[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48901237]RIAA being money greedy cunts? What's next, the grass is green and the sky is blue? [I]Preposterous[/I]![/QUOTE]
What a lovely low-effort post to bank in on RIAA hate.
They're greedy and abusive, but that doesn't vindicate Aurous
Aurous may be in the wrong, but the RIAA asking for millions in damages is factually wrong
Holy shit, they did not wait to pounce on this. I'm not totally surprised, though.
But the difference here and popcorn time is that it acually uses legal places to find the music and just reroutes it to the player.
aurous is a steaming pile of shit anyway
[QUOTE=Soleeedus;48901773]auruous is a steaming pile of shit anyway[/QUOTE]
It's really not though
ITT: Nobody knows how terrible the RIAA is.
The artist isn't losing out on anything, even if you go out and buy the album there's still theft going on, the RIAA\Labels stealing from the artist. You can either A) Buy the music, support the Label\RIAA and the artist gets shafted, or B) Get the music through other means, and shaft the RIAA\Label along with the artist who would be shafted anyway. Want to support the artist? Go to a show and buy a shirt, I can almost guarantee you that shirt sale is the only thing they're making more than a few cents off of unless they aren't signed.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48901786]It's really not though[/QUOTE]
it takes forever to search and play songs, it needs to update every time it's launched (which also takes forever), the client hangs and exceptions during search
[t]http://soleedus.me/i/Exception_Dialog_2015-10-14_14-26-58.png[/t]
i'm not sure how you managed to have a good experience with it, but youtube w/adblock is a better alternative anyway
[QUOTE=Asgard;48900224][URL]https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-sues-popcorn-time-for-music-151013/[/URL][/QUOTE]
here's what i don't get
if the service has been going on for two days, and even though it's total bullshit, how can they claim MILLIONS in damage? ok I could maybe understand a couple thousand but that's just some russian-type style bullshit they're pulling there.
hope it gets thrown out
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;48901965]here's what i don't get
if the service has been going on for two days, and even though it's total bullshit, how can they claim MILLIONS in damage? ok I could maybe understand a couple thousand but that's just some russian-type style bullshit they're pulling there.
hope it gets thrown out[/QUOTE]
They do it all the time. They also get away with it all the time. That's the the EFF exists, but against the RIAA there isn't much they can do.
[QUOTE=bitches;48901465]What a lovely low-effort post to bank in on RIAA hate.
They're greedy and abusive, but that doesn't vindicate Aurous[/QUOTE]
How about all the people they've literally bankrupted through ridiculous lawsuits? You know, on top of all the money they take from the artist.
[QUOTE=catbarf;48900264]If it's true and they're offering music that isn't actually licensed, or is being used in a context where its licensing isn't valid, then it's no surprise they're getting hit with a lawsuit. But I guess the RIAA will always be the bad guy because people want free stuff, legally or not.[/QUOTE]
The RIAA makes millions off of music while a lot of decent artists who haven't hit the top 100 get shafted. In reality they need the money more than Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber.
The media has also supported PIPA/SOPA, along with the TPP which is basically SOPA/PIPA 2.1.
In this case the media constantly wrongs the internet with ambiguous terms that can be used for political leverage, then whines when they're "wronged" on a legal basis. Technically they're in the right, but regardless it's a biased legal system.
[quote]However, in comments posted to Twitter tonight, Sampson seems unfazed.
...
“Hey @RIAA @UMG and everyone else, we challenge every CEO to an arm wrestling competition, we win you drop your empty suit.”[/quote]
:v:
Reminds me of the Notch/Bethesda lawsuit:
[quote] "I challenge Bethesda to a game of Quake 3. Three of our best warriors against three of your best warriors," Notch writes. "We select one level, your select the other, we randomize the order. 20 minute matches, highest total frag count per team across both levels wins."
"If we win, you drop the lawsuit. If you win, we will change the name of Scrolls to something you're fine with." [/quote]
[QUOTE=CjienX;48902148]How about all the people they've literally bankrupted through ridiculous lawsuits? You know, on top of all the money they take from the artist.[/QUOTE]
this has so little to do with the post you quoted that the post you quoted serves as an appropriate response to your post
[QUOTE=bitches;48902590]this has so little to do with the post you quoted that the post you quoted serves as an appropriate response to your post[/QUOTE]
It was a direct response to your saying that it doesn't vindicate Aurous. Explain how exactly how a direct response has "so little to do" with what it's in response to?
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48902117]I'm not planning on banking on anything, I really just don't like them because most of the time it appears they're after their own interestes instead of trying to defend the poor artists and authors they so claim to be doing
[editline]14th October 2015[/editline]
So is your post, lol[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48901237]RIAA being money greedy cunts? What's next, the grass is green and the sky is blue? [I]Preposterous[/I]![/QUOTE]
heh you're such a good poster can i get some advice
[QUOTE=_jesterk;48900369]except it's not??
they avoid legal persecution because their streaming of torrent files is legal. the RIAA is slamming them with a massive lawsuit for the sole purpose of putting the creator into debt via legal fees. they're a bunch of self-righteous cunts who manipulate the legal system to get 'revenge' on file sharers.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't actually work. If you win a case and the RIAA can't prove the damages caused to a significant degree, they actually have to pay your legal fees as well. (given that you use the standard legal fees costs)
[QUOTE=wraithcat;48902672]That doesn't actually work. If you win a case and the RIAA can't prove the damages caused to a significant degree, they actually have to pay your legal fees as well. (given that you use the standard legal fees costs)[/QUOTE]
this isn't the case in many jurisdictions and can vary by US state
[editline]14th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=CjienX;48902631]It was a direct response to your saying that it doesn't vindicate Aurous. Explain how exactly how a direct response has "so little to do" with what it's in response to?[/QUOTE]
i said that abuses committed by the RIAA are irrelevant as to if aurous is doing something illegal
you said that the RIAA has committed many abuses, as if that statement alone is a rebuttal to my point
you are irrelevant
it seems i don't understand the situation. is aurorus actually legal?
[QUOTE=Trixil;48902748]it seems i don't understand the situation. is aurorus actually legal?[/QUOTE]
It was in theory, but apparently a pirate service was added to their aggregate system and that lapse of fact checking/quality assurance is REALLY bad for them.
if i make software that literally lists all youtube music videos and searches for them while streaming them from youtube is it legal or illegal? because that's basically automated adblock+youtube
[QUOTE]“Like Grokster, Limewire or Grooveshark, it is neither licensed nor legal. We will not allow such a service to [B]willfully trample the rights of music creators.[/B]”[/QUOTE]
Hahah, that's a good one RIAA. Good to see you have some moral stance on things and no financial investment in it.
[QUOTE=eirexe;48902793]if i make software that literally lists all youtube music videos and searches for them while streaming them from youtube is it legal or illegal? because that's basically automated adblock+youtube[/QUOTE]
no, but the content on youtube may be licensed and label companies can control what is or is not on yt (i.e. through copyright strikes, hijacked monetization). the RIAA cannot control nor monetize aurous's content
[editline]14th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48902785]Sure, I'd love to give you advice but I think you're too busy being full of yourself
Shit, no automerge[/QUOTE]
are you going to keep pretending that you're adding any value to this thread or are you going to actually contribute
I'm starting to think the RIAA make most of their profits through dumb and outrageous copyright claims. Millions in damages in a couple days? Okay
Hell, I would argue that if I downloaded a song, that I caused zero dollars in damages since I wouldn't have bought it or the album it was on to begin with. How can a sale that doesn't/wouldn't exist cause monetary damages. And on a service so new, that's pretty much everyone that's used it so far. So millions in a couple days? Whatever
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48902779]In my eyes, people who call other people irrelevant are the irrelevant ones[/QUOTE]
And here you are calling people irrelevant??
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48903060]They're trying their hardest to make examples out of people and products to keep as much of the sweet money for themselves as they can[/QUOTE]
I might actually be ok with that if ANY of the money made it to the artists. But it's the RIAA we're talking about so.....
[QUOTE=TheTalon;48903036]How can a sale that doesn't/wouldn't exist cause monetary damages.[/QUOTE]
Monetary damages is a term used to describe theft or the facilitation of theft, in this context
Theft in this context is describing gaining access to something whose rights owners demand payment for (which is their right) without paying.
[QUOTE=CjienX;48901887]ITT: Nobody knows how terrible the RIAA is.
The artist isn't losing out on anything, even if you go out and buy the album there's still theft going on, the RIAA\Labels stealing from the artist. You can either A) Buy the music, support the Label\RIAA and the artist gets shafted, or B) Get the music through other means, and shaft the RIAA\Label along with the artist who would be shafted anyway. Want to support the artist? Go to a show and buy a shirt, I can almost guarantee you that shirt sale is the only thing they're making more than a few cents off of unless they aren't signed.[/QUOTE]
As much as I dislike Record companies with their bullshit legal acrobatics ( fucking packaging fee's on a digital only release and record hold charge) the artist doesn't get completely shafted, yes they get a SIGNIFICANT drop in royalties and what not but they still get something and that can start to hurt when cd sales are dropped because of pirating. this is especially true when your a small time band, yeah you may only earn 200 ish bucks from selling 2000 albums at 10 bucks a pop. that 200 can go to fixing your drummers messed kick pedal instead of your other job.
plus alot of bands are now striking out on their own now acting as their own recording company as its more cost effective, meaning they can have more of the income.
So yes in all intensive purposes you are still harming the artist on what critical little they already make on album sales when you pirate .
[QUOTE=CjienX;48901887]The artist isn't losing out on anything, even if you go out and buy the album there's still theft going on, the RIAA\Labels stealing from the artist.[/QUOTE]
'If you buy the music legitimately it's actually theft because some of the money goes to the record label in return for the publicity and distribution they provide for the artist who signed a contract willingly... but they're taking money so it's stealing.'
That is the dumbest justification for piracy I have ever heard. The artist is losing out on the money that they're contractually obligated to receive from every sale, but you've decided they don't deserve it because having to spend money is inconvenient to you. Everything beyond that is just fluff.
There is literally nothing stopping an artist from self-publishing their music; artists sign deals with record labels because it's beneficial to them. Who are you to say that those poor artists can't make decisions for themselves and are getting robbed by the evil RIAA/labels?
Next up: Book publishers are thieves because they take a cut of profits from authors, Steam is the greatest embezzlement strategy of our generation :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=catbarf;48907027]'If you buy the music legitimately it's actually theft because some of the money goes to the record label in return for the publicity and distribution they provide for the artist who signed a contract willingly... but they're taking money so it's stealing.'
That is the dumbest justification for piracy I have ever heard. The artist is losing out on the money that they're contractually obligated to receive from every sale, but you've decided they don't deserve it because having to spend money is inconvenient to you. Everything beyond that is just fluff.[/QUOTE]
The artists do it to get publicity. From what I've read from various interviews and such, artists get such a little cut from song sales that it doesn't actually matter to them if you pirate or not. They get most money from live concerts and stuff, not from that tiny cut label leaves them. They need the big publishers to get fame so that they can profit from tours. Not to earn that almost offensive amount of money from album sales.
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