• Police arrest a man for filming them during a raid, and then shoot his dog three times. Man official
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[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41275155]displaying your own lack of understanding or knowledge of anarchy doesn't discredit yawmwen at all[/QUOTE] Uh sure it does, his opinions of anarchy are inconsistent with reality, and show that he has a difficult time relating his ideas to reality. Furthermore, he shows an extreme bias against institutional anything, so I don't think his opinions can be taken very seriously since he usually just hates things for the fundamental fact that they even exist.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41275195]Uh sure it does, his opinions of anarchy are inconsistent with reality, and show that he has a difficult time relating his ideas to reality. Furthermore, he shows an extreme bias against institutional anything, so I don't think his opinions can be taken very seriously since he usually just hates things for the fundamental fact that they even exist.[/QUOTE] and right now you're showing your extreme bias towards people that are against institutions so are you just as discredited? all people have bias. and yeah again you don't know anything about anarchy so keep the 'it's inconsistent with reality' thing to yourself
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41275164]um what video did you watch because neither of them had very loud music.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwxaTpJTyI[/media] ??? he rolls up for a good minute and plays loud music while swat is getting in place.
I couldn't finish the video. After the dog jumped out of the window I knew what was going to happen and paused. I get so sad when animals die.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;41275217][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwxaTpJTyI[/media] ??? he rolls up for a good minute and plays loud music while swat is getting in place.[/QUOTE] the noise was easily within legal limits and if they didn't want him rolling up they would have taped off the area.
yea uhhhhhhh taping an area off is for when a crime scene has been established and confirmed and is in the process of being searched through AFTER all possible threats are gone. this is an active and live operation area, do you think they'd take the time to tape off the area while the suspect gets away? why do you think they blocked off the road with a bunch of patrol cars?
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;41275241]yea uhhhhhhh taping an area off is for when a crime scene has been established and confirmed and is in the process of being searched through AFTER all possible threats are gone. this is an active and live operation area, do you think they'd take the time to tape off the area while the suspect gets away? why do you think they blocked off the road with a bunch of patrol cars?[/QUOTE] why didn't they block the road with cop cars then? [editline]2nd July 2013[/editline] they posted up outside the house but they didn't block anywhere else off
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41275207]and right now you're showing your extreme bias towards people that are against institutions so are you just as discredited? all people have bias. and yeah again you don't know anything about anarchy so keep the 'it's inconsistent with reality' thing to yourself[/QUOTE] I do have a bias against people that are irrational as fuck, especially during arguments wherein that is extremely relevant and telling of their logical consistency.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41275195]Uh sure it does, his opinions of anarchy are inconsistent with reality, and show that he has a difficult time relating his ideas to reality. Furthermore, he shows an extreme bias against institutional anything, so I don't think his opinions can be taken very seriously since he usually just hates things for the fundamental fact that they even exist.[/QUOTE] "those anarchists are scary my mommy told me they like to smoke weed and wear all black...the world would be chaos if they had their way!"
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41275263]"those anarchists are scary my mommy told me they like to smoke weed and wear all black...the world would be chaos if they had their way!"[/QUOTE] Wow fucking good argument, accuse your opposition of being an indoctrinated child. What a load of shit.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41271533]The police force attracts so many dog shooting Psychopaths. Every week we have a story where they kill a dog that isn't putting them in any danger.[/QUOTE] [quote]While Rosby is handcuffed, the dog is seen escaping from the vehicle through an open rear window and then approaching the officers while barking. When one officer motions toward the animal, the dog is seen jumping up and toward the officer, at which point four shots were fired, according to Gulden.[/quote] a scary dog that startled me that might fucking rip my throat out! i'd better not take action so people who are unable to read won't call me a pig on internet forums!
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41275269]Wow fucking good argument, accuse your opposition of being an indoctrinated child. What a load of shit.[/QUOTE] your argument against me is literally "this guy doesn't believe government should exist that is SO fucking irrational because the government indoctrinated me to believe government is necessary" which has nothing to do with this thread really at all.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41275229]the noise was easily within legal limits and if they didn't want him rolling up they would have taped off the area.[/QUOTE] it was a raid, taping up takes time and in the time it would require officers to tape it up the suspect may escape through the back(they can do this even if all officers are watching(PD's aren't that large) that they needed to go out of their way to cuff him means he was a large enough distraction to cause an obstruction the fact that he is filming is not the problem either there were people clearing filming on the other side of the street without causing a distraction,
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41275289]your argument against me is literally "this guy doesn't believe government should exist that is SO fucking irrational because the government indoctrinated me to believe government is necessary" which has nothing to do with this thread really at all.[/QUOTE] That is true, but when you bring your anti-government stuff into here, I believe it does become relevant to point out that you never deviate from your ridiculous opinions.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41275320]That is true, but when you bring your anti-government stuff into here, I believe it does become relevant to point out that you never deviate from your ridiculous opinions.[/QUOTE] you're the one that brought it up. and i mean, would they be his opinions if he deviated from them?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41275170]above average my ass, i've never met a police officer in my life that finished high school. and i dunno, the world not being perfect does not seem like a reason to accept or defend mediocrity[/QUOTE] I can't speak for everywhere, but in my area, Police Officers need 2 years of College, even for a part time position in a town of 2600. And the world not being perfect is a problem we can't exactly solve, because not everyone can be an expert. If we held them to standards like that, we'd hardly have any cops at all (both because able and willing people would be difficult to come by, and because the budget wouldn't support very many).
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41275246]why didn't they block the road with cop cars then? [editline]2nd July 2013[/editline] they posted up outside the house but they didn't block anywhere else off[/QUOTE] that would cause a huge amount of traffic unlike blocking off only one road neighborhoods are built like squares so if one road was blocked off you could get around it if your block off 2 roads they would have to go around all the way causing people to cause accidents doing U-turns on small roads if you spread the cars too thin there would be too much space between them for people to know that the roads blocked off and if the cars are parked too far from each other then the time it would take for the officers to run back to the scene would be too long
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;41271368]As much as the police are in the wrong here. The dog did jump at the guy, and there is no way if they know the dog is actually friendly or not. Now to get rated loads of dumbs for "hurdur, animal cruelty, cops randomly mowing down animals."[/QUOTE] Well if they had given the owner time to secure the dog in the first place, nothing would have happened.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41275355]I can't speak for everywhere, but in my area, Police Officers need 2 years of College, even for a part time position in a town of 2600. And the world not being perfect is a problem we can't exactly solve, because not everyone can be an expert. If we held them to standards like that, we'd hardly have any cops at all (both because able and willing people would be difficult to come by, and because the budget wouldn't support very many).[/QUOTE] i'd rather have a small police force of dedicated and intelligent cops than a large one with shitloads of cowboys and power trippers. i think when it comes to positions of power and authority incredibly high standards are a must
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41275229]the noise was easily within legal limits and if they didn't want him rolling up they would have taped off the area.[/QUOTE] If they didn't want him there they would have tried to detain him. Oh wait that's exactly what they did!
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;41275378]Well if they had given the owner time to secure the dog in the first place, nothing would have happened.[/QUOTE] or the guy could not have been a dick and knowingly obstruct and distract them?
[QUOTE=Bazsil;41274996]If you think that the cops give a shit about whether THEY should have made sure it was secure and whether or not they "made any friends today" then add that to the obviously long list of things you dont understand about the police "It even looks like one of those aggressive breeds" and this affects them how? Its not THEIR dog, THEY don't have to do shit to make sure it's secure because it's on the owner if it gets loose and gets killed, which it did. Seriously, lol, its like you honestly think that the cops want to be the dude's friend as they detain him. Jesus christ. People who bitch about the police always act like the police exist to be your friend and pat you on the back and have fun with you. No. They exist to enforce the law, don't do stupid shit with them or around them, and keep your dog away from them. [/QUOTE] You are now appointed master of "inform those bitches of what they need to know". Please show up with your words of wisdom at every school and nursery so no more folks will ever have an opinion about something again. I personally don't give 2 shits about what that officer wanted or felt. If he did his job right he wouldn't have had to shoot a dog. Yeah, I said did his job right. If he was paying attention, which he wasn't. Not till that thing "tried to bite him." (I'm not sold on that yet.) And it being an aggressive breed might be one of their concerns if they were considering arresting the fellow at the end of it's leash, which, HOLY SHIT... THEY ARRESTED HIM! That guy got real pant-shitting concerned when that little hairball jumped up at him, didn't he? They might have mentioned something in cop pre-school about handling folks with dogs, seeing as how everyone has one and they all want to kill you. Or was this the one guy in L.A. with a rottweiler, and this was the one cop who had never seen one or heard that they can be mean little bastards? Sort of a Forest Gump police officer then, isn't he? And I wasn't bitching about police. I was complaining about that cock smoker that shot that dog. I like police officers as much as I like anyone else, but some guys are just boners. If he would have been focusing on being a good officer, then the entire situation would have been handled differently. It's huffed up authoritarian arrogance on the part of crappy officers like this one that are responsible for creating entire neighborhoods of cop hating resentment. And that dog wouldn't have even been loose if they had left the guy to go about his business, which it looked like he was doing. As a side note, guy was an idiot for even hassling around that place to begin with. (rage, blah blah blah... fuck this. No more lovin tonight honey, I have a headache.)
[QUOTE=HkSniper;41274862]Most people do it because it is "cool footage" to put up on YouTube, Facebook, World Star, etc. Or to show to friends and family. You know. Check out the crazy shit I saw Thursday! Then you have others who do it merely as ambulance chasers, sidewalk lawyers and shit starters. They WANT the police to react negatively so they can cash in on a law suit to protect "their rights" that they were "innocently" pursuing.[/QUOTE] I rather like the second group of people you speak of, they ensure these officers are on their best behavior. These sorts of controversies are few and far between, thanks to them. Also you don't shoot a fucking dog for jumping at you, the owner could have easily calmed it down but [b]no[/b] they had to make some bullshit arrest, antagonize the owner and the dog and they ended up killing a dog for protecting it's owner against a bullshit arrest. I hope this guy sues the hell out of these guys.
Not really a bullshit arrest when the guy is pretty much trying to antagonize the officers by blaring music at them and yelling obscenities, he was obstructing justice.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;41275854]Not really a bullshit arrest when the guy is pretty much trying to antagonize the officers by blaring music at them and yelling obscenities, he was obstructing justice.[/QUOTE] Watch the video. He was standing around and recording the incident, which is completely legal. he exchanged a few words, the cops walked up to him even after he put his dog in the car and they wanted to arrest him. The only words I made out were "civil rights violation". What they should have done is secured the crime scene and had officers guarding the perimeter if it was that goddamn important.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41275895]Watch the video. He was standing around and recording the incident, which is completely legal. he exchanged a few words, the cops walked up to him even after he put his dog in the car and they wanted to arrest him. The only words I made out were "civil rights violation". What they should have done is secured the crime scene and had officers guarding the perimeter if it was that goddamn important.[/QUOTE] do people not get this entire situation at all after the numerous amounts of explanations in the thread??? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwxaTpJTyI[/media] loud music over the stereo while a swat raid is going on, yelling at the officers, being an ass. all a part of obstruction.
[URL]http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_23578147/hawthorne-police-kill-dog-during-arrest-owner[/URL] [quote] Rosby drove up in his rented black Mazda. Swain said Rosby stopped in the intersection with music blaring from his windows. Officers told him to turn down the music because they were trying to hear what was happening down the street. Rosby pulled forward, parked and got out with his dog, but left the music still playing loudly. "It's distracting the officers," Swain said. "It's interfering with what they are able to hear. It's not just a party call. It's an armed robbery call. The officers need to hear what's going on with the people being called out of the residence. That music in his car is bleeding over and it's distracting them." A neighbor, who asked not to be identified, said the officers asked him to turn the music down, but he refused. Rosby, she said, responded, "It's my (expletive) radio!" [/quote] [quote] Court records show he has previous convictions for resisting, battery and driving under the influence. Rosby, who is black, said he has filed six complaints against the Hawthorne Police Department, alleging mistreatment and racial profiling.[/quote]
Some details from the dog's owner [url]http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1466773308001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAGBdRAo~,t2cIYZUexJ2HLdBYSBIAhhF2g1dnagVO&bctid=2520804003001[/url]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41274812]the guy was obviously at a safe distance and was obviously not causing any harm. the cops were just acting like thugs, which isn't a surprise since that's pretty much what all of them are anyways.[/QUOTE] ignoring the fact that other people were recording at the safe distance already and this guy comes blaring down the street yelling and trying to cause a commotion during a tight situation?
Pretty sure my dog would to the same thing, it can feel when someone is an asshole and it will react to defend its owner. That dog was just being loyal and protective in my eyes, can't really blame the cops either.. I'd probally take a mini-crap as well after something like that lunges at you.. but still.. shooting it? Ask the dude to tie it to a fence or something. Fucking cops.
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