• Police arrest a man for filming them during a raid, and then shoot his dog three times. Man official
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If the dog was white it wouldn't have gotten shot. #justicefordog
[QUOTE=arthuro12;41276464]Pretty sure my dog would to the same thing, it can feel when someone is an asshole and it will react to defend its owner. That dog was just being loyal and protective in my eyes, can't really blame the cops either.. I'd probally take a mini-crap as well after something like that lunges at you.. but still.. shooting it? Ask the dude to tie it to a fence or something. Fucking cops.[/QUOTE] Sure thing bro, I'll just let a potentially dangerous dog jump at me and maybe start mauling me before I ask the owner to 'tie it to a fence or something'.
[QUOTE=striker453;41276407]ignoring the fact that other people were recording at the safe distance already and this guy comes blaring down the street yelling and trying to cause a commotion during a tight situation?[/QUOTE] i'm telling you, if music being played from a car half a block a way is going to distract the police officers they should have blocked that road. you can't just leave that area clear if people are going to be able to obstruct the raid from it. i'll say that from that link where it said the officers asked him to turn the radio down, i can sympathize more with the officers. however, they should have had the forethought to make sure the area was secure enough for their operations instead of arresting people for playing their radio too loud.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;41276464]Pretty sure my dog would to the same thing, it can feel when someone is an asshole and it will react to defend its owner. That dog was just being loyal and protective in my eyes, can't really blame the cops either.. I'd probally take a mini-crap as well after something like that lunges at you.. but still.. shooting it? Ask the dude to tie it to a fence or something. Fucking cops.[/QUOTE] i don't think any dog would react any differently. unless it's a dog with severe behaviour problems all dogs are fiercely loyal to their owners
and either way the dog is the victim here, not really the guy who was arrested. the dog did what came natural, protect its companion. he had to pay the ultimate price for his loyalty.
My take on it since were all posting our views: I can understand the man obstructing justice if he was blaring music. I can understand that the cops were upset and approached him with intent to arrest for doing so. I can understand that the dog was being a dog, loyal and protective. I can understand that the officer felt threatened when the dog confronted him. I can understand that the dog was shot because of it. Doesn't mean I think the cop is a hero for doing so. It also doesn't mean that I loved seeing that dog die, because I know that losing a dog is just as hard as losing a family member. I have rage pent up inside because he did kill the dog, but it's understandable as to why he did it. I also feel bad for the man and I can understand that he was just trying to comply and ended up having his dog killed. Either way, both sides were right and wrong.
I don't care if the dog came at them. Shooting the dog in this scenario is way too extreme. There is three officers, all of them presumably arm with non-letal weapons and batons. They could have just kicked the dog or give it a few good hits from a baton. The use of force continuum is just not right here. It was also reckless just to start shooting with all those people around. It seemed like there were a lot of pedestrians out on the lawns and sidewalk.
[QUOTE=Foxton;41271501]please shut the fuck up and quit generalizing california cops there are bad lots and good cops, and as always the bad shit is the one that gets attention sincerely, a californian[/QUOTE] My sister got into trouble with the police in my town because she walked in front of a suspected gang hideout Sincerely, a Californian.
I have a Rottweiler and this just makes me sad seeing them shoot the dog multiple times; one shot could have at least wounded the dog to a minimum instead of shooting it 4 times. You could see that first shot did enough damage to make the dog retreat or back down. I know they tried some less than lethal stuff, but more than 2 shots is too much for even a Rottweiler. This kind of stuff happens a lot though, especially home raids and it is pretty sad.
[QUOTE=The-Spy;41277064]I have a Rottweiler and this just makes me sad seeing them shoot the dog multiple times; one shot could have at least wounded the dog to a minimum instead of shooting it 4 times. You could see that first shot did enough damage to make the dog retreat or back down. I know they tried some less than lethal stuff, but more than 2 shots is too much for even a Rottweiler. This kind of stuff happens a lot though, especially home raids and it is pretty sad.[/QUOTE] How many times does it need to be said? You don't shoot to wound, you shoot to stop them.
[QUOTE=Aspen;41271448]haha fuck all cops lmao am i right guys??[/QUOTE] youre so brave for reminding everyone that not all police are bad really be proud of yourself for waving that torch im sure its tough
[QUOTE=scout1;41277077]How many times does it need to be said? You don't shoot to wound, you shoot to stop them.[/QUOTE] also 1 gunshot is probably enough to ensure a dog will have to be put down anyway, can't imagine the bill for treating a gunshot wound on a dog would be cheap either [editline]2nd July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;41277087]youre so brave for reminding everyone that not all police are bad really be proud of yourself for waving that torch im sure its tough[/QUOTE] good thing the guys with guns batons pepper spray and the power to ruin your life have aspen protecting them
honestly whenever i see someone being arrested for petty drug possession or being beaten violently for peaceful protests or filming police officers all i can think about is how traumatizing it is to live your life knowing that there are people on the internet that dont like you
Whether in the right or not (we could debate that until the end of time), would this have happened if that guy just walked on? I can't hear what he was saying to the officers, but that must have been why he was handcuffed.
The weak prick didn't have the guts to walk up and put one in the head, just to end the pain. poor dog...
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41277094]also 1 gunshot is probably enough to ensure a dog will have to be put down anyway, can't imagine the bill for treating a gunshot wound on a dog would be cheap either[/QUOTE] [B]You don't deal with "probably" when people can be seriously injured or killed[/B]
[QUOTE=scout1;41277554][B]You don't deal with "probably" when people can be seriously injured or killed[/B][/QUOTE] i'm just saying that's why it'd be stupid to shoot to wound a dog because even if shooting to wound was a thing a dog will be fucked anyway or will cost fuckloads to fix
[QUOTE=kevin32891;41271996][IMG]http://ll-media.extratv.com/2013/02/08/dorner-300x400.jpg[/IMG] We need you bro.[/QUOTE] A man who threatened to kill men, women, and children because he was fired by a corrupt police department is a "hero" who actually will only kill corrupt cops. Yeah, good choice of a role model.
There are other ways to deal with this situation than pulling out a gun. Other police forces across the world manage just fine. US cops are trigger-happy maniacs
Police need to be trained how to deal with people who own dogs, if you forcefully seperate a dog from its owner 9 times out of 10 its going to attack, you cant shoot every dog thats owner is being arrested. They should be properly handled and removed by trained professionals. The dog should be secured, such as placing the lead around a lampost until animal services can remove it. There needs to be a lot more cooperation between the owner and the police as well, the police should ask him to secure his dog first.
[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;41277690]Police need to be trained how to deal with people who own dogs, if you forcefully seperate a dog from its owner 9 times out of 10 its going to attack, you cant shoot every dog thats owner is being arrested. They should be properly handled and removed by trained professionals, the dog should be secured, such as placing the lead around a lampost, until animal services can remove it.[/QUOTE] Except there wasn't and usually isn't time to do something like that in this situation, the dog lunged at an officer after the owner failed to properly restrain the dog. Do you really think people should just sit there and let a dog lunge/bite at them, possible killing them, all because someone failed to roll up their windows? furthermore: i'm sure none of you would be defending this guy being a massive dick and irresponsible around other people with a large dog that can harm people if you were the one attacked.
Dog standing up for his owner, gets shot four times when 1 is enough since he was obviously in pain and trying to get away but no, the guy shoots him again and again, you can see where I'm going with this right? He keeps shooting. He wouldn't stop after the dog was in pain and 1 wouldn't do, no 1 wouldn't do, 4 would though?
Fucking dicks. But knowing how American cops are, if i was a black guy in that situation i would have stayed the fuck away from the cops and SWAT raiding the building.
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;41277758]Fucking dicks. But knowing how American cops are, if i was a black guy in that situation i would have stayed the fuck away from the cops and SWAT raiding the building.[/QUOTE] hell yeah man, i make it a rule to avoid cops whenever i can, cause even if you aren't doing anything wrong they have those bullshit 'obstruction of justice' 'disturbing the peace' kind of umbrella terms that could be ANYTHING and even if you're released without charge they can still arrest you and throw you in the cells for a few hours or even a whole night
[QUOTE=popbob;41277709]Except there wasn't and usually isn't time to do something like that in this situation, the dog lunged at an officer after the owner failed to properly restrain the dog. Do you really think people should just sit there and let a dog lunge/bite at them, possible killing them, all because someone failed to roll up their windows? furthermore: i'm sure none of you would be defending this guy being a massive dick and irresponsible around other people with a large dog that can harm people if you were the one attacked.[/QUOTE] I never said he should never have shot it, I'm saying that if you take the right procedure he would have never needed to open fire. You dont fuck with peoples dogs, they're a dangerous weapon when they want to be and that should be considered before pissing them off. Not having time to do something isnt really an excuse to end somethings life.
[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;41277790]I never said he should never have shot it, I'm saying that if you take the right procedure he would have never needed to open fire. You dont fuck with peoples dogs, they're a dangerous weapon when they want to be and that should be considered before pissing them off. [/quote] The right procedure was the owner properly restraining his dog. He didn't. [quote] Not having time to do something isnt really an excuse to end somethings life.[/QUOTE] Yes it is, especially when people's lives are in danger.
[QUOTE=popbob;41277816]The right procedure was the owner properly restraining his dog. He didn't. Yes it is, especially when people's lives are in danger.[/QUOTE] The dog was just barking until the police officer tried to get closer, he should have kept his distance and left it alone. If you get closer to a barking dog you should expect that kind of response. If you own a dog then you'll know what I'm talking about. The man tried to put his dog away before turning himself in so I'm sure he would have cooperated if they simply asked him to secure it properly. The owner should have put his dog away properly in the first place yes, but the officers should have also let him secure his dog again after it escaped. He turned himself in so its not as if hes going anywhere.
This dog friendly bullshit is killing me. Dogs are predators, the dog attacked, so the cop had to defend himself. Wether the arrest (and the following events) was justified is a different question. Dogs are not cats, dogs are not cows and dogs are not horses. Dogs can kill, get that in your damn heads.
Whether or not the shooting was justified is debatable. But either way it could've been handle a lot better, should have gave the dude was time to put the dog away properly in the car and according to the new video and owner BOTH parties were pretty damn stupid.
[QUOTE=popbob;41277816]Yes it is, especially when people's lives are in danger.[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting three trained police officers' lives were at risk from one dog?
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