• Slovakian castle ''Krasna Horka'' on fire
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[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;35091755]Lmao how is this ban worthy? It just looks like mod abuse to me. Oh boy you have no idea how much would I love to see Megafan, thisisspain, lambda and others to run into gypsies. I'd really love to hear their opinion after they have an encounter with them.[/QUOTE] Yeah if you got mugged by a black person like me you'd hate black people too
[QUOTE=CatFodder;35096445]Yeah if you got mugged by a black gangster like me you'd hate black gangster people too[/QUOTE]
First off I'm American. I've never had to deal with any sort of gypsies in the manner that most of the people in this thread are describing: ("Thieving, vandalizing, robbing, kidnapping scum") Now before you say "you've never dealt with them fuck off", consider the following. From what I've read in this thread alone it seems that Europeans believe that most gypsies are an inherently bad people, mooching of the state/hard-working folk for all sorts of benefits, nothing but scum; stealing your bicycles, ruining your properties and whatnot. From what thisispain and a few others have said, this hatred goes as far back as at least 200-400 years. Some of you guys say you don't hate the ones that branch off and actually leave that lifestyle, the ones who go for an education and live an honest working life. Think about that, you guys are some of the problem as well don't you think? You would like for them to assimilate into modern society, to stop living their shitty lives with their shitty culture that seems to clash with contemporary values; to settle down and find jobs and put their children through school. Do you really expect them to try to assimilate into a society that utterly despises them? Does that make any sense to you that they would even make an attempt? You guys aren't helping the situation at all. Your governments provide the gypsies with benefits as shown by Khaoos, but as seen from the videos posted and from the testimony of posters here, that doesn't do a thing for them. It's the equivalent of a parent giving a crying child a toy in the hopes that it'll shut up and leave the parent alone, the equivalent of shutting your eyes and ears until the loud noise shuts up; it's only a temporary solution. The only way that I can see for the gypsies to change their lifestyle is if you guys help them, make them feel part of the society at large. "Well how are we gonna do that jack?" You can start by quitting that shit of dismissing every news story that comes up in which a gypsy is involved committing a crime as "that's just how they are" or "gypsy scum". [editline]11th March 2012[/editline] You know why blacks fought so damn hard for equal rights? Because they felt they had [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation]a[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedmen%27s_Bureau]chance[/url]. They felt involved in the society at large, and more importantly, they felt people actually gave a damn. According to what I've seen in this thread, you guys aren't exactly providing that sense of belonging to the gypsies.
I will respect your opinion once you've had at least several year experience with them. No offense, but it really seems retarded to me to continue arguing when I just know that there is no way for you to understand it. I mean you can think what you want if you think we're oppressing them or not giving them any chances, but I just know that's huge load of bullshit. They've just been raised that way and I don't think things will be different unless there is some radical change. Carry on arguing rate me dumb or whatever.
And how do you think that radical change will come about? If people like you sit on their behinds and not do a thing about it? You're funny man.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35091483]Unjustified ban, I saw absolutely no flaming in that post.[/QUOTE] I don't usually disagree with hoodoo being banned, but that ban is bullshit.
Hill is on fire again: [img]http://www.infonoviny.sk/img/0_0/3405/1.jpg[/img] And how it yesterday started: [video=youtube;vZQue2FLH0Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZQue2FLH0Y[/video]
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;35097138]And how do you think that radical change will come about? If people like you sit on their behinds and not do a thing about it? You're funny man.[/QUOTE] Well I think radical change will happen when gypsies get an opportunity, like when we give them free water, electricity, houses, scholarship and so on so they can finally start living a normal life. Oh wait, they always destroy everything and then sell cables and scrap, nevermind. You're funny man if you think you understand the problem and that it's that easy to fix it.
Whoa whoa jack, never did I say it would be easy. To change the way an entire people live and think doesn't even sound REMOTELY easy. It would take decades, especially if most people in Europe have the same wretched attitude about the situation as you.
Guys, could you stop arguing about them? Castle is on fire again, and Elementary school near it is in danger. Just stop this "flame" war. //Edit: I just realised that I've made a pun, without noticing it. :v:
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;35097378]Whoa whoa jack, never did I say it would be easy. To change the way an entire people live and think doesn't even sound REMOTELY easy. It would take decades, especially if most people in Europe have the same wretched attitude about the situation as you.[/QUOTE] They are given plenty of opportunity to change. Any help is either abused or thrown back in the face of whoever offered. A lot of them don't want to change and for some reason are happy living like selfish assholes. Though that is not to say that all or even most of them are like that.
Well when you've had nothing but hate directed toward you for the past couple a' hundred years it's not hard to understand why they aren't exactly so ready to accept help. Consider a boy who's known nothing but beatings and molestation by his mother all his life. It's not hard to understand the boy would develop some sort of fear, phobia, perhaps hatred of women, and would be very confused if a woman displayed an act of kindness later.
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;35097202]Hill is on fire again: [img]http://www.infonoviny.sk/img/0_0/3405/1.jpg[/img] And how it yesterday started: [video=youtube;vZQue2FLH0Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZQue2FLH0Y[/video][/QUOTE] The women speaking in the background are journalists for the hungarian online magazine Index. They mentioned that the fire spread all around the castle and the air was searing hot. Horrible.
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;35097747]Well when you've had nothing but hate directed toward you for the past couple a' hundred years it's not hard to understand why they aren't exactly so ready to accept help. Consider a boy who's known nothing but beatings and molestation by his mother all his life. It's not hard to understand the boy would develop some sort of fear, phobia, perhaps hatred of women, and would be very confused if a woman displayed an act of kindness later.[/QUOTE] Good job, you're generalizing them as much as we are (apparently). Also what the hell why wouldn't you accept any help given to you, you're spewing out some retarded things. This argument will go nowhere, and this thread is way off topic so I'll just stop responding to this nonsense.
"I'll just say what you're saying is retarded and leave it at that since I don't have anything constructive to say." [editline]11th March 2012[/editline] It's evident you've never had something really affect you emotionally in any way, otherwise you'd be able to understand what is meant when someone doesn't accept help that is given to them. A good friend of mine was molested by her father when she was young. She had a hard time through middle and high school accepting that not all males were complete and utter assholes. It's not a difficult idea to understand that after years and years of ostracizing from society at large that the gypsies would be reluctant to accept help now. [editline]11th March 2012[/editline] I can't imagine what my country would be like today if more people like you were around from 1860-1969.
[quote]"I'll just say what you're saying is retarded and leave it at that since I don't have anything constructive to say."[/quote] Or maybe I just don't want to bother with someone uninformed and stupid as you. Also why would I care about your friend? How is it related to this? You don't seem to understand that people here differ the name gypsy and Romani. You don't even know what's going on here except by the posts made in this thread, you even said it yourself, so why are you acting like some smartass. Who would know more, you who only has this thread as source of information; or me, who lived his whole life here? And if you read the thread you would see that I'm not the only one from this region who has this opinion. (also thanks to your idiocy you made me respond again)
I thought gypsies were people that lived in cart-thingies and told your future :v:
Dude relax, there really is no reason for name-calling what are we in primary school? And you're clearly not reading ANYTHING I've posted holy shit. Of course you know more than me about the situation, that's why you should be one of the people doing something about it. You should realize more than I do that hating them does NOTHING for them and nothing for you who hates what they do. If you keep up this outlook that they're inherently bad and nothing can be changed the problem will persist for another hundred years, don't you get that? As for what my friend has to do with anything, please read the second part of that sentence.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;35098255] You don't seem to understand that people here differ the name gypsy and Romani. [/QUOTE] So basically, you don't get it, or you are just playing dumb. We are TRYING to do something about it, like give FREE [B]EVERYTHING[/B], yet they still manage to fuck it up and steal things. We don't hate people personally, we hate their backward culture and behavior. If they act like a normal citizens without stealing and destroying everything (even after they have been given opportunity [B]COUNTLESS[/B] times), then we have no problem with them. Oh and if anything, if I show my hatred to them, at the very least they wont attack me. You really don't know jack shit about them since you're talking like that. And that marks the end of discussion, if anything we will continue this via PM. Let's try to keep this thread on topic.
Warriorx4, your points were brilliant there, but based on my experiences, there is a huge load of truth in what Spirit_Breaker states. It is not that everyone hates gypsies even in Hungary. You could as well say that the situation swas similar to the black people's situation well back in time. But what went different is: in the old times (gran's stories) gypsies were a LOT MORE respected, they were family traditionalist workers, locksmithsa, blacksmiths, builders, horse breeders and tenders, tub-makers and so on. They were famous of their stuff which was considered pretty much top-notch or the average people's have to have. Still they had the nearly exact same family and living conditions. They had homes on the dirt built with wood and thatch or occupied ruined houses and so on, but they had the newest things, again because their trade was their life and so they had monies going in and out so they had cars in all family even way back, they had good import clothes (something really hard to get in Hungary those times) but still they lived in and how they wanted (or just never bothered) to. And this never changed up to this day. Not because they are rejected, and not because they are alienated or don't want to assimilate new things. No, they just cant be seen to be bothered. Now you can go to a ragged down house, still dirt (or so dreadfully untidy that dirt built up) as the floor, but the hugest flatscreen and the gold in the neck and Mercedes key on the display. And even like this they cannot seem to be bothered about getting out of this, they are settled in this well and they are seeing no need to get out. If one gipsy just raises his hand and goes to school out of his home he can, he will have books and govt support, he will have a good chance to learn even in uni, free, which is not the provided case for anyone else (but handicapped and some other cases ofc). Those who do this are generally disappearing from these communities because even their families cannot seem to understand why he/she gets out of it. And they become just as fine a man as any other of us can or could be if they try. They still are the best musicians in folk and are respected for it, they still have very good crafters and we have politicians of them too. I guess I made it clear. It is the sorry fact that the main problem is their attitude as a social group, which is fueled by their hard-rooted beliefs and culture, which will always be forced into them as long as they are raised in their own family setting, like it is the guide to survival which they need. They are the ones missing the point: they'd just need to stand up and go for learning and work. They know it. They realised that the help they can get either way is enough for their getting on as usal. They feel it a success as whole and couldn't give less about it. As long as their welfare is given they are content, as soon as it is taken away or is linked to work or effort they agressively step up. Aginst everyone. This is Hungarian experience about it.
Hmm, I see. Boy do I look like a wide-eyed idealist prick.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;35091755]thisisspain run into gypsies.[/QUOTE] lol i spent a lot more time with gypsies than you have i can assure you that.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35100712]lol i spent a lot more time with gypsies than you have i can assure you that.[/QUOTE] Were they British gypsies or European gypsies? It seems that they are a lot worse in Europe then they are here.
There's two kinds of Gypsie: The Dirty Gypsie and the Hard Working Gypsie, guess which one is most common? They are darker skinned the farther east in Europe you go. In Ireland they're already white. Take it from me, I got jumped by Gypsies.
Gypsies killed my family and raped my dog. :(
Ever seen the show called "Gypsy Wedding"? Scum.
[QUOTE=Crash15;35103456]Ever seen the show called "Gypsy Wedding"? Scum.[/QUOTE] I had the misfortune of seeing it once. Made me cringe terribly.
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;35097422]Castle is on fire again, and Elementary school near it is in danger.[/QUOTE] You make it sound like we can actually do something about it, most of us are over a thousand kilometres away.
[QUOTE=ReligiousNutjob;35106834]You make it sound like we can actually do something about it, most of us are over a thousand kilometres away.[/QUOTE] Just like 99% of the stuff posted in the News subforum. He's just keeping the thread up to date.
i don't know if it was mentioned or not but the perpetrators were two local kids (11 and 12 years old,no mention if they were gypsy or not) who were trying to light a cigarette on top of the castle and ended up dropping a match in the grass. starting the fire 90% of the items were saved [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/11/krasna-horka-fire-smoking-children-slovakia-castle_n_1337606.html?icid=maing-grid10|htmlws-main-bb|dl1|sec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D142584[/url]
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