[QUOTE=strayebyrd;35081011]antisemitism and neo-naziism still exists though, and the antisemitism is actually still quite rampant in parts of England at least[/QUOTE]
Are you even from England? I've never met an anti-semite in my life and i've met at least 10 "skinheads", and they weren't anti-semitic.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35081124]Neo-nazism is different to nazism though. Neo nazis in russia hate all immigrants and do not limit themselves to jews. Not to mention neo nazis is not a huge military group that exterminates jews, they're a bunch of small groups just being racist overall.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, but you said all the Nazis were dead and gone. So long as there's someone persecuting basically anyone for any of the same reasons the Nazis used, they're pretty much still Nazis.
They'll never be totally gone.
We don't even have a large population of jewish people here what in fuck's name are you talking about?
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;35081162]Are you even from England? I've never met an anti-semite in my life and i've met at least 10 "skinheads", and they weren't anti-semitic.[/QUOTE]
uhh yeah I am from England, my friend has been violently assaulted more than once because of his background and I've had epithets hurled at me more times than I can count. Plus a lot kids in my old school used the term Jew as an insult, and had a lot of negative opinions about Jews that they got from their parents.
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[QUOTE=Drsalvador;35081175]We don't even have a large population of jewish people here what in fuck's name are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
clearly you've never been to North London mate
not all of us sport kippah and eat Gefilte fish dude most Jews are just another guy on the street
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Jews[/url]
oh look second largest Jewish population in Europe
why is it not okay to criticise other cultures
they aren't fucking above moral responsibility
View the individual, not the whole.
It survived two revolutions and both of the world wars and then a fire from a nearby gypsy village takes it down?
Fuck.
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[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;35081520]View the individual, not the whole.[/QUOTE]
You should see all the major ''gypsy villages'' and then talk.
They're literally filled with illiterate medieval peasants.
I didn't know they were an ethnic group. I thought there were people of tons of different races that lead this kind of lifestyle.
Regardless, I have never heard one good thing about a Gypsy. They don't contribute to society do they? What point is there in being one in this society? How do they get their money? Handouts? Stealing?
I only lived in the UK for 4 years but in that time I came to hate them. If we had this bad of a problem in the US...well... look what happened to the Occupy Movement and what they were doing is protected under the Constitution... these people are just... weird...
I don't think SigmaLambda understands that gypsies have always been like this, they're the group of people where it's okay, sadly, to hate them because of the shit the vast majority of them do which includes stealing, stabbing, etc. For those who move away from that culture, I applaud you.
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;35081520]View the individual, not the whole.[/QUOTE]
but then we'd never get anything done
[QUOTE=Aman VII;35080807]I'd implore you to go to any European country that has a large amount of gypsies and watch what they do and how they act.[/QUOTE]
and I'd implore people to stop telling me that if I saw a brown person acting poorly I'd suddenly understand where you guys were coming from and become racist just like all of y'all.
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[QUOTE=zombays;35081801]I don't think SigmaLambda understands that gypsies have always been like this, they're the group of people where it's okay, sadly, to hate them because of the shit the vast majority of them do which includes stealing, stabbing, etc. For those who move away from that culture, I applaud you.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you're saying completely, I just don't accept the premise that bigotry can be justified if the circumstances are extreme enough.
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;35081781]I didn't know they were an ethnic group. I thought there were people of tons of different races that lead this kind of lifestyle.
Regardless, I have never heard one good thing about a Gypsy. They don't contribute to society do they? What point is there in being one in this society? How do they get their money? Handouts? Stealing?
I only lived in the UK for 4 years but in that time I came to hate them. If we had this bad of a problem in the US...well... look what happened to the Occupy Movement and what they were doing is protected under the Constitution... these people are just... weird...[/QUOTE]
It is rare to find a civilized one,but with the conditions them and their children are living in,it is not surprising.It's sad that the idea of everyone being accommodated with proper housing and a job are often considered utopic.
We have somewhat of a gypsy problem in places in the UK.
Close to me there are a lot of small abandoned car-parks and general unused roads ( however they are used for rambling.etc ) and gypsy's come and camp their until the police come and move them now I'm not saying all gypsy's are bad it's just that... it's one thing to be poor but another to be downright disrespectful and dirty. You do not have to be rich to NOT completely wreck an area with litter and junk.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;35081815]but then we'd never get anything done[/QUOTE]
yeah, if we couldn't do things that require stereotyping like redlining, discriminating in employment and housing, committing genocide, and posting facebook comments about flamboyant gays ruining our children our society would fall apart.
"stereotypes are important" is wicked fucking easy for someone whos never felt an ounce of genuine prejudice or oppression in their life to say
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35081840]and I'd implore people to stop telling me that if I saw a brown person acting poorly I'd suddenly understand where you guys were coming from and become racist just like all of y'all.
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I understand what you're saying completely, I just don't accept the premise that bigotry can be justified if the circumstances are extreme enough.[/QUOTE]
Bigotry against a culture with substantial proof still floating around on the internet and personal stories kind of makes it reasonable bigotry. And this isn't just one "brown" person these are people in the millions, all acting the same way in their fucked up culture of theirs.
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35081906]yeah, if we couldn't do things that require stereotyping like redlining, discriminating in employment and housing, committing genocide, and posting facebook comments about flamboyant gays ruining our children our society would fall apart.
"stereotypes are important" is wicked fucking easy for someone whos never felt an ounce of genuine prejudice or oppression in their life to say[/QUOTE] Look, prejudice against anyone because of their culture, race, etc. is wrong. The only exception, sadly, is the gypsies. People didn't just not like them from the start, no, they earned that bigotry they receive with the way their culture still is. Like I said earlier, for those who move away from that kind of bullshit, good for you.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35081906]yeah, if we couldn't do things that require stereotyping like redlining, discriminating in employment and housing, committing genocide, and posting facebook comments about flamboyant gays ruining our children our society would fall apart.
"stereotypes are important" is wicked fucking easy for someone whos never felt an ounce of genuine prejudice or oppression in their life to say[/QUOTE]
Oh my god stop responding when you don't know the situation, you just look like a tool.
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35080845]Holocaust was horrible and slovak people never thought otherwise.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't matter though. these kind of things make the issue bigger than just "gypsies are bad, therefor we hate them".
So stereotyping is bad but lumping all the people who do something we hate into one title is fine? That would make sense if it didn't breed ignorance.
[QUOTE=zombays;35081913]Bigotry against a culture with substantial proof still floating around on the internet and personal stories kind of makes it reasonable bigotry[/QUOTE]
Yeah, to ignore the problem is only going to escalate it. And it's not like all criticism in coming from outside: there have been romanis that have stepped up and criticized romani culture so that they could break the stereotypes instead of being stuck to their lifestyle where it clashes with the majority culture.
yeah look you can scream "you don't live here so you don't understand" just as much as you want to but it doesn't change anything.
this gypsy issue isn't a unique thing, it's happened across history with anything from jews to gypsies to arabs to god-knows what else.
but there is a problem here. ultimately we all want the same things, we want the gypsy people (whoever you might bloody mean when you say gypsy) to live well off in harmony with the various people's around it.
but one must understand that this issue is deep and routed in sentiments that reach beyond this generation. it's funny how we say "jews or gypsies shouldn't be so sensitive about the holocaust" when the gypsy issue is something that is far older than the holocaust itself.
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;35081982]So stereotyping is bad but lumping all the people who do something we hate into one title is fine? That would make sense if it didn't breed ignorance.[/QUOTE]
Everything else is a no-no, it's just that Romani culture is so fucked up and backwards that it isn't really a stereotype, this is how Gypsies act, and it's sad, but unfortunately, that's how it is.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;35082042]yeah look you can scream "you don't live here so you don't understand" just as much as you want to but it doesn't change anything.
this gypsy issue isn't a unique thing, it's happened across history with anything from jews to gypsies to arabs to god-knows what else.
but there is a problem here. ultimately we all want the same things, we want the gypsy people (whoever you might bloody mean when you say gypsy) to live well off in harmony with the various people's around it.
but one must understand that this issue is deep and routed in sentiments that reach beyond this generation. it's funny how we say "jews or gypsies shouldn't be so sensitive about the holocaust" when the gypsy issue is something that is far older than the holocaust itself.[/QUOTE]
People who say "Jews or gypsies shouldn't be so sensitive about the holocaust" are arrogant assholes.
What about posting more obscure gypsy videos?
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;35081175]We don't even have a large population of jewish people here what in fuck's name are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
wha?
eh i'm from england and i can tell you we had a huge jewish community in london and in brighton.
yeah and antisemitism did exist. i was a target for a lot of it.
[QUOTE=zombays;35082050]Everything else is a no-no, it's just that Romani culture is so fucked up and backwards that it isn't really a stereotype, this is how Gypsies act, and it's sad, but unfortunately, that's how it is.
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stop fucking saying this.
stop saying that it's ok to hate gypsies because the stereotypes are true. that's the exact same excuse every racist ever throughout the history of the world has used to justify their racism. how do you not get this?
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[QUOTE=zombays;35082050]
People who say "Jews or gypsies shouldn't be so sensitive about the holocaust" are arrogant assholes.[/QUOTE]
and people who propagate the exact same sort of hate and prejudice that lead to gypsies being killed in the holocaust (ie about two dozen people who have posted in this thread) aren't?
I think some people aren't understanding why most don't like Gypsies. We dislike their [B]society[/B], not their race/ethnicity, no one is saying that they act like they do because they are Gypsies, it's because of their society and culture that shapes them like that. Yes, most that come from these societies are criminals and violent, you can't judge someone's behaviour by their genetics (race, ethnicity), but you definitely can by the way they are raised and the values they are taught.
Saying that black gang members are almost all criminals isn't racist against blacks, it's not their race you are basing your judgement upon, it's the kind of life they lead.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35082230]stop fucking saying this.
stop saying that it's ok to hate gypsies because the stereotypes are true. that's the exact same excuse every racist ever throughout the history of the world has used to justify their racism. how do you not get this?
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and people who propagate the exact same sort of hate and prejudice that lead to gypsies being killed in the holocaust (ie about two dozen people who have posted in this thread) aren't?[/QUOTE]
Please provide actual information into the argument then rather than just scream "OMG RACIST IS HAPPEN HERE BAD BAD" like a retard.
What's with gypsies and burning shit down?
There was this old abandoned restaurant not far from where I live. A gypsy family started living there, eventually the cops came and threw them out. Later they came back and set all the trash there on fire.
Good riddance.
[QUOTE=danielmm8888;35082431]What's with gypsies and burning shit down?
There was this old abandoned restaurant not far from where I live. A gypsy family started living there, eventually the cops came and threw them out. Later they came back and set all the trash there on fire.
Good riddance.[/QUOTE]
They're nomads, and if you're a nomad, why wouldn't you burn everything down when you move to the next place. No wait, that's idiotic. :v:
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35082230]stop fucking saying this.
stop saying that it's ok to hate gypsies because the stereotypes are true. that's the exact same excuse every racist ever throughout the history of the world has used to justify their racism. how do you not get this?
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and people who propagate the exact same sort of hate and prejudice that lead to gypsies being killed in the holocaust (ie about two dozen people who have posted in this thread) aren't?[/QUOTE]
Calm down, you won't change a thing in the world screaming bloody murder again and again that everyone here is racist.
[QUOTE=zombays;35082501]They're nomads, and if you're a nomad, why wouldn't you burn everything down when you move to the next place. No wait, that's idiotic. :v:[/QUOTE]
What happens if you live in the middle of a forest?
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