• ESA's Planck telescope yields evidence of universes beyond our own
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Isn't it true that if you go far enough in one direction, you'll end up back where you began? -- I know we can't observe "outside", but that's the point-- there could be one and we just not see it(i.e. the universe is expanding)
[QUOTE=Map in a box;40761930]Isn't it true that if you go far enough in one direction, you'll end up back where you began?[/QUOTE] We don't actually know for sure. Current cosmological models allow for the universe to be infinite. (in fact, it seems like it might be. The universe is very flat on large distance scales)
From the Big Bang, you'd assume it wouldn't be infinite considering it all started from a tiny point
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;40761921]No. The mathematical structures we use to describe spacetime can be curved without needing any reference to an "outside" that they are embedded in. We can look out their curvature without needing a higher dimension to work with.[/QUOTE] how should i consume this information 1) I can't accept it because I can't comprehend how a shaped object can be defined without something outside it or 2) I don't like it but I'll accept it because fuck, science is weird and it seems like basic rules are easily contradicted in the abstract of the very small and the very large
What people consider the universe is not a shaped object, but a "container" per say, it has no outside, the universe is that. But this article challenges that.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;40762097]From the Big Bang, you'd assume it wouldn't be infinite considering it all started from a tiny point[/QUOTE] The universe isnt infinite given any point in time but is always expanding.
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;40762115]how should i consume this information 1) I can't accept it because I can't comprehend how a shaped object can be defined without something outside it or 2) I don't like it but I'll accept it because fuck, science is weird and it seems like basic rules are easily contradicted in the abstract of the very small and the very large[/QUOTE] 2) and/or read up on manifolds
The multiverse theory... Probably my favorite theory ever. The implication that an infinite number of universes with an infinite amount of variables that decide the fate of every last one of them. Imagine what would happen if the Creta–Paleogene extinction never happened. Some variation of dinosaur might've been the ruling species. Quite beautiful. [editline]24th May 2013[/editline] I'm curious how our universe is separated from the others. Are we just attached to eachother? Or is there a tiny space between each universe... ... a void? [t]http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Tennant-3D-glasses.jpg[/t]
what makes them other universes? why aren't they just part of ours?
bubbles ;) each has tons of bubbles inside and each is universe ... some grow, some shrink, some explode, some collapse, some stall ...
[QUOTE=MahBroAdolf;40765915]what makes them other universes? why aren't they just part of ours?[/QUOTE] Dude we can't have everything, gosh, don't be so greedy.
[QUOTE=MahBroAdolf;40765915]what makes them other universes? why aren't they just part of ours?[/QUOTE] Different spacetime
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40765887]The multiverse theory... Probably my favorite theory ever. The implication that an infinite number of universes with an infinite amount of variables that decide the fate of every last one of them. Imagine what would happen if the Creta–Paleogene extinction never happened. Some variation of dinosaur might've been the ruling species.[/QUOTE] so, theoretically.. there would be one universe where the christian god exists? so doesn't that mean that god actually exists? christians 1 atheists 0
[QUOTE=Zethereal;40768055]so, theoretically.. there would be one universe where the christian god exists? so doesn't that mean that god actually exists? christians 1 atheists 0[/QUOTE] Not to drag religion into this but why would you assume that a God would only exist in a single verse yet is assumed to be an immortal all-seeing deity? And to answer your question, no. There could be. There is zero guarantee there would be.
These spots are just artifacts from when the code for our simulation was started. Kind of an I/O error in the code of the universe.we are just one in an uncountably infinite set of simulations with different laws of physics and relative strength of the forces. There is no way to discern the simulation from the "real" universe. Enjoy the rest of your emulated lives!
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;40766097]Different spacetime[/QUOTE] Out of curiosity, if there were an infinite number of universes, wouldn't they all have to be contained in something as well (not unlike galaxies in our universe, but on a more complicated scale)? Would we be able to go into this "something" at all outside from all the universes or is that impossible? Also, wouldn't it be possible that this "something" is only one of yet again an infinite number of it?
[QUOTE=Mike Tyson;40725246]Here's a cool image for the size of the universe. Linked because fucking huge [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Earth's_Location_in_the_Universe_(JPEG).jpg[/url][/QUOTE] this is amazing
[QUOTE=frozensoda;40768543]These spots are just artifacts from when the code for our simulation was started. Kind of an I/O error in the code of the universe.we are just one in an uncountably infinite set of simulations with different laws of physics and relative strength of the forces. There is no way to discern the simulation from the "real" universe. Enjoy the rest of your emulated lives![/QUOTE] But all reality that is relevant is that we can perceive, therefore a simulation is no less real.
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;40768942]Out of curiosity, if there were an infinite number of universes, wouldn't they all have to be contained in something as well (not unlike galaxies in our universe, but on a more complicated scale)? Would we be able to go into this "something" at all outside from all the universes or is that impossible? Also, wouldn't it be possible that this "something" is only one of yet again an infinite number of it?[/QUOTE] This is why I defined a fourth dimension, 't' in one of my previous posts (X, Y, Z, t) where verses are stored in different times, as well. This is why time travel can more or less lead to accessibility of a hypothesized multiverse, because if you interfere with another verse through time travel you have created another verse outside of the one you intended to return to.
[QUOTE=Mike Tyson;40725246]Here's a cool image for the size of the universe. Linked because fucking huge [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Earth's_Location_in_the_Universe_(JPEG).jpg[/url][/QUOTE] I don't know if I am wrong or not, but, isn't the last photo way off? I thought our entire universe was ever expanding. Or is that what we as humans can see?
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;40769417]I don't know if I am wrong or not, but, isn't the last photo way off? I thought our entire universe was ever expanding. Or is that what we as humans can see?[/QUOTE] That's what we can observe from Earth, including through approximation.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40769061]But all reality that is relevant is that we can perceive, therefore a simulation is no less real.[/QUOTE] that's what I say to nihilists
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40769061]But all reality that is relevant is that we can perceive, therefore a simulation is no less real.[/QUOTE] maybe quantum happens because someone forgot to turn on universe anti-aliasing
Different laws of physics? What, why? Where does it mention that? Where would they even get this from? Wouldn't even make sense if the only evidence supporting this theory is our own laws of physics anyways. And I don't really understand how this implicates infinite universes. Just because we found another one doesn't mean that there's an infinite number of them. And this also doesn't state "alternate universes", or the fact that the same events slightly changed would be happening at the same time on other universes as on ours. And using "infinity" as a number in equations works about as well as dividing by zero.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;40770065]Different laws of physics? What, why? Where does it mention that? Where would they even get this from? Wouldn't even make sense if the only evidence supporting this theory is our own laws of physics anyways. And I don't really understand how this implicates infinite universes. Just because we found another one doesn't mean that there's an infinite number of them. And this also doesn't state "alternate universes", or the fact that the same events slightly changed would be happening at the same time on other universes as on ours. And using "infinity" as a number in equations works about as well as dividing by zero.[/QUOTE] The reason there could be a potential amount of infinite verses is because if one is tampered with by someone from a separate verse, it creates a third verse. Now if someone from that third verse tampers with the original verse,, that creates a fourth verse. There's a fifth verse where the person doesn't even go to the second verse to create all of those verses and remains in his own verse. This is why it is assumed there are infinite verses assuming there is a multiverse. Also, it does imply that there would be alternate verses, because the article states that our own verse was being tugged at by other verses when it underwent the Big Bang meaning those verses had already formed enough to create such a pull.
[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;40770199]The reason there could be a potential amount of infinite verses is because if one is tampered with by someone from a separate verse, it creates a third verse. Now if someone from that third verse tampers with the original verse,, that creates a fourth verse. There's a fifth verse where the person doesn't even go to the second verse to create all of those verses and remains in his own verse. [/QUOTE] What That makes no sense at all.
[QUOTE=Eltro102;40769631]maybe quantum happens because someone forgot to turn on universe anti-aliasing[/QUOTE] The speed of light is there so that we can't get somewhere before the textures load.
We are so fucking small. I'm scared now.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;40770238]What That makes no sense at all.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/30qHH.png[/img] Squares are where branches of different verses start. Circles are where tampering occurs and creates a branch (although an unlimited amount of things can happen once tampered with). The arrow points to the new verse that is created. This can continue on for an infinite amount of branches. Here's a step by step of what's happening: Verse 1 is our verse. Verse 1 observes Verse 2. ALT: Verse 1 does not observe Verse 2 This creates Verse 6 Verse 2 observes then tampers with Verse 1. This creates Verse 3. ALT: Verse 2 does not tamper with Verse 1 This creates Verse 7 Verse 3 observes then tampers with Verse 1. This creates Verse 5. Etc.
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