[QUOTE=xxncxx;35082570]SigmaLambda and BrickInHead
Out.[/QUOTE]
Omg racist, why won't you respect gypsies and their poor souls?
Okay, new info on castle. 20% of relics have been lost.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35082230]stop fucking saying this.
stop saying that it's ok to hate gypsies because the stereotypes are true. that's the exact same excuse every racist ever throughout the history of the world has used to justify their racism. how do you not get this?
[editline]10th March 2012[/editline]
and people who propagate the exact same sort of hate and prejudice that lead to gypsies being killed in the holocaust (ie about two dozen people who have posted in this thread) aren't?[/QUOTE]
it's not racist to hate gypsies
the word gypsy doesn't refer to romani people, it refers to romani people who go around in caravans and steal shit and etc
[QUOTE=acds;35082322]it's because of their society and culture that shapes them like that.[/QUOTE]
not as much as you'd assume. the problem comes from the culture clash, not the culture and society itself.
the gypsies that create problems are the gypsies that clash with contemporary culture. Romani culture shares its social codes with Hindu cultures. if Hindu's can act normal in society with their culture so can Romani people.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35080675]well you don't have to believe my stories.
but i hate to stay in one place so even though i was born in Britain, i also traveled across Europe, did volunteer work in Latin America, and ended up in the US.
it might sound like i "did everything" but it's not a lot and it's not everything i'd like to do either.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say I didn't believe them, in fact they kind of make sense considering your personality
[QUOTE=Sickle;35082526]Calm down, you won't change a thing in the world screaming bloody murder again and again that everyone here is racist.[/QUOTE]
well obviously I need to yell it a little louder considering y'all still ain't realized it yet.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;35082570]SigmaLambda and BrickInHead
Out.[/QUOTE]
lol whatcha gonna do about it?
Everyone is being so hostile in this thread. Take it to the debate forum. I know it sucks that a castle was burnt down but things happen, people will get over it.
[QUOTE=Charlievrw;35082784]Everyone is being so hostile in this thread. Take it to the debate forum. I know it sucks that a castle was burnt down but things happen, people will get over it.[/QUOTE]
The news section would be boring without debates.
To understand gypsys you have to grow up in the balkans, I had some gypsy friends but most of them are scum and they weren't nomads.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35082677]not as much as you'd assume. the problem comes from the culture clash, not the culture and society itself.[/QUOTE]
Their culture is from a different era. It should adapt to the modern world.
[QUOTE=Unsmart;35080097]Im Slovak.
If you haven't lived there, you cant possibly imagine how terrible the situation is.
Call it racism all you want, but they are the biggest scum.
They mooch off of state welfare, have 6+ kids and steal EVERYTHING. They are fucking crazy, they even steal electrical wires and transformers. (some retards tried to steal live wires). The manhole covers are made of iron, they steal those too so they can sell it for a few bucks to buy more drugs.
MOST of them live in shitty illegal "villages"/camps in inhumane conditions.
Id say that less than 1% actually makes it past mandatory school education (1st year of high school)[/QUOTE]
Forgot that aswell.
Its as if you lived here in Portugal aswell... Or maybe as if I lived there...
They steal the manhole covers and copper wiring aswell here. Its increadible how they can steal and sell anything. Reminds me of Fallout, stealing forks which isn't all wrong because they can steal all silverware for some euros aswell...
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35082891]Their culture is from a different era. It should adapt to the modern world.[/QUOTE]
modern world blows as much as the old world does.
i'm gonna go live in a shack and no-one can bother me except facepunchers that send me death threats over the PM's.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35080189]No body hates the ethnicity, they hate the gypsy culture.[/QUOTE]
Stealing, killing people and selling drugs isn't a culture.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35082940]modern world blows as much as the old world does.
i'm gonna go live in a shack and no-one can bother me except facepunchers that send me death threats over the PM's.[/QUOTE]
Modern society is better than the one that preceded it. Everything gets better given time and development.
nothing in romani or irish traveler culture says you should steal, kill people, or sell drugs. modern drugs are utterly new things as far as the culture is concerned.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35082677]not as much as you'd assume. the problem comes from the culture clash, not the culture and society itself.
the gypsies that create problems are the gypsies that clash with contemporary culture. Romani culture shares its social codes with Hindu cultures. if Hindu's can act normal in society with their culture so can Romani people.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I shouldn't have said culture. It has nothing to do with culture, the criminal activity comes from the society and how they are raised within that society.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35082978]Modern society is better than the one that preceded it. Everything gets better given time and development.[/QUOTE]
sure but modernity doesn't imply civility or better social conditions.
[editline]10th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=acds;35082994]Yeah I shouldn't have said culture. It has nothing to do with culture, the criminal activity comes from the society and how they are raised within that society.[/QUOTE]
it's about social exceptions. we in british cultures don't expect them to do much and they assume that role because it's the only thing they can do.
it's about barriers to work. bad parental figures because a lot of them have to work in order to stay in the bad conditions they have.
no-one wants to live on someone else's property stealing metal and living by on very little. it's not a life anyone aspires to.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35082996]sure but modernity doesn't imply civility or better social conditions.[/QUOTE]
It does, once the problems have been highlighted within said society are focused on to be fixed. Technological and economic development makes this process easier.
[QUOTE=dass;35082945]Stealing, killing people and selling drugs isn't a culture.[/QUOTE]
It is to some groups.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35083021]It does, once the problems have been highlighted within said society are focused on to be fixed. Technological and economic development makes this process easier.[/QUOTE]
what if society benefits from bad social conditions? certainly neo-liberalism works better with bad social conditions.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35083151]what if society benefits from bad social conditions? certainly neo-liberalism works better with bad social conditions.[/QUOTE]
Not really, if social conditions are bad the society eventually ends up collapsing.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35083162]Not really, if social conditions are bad the society eventually ends up collapsing.[/QUOTE]
ergo "more modern" does not always equal "better"
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35082805]The news section would be boring without debates.[/QUOTE]
Debating with things like "Get Out" & "lol whatcha gonna do about it?" isn't a very entertaining debate if you ask me.
Older pics:
[img]http://i.sme.sk/cdata/5/62/6293835/hrad-001.jpg[/img]
Roof of castle completly fell, Interior was burning/is still burning.
I want to go there tommorow and take picture, of what was left. If I can enter that zone, because Prime Minister is there, and tommorow he's going to disscuss what we can do next.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35083519]ergo "more modern" does not always equal "better"[/QUOTE]
Ever since humans started to utilise tools in ever increasingly more complex ways thing have been gradually getting better. Hunter Gatherers have a more wretched life than the first farmers.
I've had a first-hand experience with Gypsies
-Threatened to stab me (I was just passing by to a shop? Da fuq)
-Threatened to stab brother (he was fucking 11 at the time, what the shit)
-Called me a paedofile because my girlfriend looked 12(?) when she is in fact 4 years older (hint: I am 17, so don't pull a fast one sunshine)
-Threatened to stab girlfriend
-Tried to hit me (I obviously got a close-call and just kinda jogged away, because I'm not that fast. Again, just passing by and he called be a "faggot tosser, I'll kill ya". Exact quote)
-Threatened to stab brother's friends
-Came up to me and tried to hit me (told him not to do it again or I will make his world hell for the next 10 seconds. He actually believed me and shat bricks. I was actually relieved he didn't retaliate; I'm a lover, not a fighter :h:)
-Kids smoking, calling me a faggot
-Kids coming up to me, trying to put out their cigarettes on my cheek, knocked it out of his hand and he tried to hit me, he missed but decided to try and go for girlfriend, I told him I would throw him to the ground so hard he would not see the light of day for months, he shat brix when I went right up to his face to say this.
I know I sound all hard-ass, but I was just defending my girlfriend. I'm sure any of you would. I'm not a fighter, I really ain't, I only fight when I NEED to, aka self-defense, I do NOT pick fights, but I will only retaliate if required.
Also, some gypsies near my girlfriend live in fuckoff huge mansions, massive wedding and party dresses, fucking fancy ass cars (Rolls Royce, the James Bond one, is seen like thrice over there. DAFUQ) and I saw one of their cars spraypainted with "PEDO" and "GYPSY" plus other profanities (minor, but pedo and gypsy were seen practically fucking everywhere on the car) so I dunno if there is a pedo gypsy around here but I will take it with a grain of solar system and say "Yes, there is."
Just my fair share.
They're also rich as fuck but don't work, and they have like 100" TV's. Ho-lee shit.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35083931]Ever since humans started to utilise tools in ever increasingly more complex ways thing have been gradually getting better. Hunter Gatherers have a more wretched life than the first farmers.[/QUOTE]
yo this isn't true at all. many hunter-gatherer groups often had longer lifespans than farmers because famers had diets which lacked nutrition since they lived off of just a few food sources as opposed to the most stable hunter-gatherer groups which had very broad, well-rounded diets. agriculture eventually won out because it was more stable overall but simply saying [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF8wLg5Asgo]"more technology = better than"[/url] isn't really reasonable or supported.
Sounds like people give them shit so even if they wanted to move past stereotypes the odds are stacked against them- so why bother?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35084357]yo this isn't true at all. many hunter-gatherer groups often had longer lifespans than farmers because famers had diets which lacked nutrition since they lived off of just a few food sources as opposed to the most stable hunter-gatherer groups which had very broad, well-rounded diets. agriculture eventually won out because it was more stable overall but simply saying [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF8wLg5Asgo]"more technology = better than"[/url] isn't really reasonable or supported.[/QUOTE]
Wrong.
The farming diet was crucial in that it gave much greater stability and security than hunting did. Food acquired by farming was often kept much more easily than hunted food. Dried grain could be kept for ages as long as it was dry. Farmers always would have a surplus (Because survival depended on it, for uncertain times and keeping a stock of seeds.)
Hunter groups for most of their lives were half-starved, suffering from many brutal injuries that would lead to early painful deaths without proper medical attention. The constant search for food was what eventually caused farming to come about in the first place, as people were so desperate they turned to eating grass seeds.
People before the invention of farming, more commonly died at earlier ages from more violent deaths, and were generally malnourished. [url]http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1467-3010.2000.00019.x/abstract;jsessionid=4C98D86001E7A23EA1A290C16A7E437F.d01t04[/url]
These people had high infant mortality, harsh lives, and had to spend days tracking and searching for food. The irregular intake of varied random foods at random times led to severe problems later too.
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