Racism is bad, okay. This doesn't have to do as much with racism as it does with stereotypes, though.
Also, they're eating cats, dogs... Everything.
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;35078706]They're not race, and they're not black either. It's like they're from India, but they look worse.[/QUOTE]
they're an ethnic group.
hating an ethnic group is racism.
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[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35078749]Racism is bad, okay. This doesn't have to do as much with racism as it does with stereotypes, though.[/QUOTE]
but stereotypes are one of the results of racism so yeah it does have something to do with racism.
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;35078744]I don't hate blacks, or asians, I just hate gypsies, because of what they are doing.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to hate black people to be racist, romas are just fine
Send them all to Detroit.
leave it to the retards to jump on the faux news bandwagon of "omg u criticized impoverished people u must be a crazy ron paul-like racist!!!"
I think it's fair to say that the way the Gypsies in the photos above live is not healthy at all
Not many Gypsies here in Sweden, but in Italy I remember there being quite a lot. First a single caravan arrived, then a few days after you wake up and some open space has been filled to the brim with their caravans. Then the stealing begins, if it isn't bolted to something it's going to disappear overnight (they also sometimes stab cats and dogs, for no fucking reason at all, not to forget abducting children).
Oh and 8 year olds with knives smoking at the side of the street everywhere.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35078788]leave it to the retards to jump on the faux news bandwagon of "omg u criticized impoverished people u must be a crazy ron paul-like racist!!!"[/QUOTE]
Calling them zoofiles and pedophiles who commit incest is "criticizing" them?
[QUOTE=Chrille;35078822]Calling them zoofiles and pedophiles who commit incest is "criticizing" them?[/QUOTE]
you missed his point
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;35078448]Yes, they do that... They're going trought bins in every town, and taking what pelope threw in bin.
Also, they're zoofils and pedofiles... In one village, which was basically just gipsy village, 4 year old has syfilis.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the anecdotal evidence, I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I wonder whether judging many many thousands of individuals is ethical or not.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35078840]you missed his point[/QUOTE]
the point in that post is stupid. You can't "criticize" a race.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35078840]you missed his point[/QUOTE]
seemed like a stereotype to me and nothing else
Seeing historical monuments and such getting destroyed is really painful.
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35078749]Racism is bad, okay. This doesn't have to do as much with racism as it does with stereotypes, though.[/QUOTE]
Stereotyping is pretty much the same thing as racism, just different parameters. Either way you're assuming the majority of an incredibly large group of people are criminalistic assholes.
[QUOTE=acds;35078796]Not many Gypsies here in Sweden, but in Italy I remember there being quite a lot. First a single caravan arrived, then a few days after you wake up and some open space has been filled to the brim with their caravans. Then the stealing begins, if it isn't bolted to something it's going to disappear overnight (they also sometimes stab cats and dogs, for no fucking reason at all, not to forget abducting children).
Oh and 8 year olds with knives smoking at the side of the street everywhere.[/QUOTE]
maybe if you + the rest of european society didn't discriminate against them the situation would be different.
Fucking Pikey's.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35078759]they're an ethnic group.
hating an ethnic group is racism.
[/QUOTE]
Well no. They're not hating the group because of their ethnicity but because of what they do, implying they can be "normal" people.
I do think putting all of them in the same basket is wrong though.
Judging individuals as a group is the logical thing for humans. There's just so many people of gypsy ethnicity that can't adapt to the ideas and views of the majority, the ones that have different views easily get burried underneath.
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35078878]maybe if you + the rest of european society didn't discriminate against them the situation would be different.[/QUOTE]
You obviously lack any inside view on this problem.
Why do people always bring race into the discussion instead of just saying prejudiced in general. Now all we're going to have is a petty argument about semantics.
they sell chainsaws at my town.
4 Hp for 400 Zloty!!!
400 zloty = 130 USD, though you could probably haggle it to 80.
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;35078655]Well, and this happens when their grandparents have incest sex, then their parent do the same, well, and they too.
[video=youtube;ip6jXcj8v-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip6jXcj8v-8[/video]
[video=youtube;QLgsAfs6BP0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLgsAfs6BP0[/video][/QUOTE]
Oh dear god what.
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35078911]Judging individuals as a group is the logical thing for humans.[/QUOTE]
Logical? Okay, here's some logic for you:
People make up a group. People have opposing viewpoints, but often have small amounts of similar ones that bind them with other people. Thus, people in a group do not all think the same things.
The only logical thing you can deduct from a group of Gypsies is that they are all Gypsies.
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[QUOTE=BradB;35078930]Why do people always bring race into the discussion instead of just saying prejudiced in general. Now all we're going to have is a petty argument about semantics.[/QUOTE]
Well it's still a stereotype that causes prejudice at the very least, so it may as well be racism.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35078878]maybe if you + the rest of european society didn't discriminate against them the situation would be different.[/QUOTE]
I've (and my fiancee) been followed and targeted by Gypsies in Estonia, even right out in public and I've seen how they're basically taught to work in groups. They refine their ways of theft down to an art and it's at a wholesale level -- mostly the younger guys. It's quote sickening that it's basically taught to them at a younger age and they don't grow out of it.
But as for homeless Romanian gypsies I don't know for sure how common that is.
I suspect everyone these days, you never know what might happen
[QUOTE=Kljunas;35078891]Well no. They're not hating the group because of their ethnicity but because of what they do, implying they can be "normal" people.
I do think putting all of them in the same basket is wrong though.[/QUOTE]
It's the same rhetoric used against blacks in the US during the '60s. "I don't hate black people, they just commit lots of crimes so I hate the majority of black people".
Also,
[quote]
According to the information of the Slovak TV JOJ, the fire was [B]possibly[/B] started by ethnic Gypsie Children children. [/quote]
You guys are basing this information on a [b]TV[/b] station that said it was [b]possibly[/b] them.
I'm going to just leave this here:
[media]www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLz5YX2oa-I[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSSGw8E21s8&feature=related[/media]
yeah, gypsies burning down a castle doesn't really surprise me.
[QUOTE=Cone;35078951]Logical? Okay, here's some logic for you:
People make up a group. People have opposing viewpoints, but often have small amounts of similar ones that bind them with other people. Thus, people in a group do not all think the same things.
The only logical thing you can deduct from a group of Gypsies is that they are all Gypsies.
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Well it's still a stereotype that causes prejudice at the very least, so it may as well be racism.[/QUOTE]
It's logical as in it's easier to talk about them as a group, when the majority has really strong presence, than to talk about every single individual. Grouping things is a natural function of the human brain.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35078878]maybe if you + the rest of european society didn't discriminate against them the situation would be different.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah they moved into town, illegally occupying a public place (and defending it with violence, you try to go in there and you'll see), stealing, stabbing and abducting and it's obviously our fault, even though no-one had ever even interacted with them before.
No-one is forcing them to move around and live of stealing, they do so of their own accord and teach their children to do the same (some break off and lead a normal life of course, but no-one has anything against those). They're nomads, it doesn't fit well with today's society and economical system, which leads to poverty, which leads to crime, but it's their choice to remain nomadic.
Also I don't care about your economic and social situation, it will never justify kidnapping children, locking them in cages by night and using them to steal by day (not saying all Gypsies do that, but it has happened, on several occasions).
FUCKING PIKEYS!!! :argh:
They also took my dads ladder and stole all the wheels from our cars.
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;35078365]They're doing that all time, almost every white Slovak person hates them, but not because their color of skin, but because of what they are doing. They don't work, yet they get money from state, because they have like 20 children and they're getting social benefits (like 655 $, and just because they have 20 kids) because they are unemployed and have kids.
And yet, they're getting free houses and STATE is PAYING THEM, to send kids to school, in which they have free food and things that you need for school.
That's not racism, that's because they get things for free, and they're wasting them, and destroying them.[/QUOTE]
Shit, thats a pretty fucking valid reason to hate them.
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35078993]It's logical as in it's easier to talk about them as a group, when the majority has really strong presence, than to talk about every single individual. Grouping things is a natural function of the human brain.[/QUOTE]
So you mean it's easier to do that, rather than logical? Because if it were logical, you would accept that the people composing groups do not equal the groups themselves and don't really represent them enough for you to be able to safely judge the whole of them.
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