Police arrest a man for filming them during a raid, and then shoot his dog three times. Man official
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[QUOTE=Bazsil;41272971]An exception does not override the majority.
Until you live here try not to judge my country based on a few cases on the news that were taken out of a country of 313.9 million people thanks[/QUOTE]
Sorry I don't want to live in a country that seems as shit as the usa does
Everybody I talk to always goes on about how america sucks, even all the americans over here
It's interesting now we have uncovered this man has a history of harassing this department and being arrested by this department, and using the race card to try to get out of trouble.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;41273345]It's interesting now we have uncovered this man has a history of harassing this department and being arrested by this department, and using the race card to try to get out of trouble.[/QUOTE]
Scott Swain didn't kill the dog.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;41272400]Also what does "poor" and "black" even have to do with this? Title is pretty sensationalist.[/QUOTE]
Well he's Black, so obviously that means he's poor too, the cops are just being racist- wait..
if i was a dog i would also be scared for my owner when strange people ive never seen before grab his air-legs and put a metal leash on them so i dont think it was a matter of aggressive dog i think it was just a matter of scared and protective dog
I'm only going to participate in one of these controversial threads one time and one time only because there is no possible way to debate things like this on this forum.
[QUOTE=Melnek;41273271]The officers are totally in the wrong here and this is why:
The owner had no knowledge that he was about to be arrested and dragged forcefully to the police car, so he did the reasonable thing and put the dog inside the car for a moment while he thought he was just going to have a conversation with the officers. He did not know he was doing anything wrong, because he - along with what seems like loads of people - were simply filming and staying well out of the area of the raid.
The officer's mistake was to instantly handcuff him and drag him to the police car, assumingly not explaining why which obviously made the owner of the dog nervous and resilient[/QUOTE]
During a police situation that would involved getting out high-powered weapons and blocking off several streets is already stressful enough. Having a crowd there in the first place makes their situation more stressful, risky, and dangerous.
Why they singled out that one guy and arrested them is in the video, and is something that most people either can't hear, or fail to acknowledge. The man stepped out of the crowd, walked closer to the scene than anyone else, and then proceeded to shout "Why are there no black cops [unintelligible]" (1:47).
He accused the officers of being racist and violating his civil rights and was purposefully standing out from the crowd to harass them about it. To prevent him from further distracting the officers and escalating the situation, the two officers went over to detain him - probably for obstruction or disturbing the peace.
He also was not dragged, and knew he was being put in handcuffs. One would assume that when an officer tells you to turn around and put your hands behind your back, they're putting cuffs on you. He complied, then resisted and struggled with the officer escorting him to debate why he's being detained.
Not to mention he started reaching in his pocket to put his phone back, but could also have been reaching for something else, giving further reason to put handcuffs on him.
[QUOTE=Melnek;41273271]This whole thing could have been avoided if the officers calmly approached the man, politely asked him to stop filming or to at least step back, and that would be the end of that. The man would have absolutely no reason to be nervous or confrontational, and this whole ordeal would have been avoided.[/QUOTE]
Again, he was shouting at the police officers, so they did what they could to make sure he would not cause any further disruption. The man was confrontational from the beginning; the situation could've been avoided if he wasn't acting out from the start.
The dog didn't really look aggressive, it looked playful.
Typically, I'd expect an aggressive dog before jumping to attack to atleast take some form of aggressive stance, y'know growling leaning back and generally hinting that he's about to fuck you up.
The fella' seemed to think the dog was safe enough to walk around with him out of the car with a longish lead on it without a muzzle, and honestly; before it jumped it was just sniffing around the cops; it was probably just a playful bastard but who knows.
If he knew he was going to get arrested he should have rolled up the windows when he put the dog in the car, what a horrible series of events :(
[QUOTE=Spherexd;41273593]I'm only going to participate in one of these controversial threads one time and one time only because there is no possible way to debate things like this on this forum.
During a police situation that would involved getting out high-powered weapons and blocking off several streets is already stressful enough. Having a crowd there in the first place makes their situation more stressful, risky, and dangerous.
Why they singled out that one guy and arrested them is in the video, and is something that most people either can't hear, or fail to acknowledge. The man stepped out of the crowd, walked closer to the scene than anyone else, and then proceeded to shout "Why are there no black cops [unintelligible]" (1:47).
He accused the officers of being racist and violating his civil rights and was purposefully standing out from the crowd to harass them about it. To prevent him from further distracting the officers and escalating the situation, the two officers went over to detain him - probably for obstruction or disturbing the peace.
He also was not dragged, and knew he was being put in handcuffs. One would assume that when an officer tells you to turn around and put your hands behind your back, they're putting cuffs on you. He complied, then resisted and struggled with the officer escorting him to debate why he's being detained.
Not to mention he started reaching in his pocket to put his phone back, but could also have been reaching for something else, giving further reason to put handcuffs on him.
Again, he was shouting at the police officers, so they did what they could to make sure he would not cause any further disruption. The man was confrontational from the beginning; the situation could've been avoided if he wasn't acting out from the start.[/QUOTE]
Lets not forget about this.
[video=youtube;ffwxaTpJTyI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwxaTpJTyI[/video]
This idiot was clearing looking to provoke a response and he got exactly that. He drove up to the police that were trying to contain a very dangerous situation and started playing extremely loud music to provoke a response and then got out of the car to take videos of them while trying to pull the race card. The police were probably trying to prevent him from getting his brains splattered over the sidewalk from whoever the SWAT was after. To detain this idiot was precisely the right thing to do. A shame the dog had to pay for the actions of his terrible owner.
also, as seen in this article( [URL="http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_15607803"]http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_15607803[/URL] ) this same police department tased a 12 year old autistic child
[QUOTE=ajrhug;41273680]also, as seen in this article( [URL="http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_15607803"]http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_15607803[/URL] ) this same police department tased a 12 year old autistic child[/QUOTE]
3 years ago
[QUOTE=ajrhug;41273680]also, as seen in this article( [URL="http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_15607803"]http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_15607803[/URL] ) this same police department tased a 12 year old autistic child[/QUOTE]
How does an over 5 year old incident have any relevance whatsoever?
[QUOTE=galenmarek;41273669]
This idiot was clearing looking to provoke a response and he got exactly that. He drove up to the police that were trying to contain a very dangerous situation and started playing extremely loud music to provoke a response and then got out of the car to take videos of them while trying to pull the race card. The police were probably trying to prevent him from getting his brains splattered over the sidewalk from whoever the SWAT was after. To detain this idiot was precisely the right thing to do. A shame the dog had to pay for the actions of his terrible owner.[/QUOTE]
He's not breaking any laws and should be left the fuck alone. The pussy LAPD pigs got all self-conscious about being filmed and decided to abuse their power to make him regret it, and end up murdering his dog. Fuck the LAPD. He's filming us and playing music, better call the waaaambulance.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;41273720]He's not breaking any laws and should be left the fuck alone. The pussy LAPD pigs got all self-conscious about being filmed and decided to abuse their power to make him regret it, and end up murdering his dog. Fuck the LAPD. He's filming us and playing music, better call the waaaambulance.[/QUOTE]
they're in the middle of a swat operation you dolt.
I don't blame the cop one bit. That owner did everything possible to cause a disturbance.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;41273720]He's not breaking any laws and should be left the fuck alone. The pussy LAPD pigs got all self-conscious about being filmed and decided to abuse their power to make him regret it, and end up murdering his dog. Fuck the LAPD. He's filming us and playing music, better call the waaaambulance.[/QUOTE]
This isn't even the LAPD genius.
Mmm nope sorry, even if the guy did need to be arrested, there's no excuse for three people to have to shoot a dog instead of trying a different method. It wasn't even being violent. The guy's a dumb fuck yeah, but those cops are too.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;41273307]Sorry I don't want to live in a country that seems as shit as the usa does
Everybody I talk to always goes on about how america sucks, even all the americans over here[/QUOTE]
They wouldn't be over there if they didn't think it sucked would they?
America does suck, so does pretty much every country out there which is when you turn off the news and stop worrying about what billy joe did half way across the country that got him beat up and worry about enjoying your own individual life in your present surroundings, which would be possible basically wherever
and just leave it to suffer in the street to yeah that's a good bonus. I don't understand the people defending these cops, just because the guy caused it and was being stupid that doesn't suddenly make the cop's responding actions okay.
[QUOTE=General J;41273809]Mmm nope sorry, even if the guy did need to be arrested, there's no excuse for three people to have to shoot a dog instead of trying a different method. It wasn't even being violent. The guy's a dumb fuck yeah, but those cops are too.[/QUOTE]
A barking dog that then proceeds to lunge at you whilst barking should be considered a threat.
Recently, I've had a run-in with a dog on my street who was keeping to itself, sniffing a stop sign, then charged at 2 kids going home and attempted to bite them.
There's no telling what a dog is thinking, and no negotiating, and because they have potential to rip your limbs, they must be considered a threat. There is no time to think and no time to experiment. Immediate action has to be taken.
Also, only 1 officer shot. He had to since the other two were holding the owner back, and every other officer was keeping eyes on the house.
What kind of use of force do they get taught there?
I go on the beat intermittently and I can't imagine a situation with an aggressive dog where I would have to reach for my gun.
Imo they should've attempted to fend it off with the end of their guns first, at least the dog would've had a chance at surviving.
You know, what puzzles me is why so many people just like to film cops doing shit. I know alot of people get arrested or some shit for doing so, but why do so many people just like to film them? Whether its a crime scene or not. Why can't you just stand there and watch?
[QUOTE=Spherexd;41273873]A barking dog that then proceeds to lunge at you whilst barking should be considered a threat.
Recently, I've had a run-in with a dog on my street who was keeping to itself, sniffing a stop sign, then charged at 2 kids going home and attempted to bite them.
There's no telling what a dog is thinking, and no negotiating, and because they have potential to rip your limbs, they must be considered a threat. There is no time to think and no time to experiment. Immediate action has to be taken.
Also, only 1 officer shot. He had to since the other two were holding the owner back, and every other officer was keeping eyes on the house.[/QUOTE]
That's another thing I'm scratching my head over, it's not like the officer was alone and at risk of being mauled to death by the dog.
[QUOTE=shian;41274018]You know, what puzzles me is why so many people just like to film cops doing shit. I know alot of people get arrested or some shit for doing so, but why do so many people just like to film them? Whether its a crime scene or not. Why can't you just stand there and watch?[/QUOTE]
If you catch any misconduct you can report it with proof if you have video.
[QUOTE=angelangel;41274020]That's another thing I'm scratching my head over, it's not like the officer was alone and at risk of being mauled to death by the dog.[/QUOTE]
It's not a power-by-numbers thing, it's an immediate threat thing. Having anyone get hurt by it would be a failure by the officers' parts.
You saw the officer try to go for the leash after hearing what the owner was saying, only to have the dog snap back at his arm. There's no "fool me twice" when doing things like these.
But I'm very much done with this thread, again I don't like these threads.
Final note: No average person likes seeing dogs die and no average officer signs up to kill.
I think the dog did that because it believed its owner was in danger...
Why is this thread seven pages? Everything that happened is the dog owner's fault. HE pulled over and started blaring music from his car and screaming at the cops to stir shit. HE brought his dog out of the car, knowing he would be confronted by the police. HE knew that specific breed of dog has a reputation for being dangerous. Hell, I'd be willing to bet the guy was trying to use the dog as some sort of weapon, knowing the dog would defend its owner. Guess what? You use your dog as a meat shield and weapon, it will get shot.
The owner is an irresponsible moron who never should have been allowed to have a pet in the first place.
A dog lunging is far different to a dog mauling. The cop did not try nearly long enough to control the dog before using his gun. There were at least 3 officers present and if they couldn't control a dog with less than a gun they do not deserve to be sworn. People saying it's justified have it wrong because any dog would do this; the solution isn't to kill every dog approaching a police officer. In fact, you can clearly see that both the officer and the dog have moved away from each other before the discharge. Being a good cop would mean holstering the firearm and equipping a tool to whack the dog. Those saying it was the man's fault are disregarding the actions of the shooter which were highly controversial and unethical.
I don't understand, why do you guys care about dogs so much?
dog got killed for trying to chew some bacon, poor guy.
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