments don't have the budget to have a force of nonlethal combat experts. If they could, and could find enough dedicated and able people (which would be another challenge in itself), then they wouldn't need aids like tasers and batons, and the firearm would only counter other firearms.[/QUOTE]
above average my ass, i've never met a police officer in my life that finished high school. and i dunno, the world not being perfect does not seem like a reason to accept or defend mediocrity
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41275164]um what video did you watch because neither of them had very loud music.[/QUOTE]
i'm replying to your post which was replying to another post which mentioned loud music and shouting and you asked if they were illegal
which i said they were
don't play stupid
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