[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35079260]itt reddit taught me racism is bad even though I've never dealt with this concept before[/QUOTE]
Don't fucking tell me I've never dealt with other races before.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35079271]"oh that poor castle" is say as I justify the sort of racial hatred that lead to the murder of a hundreds of thousands of roma in the holocaust.
you mean like the bigots that are all posting in this thread?[/QUOTE]
Oh, I just though that Tailor was trying to post something that's actually on-topic.
IF we were being or spreading racism the mods would of already swooped in and started banning everyone. Either they agree how bad gypsies are, or they have not gotten to this thread yet.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35079276]What's your deal today? Were you saved by a gypsy as a small child or something? As an American I have a very outsider perspective on this, so are there any good incidents with Gypsies?
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there doesn't need to be "good incidents" for racism not not be ok. It's fucking not. Under no circumstances anywhere in the world is racism justifiable.
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I'm so ignorant on this :([/QUOTE]
well don't listen to any of the people posting in this thread because they're all a bunch of unrepentant bigots.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;35079264]Rednecks aren't even this bad. They're normally just bigots.[/QUOTE]
Technically you're thinking hick, rednecks are usually fine, in fact by normal standards the majority of my friends back home would be considered rednecks. They're called rednecks because they develop sun burn on their neck from working outside all day.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35079276]What's your deal today? Were you saved by a gypsy as a small child or something? As an American I have a very outsider perspective on this, so are there any good incidents with Gypsies?
Also, if Romanian Gypsies are different than normal gypsies, that'd be awesome because I like Romanian Gypsy music.
I'm so ignorant on this :([/QUOTE]
Gypsy music has incredible rhytm and general pace to it. I love it.
[video=youtube;C2WQfL3E3Mc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2WQfL3E3Mc&feature=related[/video]
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35079276]What's your deal today? Were you saved by a gypsy as a small child or something? As an American I have a very outsider perspective on this, so are there any good incidents with Gypsies?
Also, if Romanian Gypsies are different than normal gypsies, that'd be awesome because I like Romanian Gypsy music.
I'm so ignorant on this :([/QUOTE]
I've had a quite a few good experiences with Irish and Romani gypsies, some very friendly people. I tend to get a bit defensive around this subject on account of the fact that back in the 40s and 30s I would have been forced into cattlecars right alongside these guys
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35079309]there doesn't need to be "good incidents" for racism not not be ok. It's fucking not. Under no circumstances anywhere in the world is racism justifiable.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that, I'm just asking if there have been good incidents with these people. It's like with Mexicans here. Sure, you have people who complain about them a lot, but their culture is rich and their people beautiful and kind (most of them). I'm just wondering if it's the same?
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35079276]What's your deal today? Were you saved by a gypsy as a small child or something? As an American I have a very outsider perspective on this, so are there any good incidents with Gypsies?[/QUOTE]
Well my family has Gypsy lines going all through it, and I can guarantee 90% of my family are the nicest people I've ever met.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35079331]I'm just wondering if it's the same?[/QUOTE]
I know plenty of nice gypsy people.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35078878]maybe if you + [b]the rest of european society[/b] didn't discriminate against them[/QUOTE]
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but stereotypes are one of the results of racism so yeah it does have something to do with racism.[/QUOTE]
You hate stereotypes, yet you stereotype Europe to be this bad, discriminating continent.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35079331]I'm not saying that, I'm just asking if there have been good incidents with these people. It's like with Mexicans here. Sure, you have people who complain about them a lot, but their culture is rich and their people beautiful and kind (most of them). I'm just wondering if it's the same?[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, of course there's good people. There's [I]always[/I] good people.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35079331]I'm not saying that, I'm just asking if there have been good incidents with these people. It's like with Mexicans here. Sure, you have people who complain about them a lot, but their culture is rich and their people beautiful and kind (most of them). I'm just wondering if it's the same?[/QUOTE]
anyone can be good and kind but (speaking generally here) the discrimination against the roma in europe is a lot, lot worse than it is against hispanic immigrants in the US
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[QUOTE=Chekko;35079350]You hate stereotypes, yet you stereotype Europe to be this bad, discriminating continent.[/QUOTE]
lol don't try to pull that entry level stuff. society does not equal race.
"how dare you discriminate against my right to discriminate against this group of people [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-qq.gif[/img]"
[QUOTE=Cone;35079340]Well my family has Gypsy lines going all through it, and I can guarantee 90% of my family are the nicest people I've ever met.[/QUOTE]
So wait, this is apparently optimistic, yet when you guys say "90% of the Gypsies are scummy people" it's perfectly true?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35079355]anyone can be good and kind but (speaking generally here) the discrimination against the roma in europe is a lot, lot worse than it is against hispanic immigrants in the US
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lol don't try to pull that entry level stuff. society does not equal race.[/QUOTE]
Jesus that's pretty bad then. Aren't there any groups or societies they've formed to combat that?
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35079355]anyone can be good and kind but (speaking generally here) the discrimination against the roma in europe is a lot, lot worse than it is against hispanic immigrants in the US
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lol don't try to pull that entry level stuff. society does not equal race.[/QUOTE]
Also they aren't Hispanic, Hispanic is South America. Common thing, they are Mexican and don't want to be known as Hispanic :)
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35079355]the discrimination against the roma in europe is a lot, lot worse than it is against hispanic immigrants in the US[/quote]
It most certainly is. It's doesn't seem to be caused by the people who discriminate, as much as it is by the behaviour of the discriminated.
By the looks of it, as far as cigáns care, the concept of racism and discrimination against them as a race is a good way for them to get what they want.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35079396]Jesus that's pretty bad then. Aren't there any groups or societies they've formed to combat that?[/QUOTE]
Not that I know of. I wouldn't put it out of mind that someone's stopped them from doing so.
[QUOTE=Chekko;35079350]You hate stereotypes, yet you stereotype Europe to be this bad, discriminating continent.[/QUOTE]
if you're going to pull that sort of first grade bullshit you should know it's pretty accurate on the whole, do we need to start posting some scholarly work here because i've got a laundry list of it
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35079409]It most certainly is. It's doesn't seem to be caused by the people who discriminate, as much as it is by the behaviour of the discriminated.[/QUOTE]
"gypsies are scum because they are scum"
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35079396]Jesus that's pretty bad then. Aren't there any groups or societies they've formed to combat that?
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[url]http://www.errc.org/[/url]
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[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35079409]It most certainly is. It's doesn't seem to be caused by the people who discriminate, as much as it is by the behaviour of the discriminated.[/QUOTE]
HOW DO YOU NOT REALIZE WHAT IS WRONG WITH WHAT YOU JUST POSTED?
How are you oblivious to the fact that "its their fault we hate them" is the fucking central argument used by all racists everywhere since the dawn of time to justify their racism?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35079425][url]http://www.errc.org/[/url][/QUOTE]
That site seems to be a good representation of what the problem looks like on the outside to me.
Sure, maybe it's racist but when I did an internship at a supermarket there was a wall with security cam pistures of people who shoplift there. Over half of them were gypsies.
Keep in mind there's a very small amount of gypsies here.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35079355]anyone can be good and kind but (speaking generally here) the discrimination against the roma in europe is a lot, lot worse than it is against hispanic immigrants in the US
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[B]lol don't try to pull that entry level stuff.[/B] society does not equal race.
"how dare you discriminate against my right to discriminate against this group of people [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-qq.gif[/img]"[/QUOTE]
Watch out guys, high level badass debater here, don't try to use any argument that isn't hidden behind 500 lines of rhetoric, analogies, hyperboles and metaphors.
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HOW DO YOU NOT REALIZE WHAT IS WRONG WITH WHAT YOU JUST POSTED?
How are you oblivious to the fact that "its their fault we hate them" is the fucking central argument used by all racists everywhere since the dawn of time to justify their racism?[/QUOTE]
There most certainly is truth in what you're saying. I say this isn't about racism, though. Racism is the concept of hating someone based on their race. People are not fond of them not because of their race. It's the behaviour.
[QUOTE=Eric95;35079452]Sure, maybe it's racist but when I did an internship at a supermarket there was a wall with security cam pistures of people who shoplift there. Over half of them were gypsies.
Keep in mind there's a very small amount of gypsies here.[/QUOTE]
maybe if you and the rest of your society stopped being racist and denying them opportunities they wouldn't have to shoplift, eh?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35079487]maybe if you and the rest of your society stopped being racist and denying them opportunities they wouldn't have to shoplift, eh?[/QUOTE]
Hardly anyone over here denies their opportunities based on their race. The company managers wouldn't hire a white person who is clearly irresponsible just as a black person.
is this going to be another thread full of confusion because nobody knows what people mean by gypsies
like the last thread on this sort of thing when everyone was crying "IT'S RACIST" when people were talking about travellers, and not gypsies.
because in the UK, gypsy can also mean traveller, as well as romani.
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35079514]Hardly anyone over here denies their opportunities based on their race. The company managers wouldn't hire a white person who is clearly irresponsible just as a black person.[/QUOTE]
biggest lie of the century. employment discrimination exists everywhere.
[QUOTE=Eric95;35079452]Sure, maybe it's racist but when I did an internship at a supermarket there was a wall with security cam pistures of people who shoplift there. Over half of them were gypsies.
Keep in mind there's a very small amount of gypsies here.[/QUOTE]
poor people everywhere steal food. it's kinda necessary to, yknow, survive.
gov'ts that have proper welfare programs and create not only a web of support strong enough to sustain the poor but to bring them above poverty actually get to see reductions in stuff like that :~)
also there's the whole thing that minorities tend to be disproportionately prosecuted in courts (this does not just pertain to america)
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35079514]Hardly anyone over here denies their opportunities based on their race.[/QUOTE]
Yet you assume most of them are thieves and paedophiles. I'm pretty certain that's discrimination.
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