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[QUOTE=teh pirate;35079905]I didn't realize it was an unknown. It's a pretty extreme assumption to make. Still, nobody here is referring to the races that compose the term "gypsy" - just the people who live the criminal nomadic lifestyle.[/QUOTE] Depends from where you're coming from. In the majority of Euro countries (probably with the exception of the UK) when you talk about gypsies you tend to talk about Roma (or cikan, cikani and a couple of other terms). Gypsies in the UK though tend to be people living that nomadic lifestyle. [QUOTE=Big Bang;35080150]UGH, how come you folk don't realize that what you're describing as the situation with "gypsies" is the same for any racial minority anywhere. Any oppressed and segregated minority lives in substandard conditions, have a big problem with crime, and are treated like garbage. There's NOTHING special about the gypsies in relation to other minorities, the problem is that the places you live are entirely racially homogeneous. So stop trying to say it's not a race issue when it IS a race issue cause if it were people from the same racial group as the majority they would be just CRIMINALS, and that would be what you'd be calling them.[/QUOTE] The difference being, that there has been an absolutely stagerring amount of cash funneled into various iniciatives that have tried to improve the standing of the group as well as get them into normal conditions. They tend to collapse on themselves though. Not because of authorities but because of the group itself. Seriously the size of those programs is incompareable to specialy ethnic programs in the US for instance.
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35080160]Being a gypsy doesn't have anything to do with being a criminal. Other than that it's common.[/QUOTE] Right, so perhaps you'll be a bit less quick to judge in the future?
[QUOTE=Big Bang;35080150]UGH, how come you folk don't realize that what you're describing as the situation with "gypsies" is the same for any racial minority anywhere. Any oppressed and segregated minority lives in substandard conditions, have a big problem with crime, and are treated like garbage. There's NOTHING special about the gypsies in relation to other minorities, the problem is that the places you live are entirely racially homogeneous. So stop trying to say it's not a race issue when it IS a race issue cause if it were people from the same racial group as the majority they would be just CRIMINALS, and that would be what you'd be calling them.[/QUOTE] I fucking hate this bullshit about gypsies being a racial minority, as if they're their own race or something. What you fail to realise is that people aren't judging them based on who they are, where they come from etc. but purely on what they do. Gypsies have been a plague on numerous countries for such a long time that I find it insulting for you to stick up for them. They bring absolutely nothing to any community that they encounter and instead reap benefits off anything and everything they can find.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;35080267]And THIS, is what I'm trying to tell you all along. If a white guy had the same tattoo, mustache and glasses than the guy on the picture, he would be a douchebag. Because he is not white and belongs to the Romani ethnic group, he's a gypsy. The implication that somebody is a gypsy necessarily implies that this person is also ethnically Romani.[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't. You're assuming that gypsies are all Romani. They aren't. If a bunch of white people decided to live this lifestyle they'd be called gypsies, too. Again, Irish gypsies.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;35080267]The implication that somebody is a gypsy necessarily implies that this person is also ethnically Romani.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it does over here - if we're translating this properly - Romani - Rómovia, gypsies - cigáni. [QUOTE=wraithcat;35080271] Gypsies in the UK though tend to be people living that nomadic lifestyle. [/QUOTE] I wasn't aware of such wider meaning of the word gypsy. Now I know, thanks.
To the post earlier about gypsies in the US, no, there aren't any; however there are Indians. Thank fuck they aren't nearly as poor and depraved as the gypsies across the lake but they're still in pretty shitty condition.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;35080267]And THIS, is what I'm trying to tell you all along. If a white guy had the same tattoo, mustache and glasses than the guy on the picture, he would be a douchebag. Because he is not white and belongs to the Romani ethnic group, he's a gypsy. The implication that somebody is a gypsy necessarily implies that this person is also ethnically Romani.[/QUOTE] Yeah but it's like black gang culture, if someone says they don't like black gang culture, that doesn't mean they hate blacks.
Well i'm from England and the Gypsies we have here all either directly from Ireland or descended from Gypsies who have come here earlier. So no, not all gypsies are Romani.
[QUOTE=Cone;35080276]Right, so perhaps you'll be a bit less quick to judge in the future?[/QUOTE] I don't think I've ever said that gypsies = criminals here. Did I? If so, I failed to formulate my thoughts properly.
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35080320]I don't think I've ever said that gypsies = criminals here. Did I? If so, I failed to formulate my thoughts.[/QUOTE] You pretty much said "Gypsies ruin fucking everything and 90% of them are criminals"
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35080291]Yeah, it does over here - if we're translating this properly - Romani - Rómovia, gypsies - cigáni. I am not aware of the usage of these words in other countries. There seem to be some sort of language barrier taking part in this problem, too, reading teh pirate's post. I wasn't aware of such wider meaning of the word gypsy.[/QUOTE] The English word gypsy was originally used to describe people thought to be Egyptian. :v:
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;35078655]Well, and this happens when their grandparents have incest sex, then their parent do the same, well, and they too. [video=youtube;ip6jXcj8v-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip6jXcj8v-8[/video] [video=youtube;QLgsAfs6BP0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLgsAfs6BP0[/video][/QUOTE] Hahaha what the actual fuck? Could someone explain how not introducing new genes can cause this? I know the gist but how and why does it happen?
[QUOTE=Cone;35080342]You pretty much said "Gypsies ruin fucking everything and 90% of them are criminals"[/QUOTE] Majority of the gypsy ethnic group takes part in vandalism and most of them are criminals. Yes, I did. That's different from saying that all[I][/I] of them are the same.
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35080372]Most of the gypsies take part in vandalism and most of them are criminals. Yes, I did. That's different from saying that all[I][/I] of them are the same.[/QUOTE] If you're using the word gypsy to refer to Romani people specifically you're definitely in the wrong. I was under the impression that we were using it as a general term.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;35080387]If you're using the word gypsy to refer to Romani people specifically you're definitely in the wrong. I was under the impression that we were using it as a general term.[/QUOTE] I think it has a tad different meaning here. I am now not sure if gypsy is the same as cigán/cikán. Or maybe it's just my limited knowledge. Until now I didn't know there even were these "irish" gypsies you mentioned. Now I know gypsy can refer to not romani people. TIL
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;35080372]Majority of the gypsy ethnic group takes part in vandalism and most of them are criminals. Yes, I did. That's different from saying that all[I][/I] of them are the same.[/QUOTE] Now that is racism, it really is.
This thread in summary, "you are racist! NO! You are racist! No it's you!"
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35080421]Now that is racism, it really is.[/QUOTE] No no no, I don't believe they should be treated differently because of their race. I am just making assumptions based on my experience. Most of the gypsy people I've met live such lifestyle. I don't really see what's so racist about that? "Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination."
[QUOTE=Appolox;35080457]This thread in summary, "you are racist! NO! You are racist! No it's you!"[/QUOTE] Don't generalize an entire group of posters based on the actions of a few, you racist.
[QUOTE=Appolox;35080457]This thread in summary, "you are racist! NO! You are racist! No it's you!"[/QUOTE] Gypsies are just such a difficult subject that really blurs the lines of racism.
Hey guys can anyone provide me a source relating to Gypsy people kidnapping children?
okay, you are all extremely bloody confused i can see that completely. you're trying to make the subject extremely black & white gypsy or non gypsy which is completely immature. just because you're from England doesn't mean you have the right to call gypsies in other places the same thing you call a "gypsy" in your home country. Gypsies in Slovakia live in completely different situations. a little history of gypsies in Slovakia: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/03/world/the-gypsies-of-slovakia-despised-and-despairing.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm[/url] in Slovakia, they bloody hate gypsies, a lot. extreme ethnic hatred. it's historical. In world War 2 during the Nazi occupation thousands of jews and gypsies alike were slaughtered and the hatred did not stop after the nazi occupation at all. The OP hates Gypsies, not the travelers, not the "pikeys", the ethnic group known as Romani and again a lot of them were murdered in cold blood.
All I know is wherever their caravans go, kids get beaten up and mugged by gypsy kids, shit gets broken, shit get's set on fire, shit get's stolen, and they are a fucking plague to wherever they go. They are parasites who do nothing but bad for society. Maybe I am racist, maybe I am not, but I outright hate them for what they do. Anyone who defends them clearly never had to deal with them before.
[QUOTE=Mr. N;35080521]Anyone who defends them clearly never had to deal with them before.[/QUOTE] bullshit excuse. i've lived with british gypsies in my youth because i was so amazingly interested in them. i wanted to write a whole book about them. you can dehumanize them all you want but they are exactly the same people as you or I. they cheat, steal, rape, and kill, something which i've also seen a lot of white british people do. so it's an insult to humanity when you draw a boundary like that.
[QUOTE=Mr. N;35080521]All I know is wherever their caravans go, kids get beaten up and mugged by gypsy kids, shit gets broken, shit get's set on fire, shit get's stolen, and they are a fucking plague to wherever they go. They are parasites who do nothing but bad for society. Maybe I am racist, maybe I am not, but I outright hate them for what they do. Anyone who defends them clearly never had to deal with them before.[/QUOTE] or is one of them.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35080516] The OP hates Gypsies, not the travelers, not the "pikeys", the ethnic group known as Romani and again a lot of them were murdered in cold blood.[/QUOTE] I think I can speak for him when I say nah
[QUOTE=Mr. N;35080521]They are parasites who do nothing but bad for society. [B]Anyone who defends them clearly never had to deal with them before.[/B][/QUOTE] This.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35080564]bullshit excuse. i've lived with british gypsies in my youth because i was so amazingly interested in them. i wanted to write a whole book about them. you can dehumanize them all you want but they are exactly the same people as you or I. they cheat, steal, rape, and kill, something which i've also seen a lot of white british people do. so it's an insult to humanity when you draw a boundary like that.[/QUOTE] What haven't you done in your life? You seem to have done everything.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35080564]bullshit excuse. i've lived with british gypsies in my youth because i was so amazingly interested in them. i wanted to write a whole book about them. you can dehumanize them all you want but they are exactly the same people as you or I. they cheat, steal, rape, and kill, something which i've also seen a lot of white british people do. so it's an insult to humanity when you draw a boundary like that.[/QUOTE] You can't compare (gypsy) people over there in Britain and here.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35080585]What haven't you done in your life? You seem to have done everything.[/QUOTE] you think i just sat behind a computer my whole life?
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