Battlefield 3 Will require Origin, Including Retail copies
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[QUOTE=SappinMyNick;31693817]Correct me if I'm wrong but the newer versions of punkbuster doesn't kick you for using the steam overlay.[/QUOTE]
I remember them saying the only one making gameoverlay work with punkbuster would be valve, that they should reverse the steam updates.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31685998]Theres a difference. [B]Steam is needed to update there games and keep track of users and items.[/B] EA doesn't need this and if they did they could have used steam. Not to mention that at the time steam was the first so its not like anyone had to make an account event for another download service they only needed one which wasn't that bad. Basically this means people who use other download services have to download an unneeded extra or people who haven't needed or used download services have to now for no good reason.
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Uhhh that's what EADM was originally conceived of doing was applying patches.
And oh yes! Lets keep a monoply going, its Valve they won't turn around and buttfuck us. OH WAIT I'm pretty sure they buttfuck their clients who AREN'T from the US.
They're too lazy to figure out how to correctly adjust the game value depending on what currency you use.
From what I've seen, Origin DOES.
And I never wanted gamespy or any of those other programs I had to download either but Steam still did it.
ITT People who don't like digital distribution services such as Steam and Origin admit to pirating.
[QUOTE=Swilly;31694139]Uhhh that's what EADM was originally conceived of doing was applying patches.
And oh yes! Lets keep a monoply going, its Valve they won't turn around and buttfuck us.\[/QUOTE] Yea but again it is unneeded with steam and why are we talking about monoploly when EAs the one whos useing there monopoly to get people on there download service in the first place. How many times do I have to say it. I wouldn't mind origins if it wasn't required but what they are doing is trying to be the top by making you buy from them instead of trying to have a better service. Its about not wanting to put up with the shit EA does everyday.
why does origin have to suck so bad?
i bought Medal of honor airborne and it never worked. ive asked support for help but they were crap.
another downside with EA is they never do the awesome sale that steam does.
fuck, i was gonna buy it retail because of origins
oh well, still gonna buy it in stores
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31697659]Yea but again it is unneeded with steam and why are we talking about monoploly when EAs the one whos useing there monopoly to get people on there download service in the first place. How many times do I have to say it. I wouldn't mind origins if it wasn't required but what they are doing is trying to be the top by making you buy from them instead of trying to have a better service. Its about not wanting to put up with the shit EA does everyday.[/QUOTE]
Holy fuck you need to cease posting in these threads. You have no fucking idea at all what you are on about, and seem to be bitching for the sake of bitching, your posts are uneducated, senseless drivel.
Plus you keep calling it "origins", hint: it isn't called "origins".
A monopoly is when one company controls the market, we agree on that, but you seem to be confused as to when it applies, it does not apply to EA in their current circumstance at all. BF3 will be purchasable through various sites, but it will always require Origin, like buying retail HL2 doesn't excuse you from installing Steam. If that is a monopoly for EA, then it must be for Valve too? Well it isn't. If Steam were the only digital distribution service available, it would be a monopoly, if Origin were the only digital distribution service available it would be a monopoly. But they aren't the only services. So stop bringing this monopoly bullshit up.
I don't know why you think them making us use Origin would provide worse service than us using Steam, all Steamworks integration would provide is VAC (okay, that is a bonus, that they wouldn't use), community functions that probably wouldn't work properly as it doesn't use the Steam server system, and DRM that means I wouldn't be able to run it if I lost my internet connection thanks to offline mode still not working as intended.
Origin provides basically the same, community functions that won't allow you to join a mate without using BattleLog/ in game server browser (I hope), just with less intrusive DRM as you shouldn't need to actually log in to Origin to play it.
"But hexpunK", I hear you cry, "what will I do without my perfect steam library!!". Oh, I don't know? Deal with it? How the fuck did you survive the disc age, where there was no Steam library? At least Origin keeps it managed and sensible, funnily enough, the exact same way Steam does.
I don't know where you are pulling this "shit EA does everyday" from, but unless you have proof EA shaft us every single day of the year, then this point is null and void. For the last few years EA have been pretty good to us, their choices are a bit iffy at times, sticking with things we don't like such as SecureROM and PB, but they provide us with good games on a regular basis.
All of your points are pretty fucking easy to counter, come up with some real problems and then we'll talk.
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[QUOTE=LATTEH;31697931]why does origin have to suck so bad?
i bought Medal of honor airborne and it never worked. ive asked support for help but they were crap.
another downside with EA is they never do the awesome sale that steam does.[/QUOTE]
EA Support can be a pretty awful experience. But they tend to work a bit faster than Steam support, and sometimes throw free shit your way for the inconvenience.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;31698153]I don't know where you are pulling this "shit EA does everyday" from, but unless you have proof EA shaft us every single day of the year, then this point is null and void. For the last few years EA have been pretty good to us, their choices are a bit iffy at times, sticking with things we don't like such as SecureROM and PB, but they provide us with good games on a regular basis.[/QUOTE] Your argument that since valve does it its alright for EA to do it to. How many time do I have to say that still doesn't make it right especially since EAs isn't needed. You want examples of EA being bad? ok dragon age 2 with all its dlc is a great example that happened recently or how about them trying to sell games for 60$. The reason I'm calling Ea a monopoly is because they are using there huge publishing power to create a popular download service not because its great to use but because they know they can make you have to use it. Yea I know we all want to play battlefield but that doesn't mean you shouldn't complain when they do stuff like this.
[QUOTE=Farrelm;31698040]fuck, i was gonna buy it retail because of origins
oh well, still gonna buy it in stores[/QUOTE]
Read the article, or rather, the TITLE
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31698368]Your argument that since valve does it its alright for EA to do it to. How many time do I have to say that still doesn't make it right especially since EAs isn't needed. You want examples of EA being bad? ok dragon age 2 with all its dlc is a great example that happened recently. [B]The reason I'm calling Ea a monopoly is because they are using there huge publishing power to create a popular download service not because its great to use but because they know they can make you have to use it.[/B][/QUOTE]
Which is [B]exactly[/B] what Valve did with HL2. They are both equally as bad for forcing the usage of their services. Valve did eventually make Steam worthwhile. EA might do with Origin too, as right now it is still being worked on. But it does not make either a monopoly. Until either company manages to buy out every other distributor, and gain the publishing rights to every game, there is not a monopoly. Not matter how much you need it to justify your petty hatred of a program.
Just because it isn't needed doesn't mean it shouldn't be made, that is how monopoly stay, when people realize there is no point making something to combat something that has market control.
Next.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;31698413]Which is [B]exactly[/B] what Valve did with HL2.[/QUOTE] Again this doesn't make it alright for another company to do it. I don't like that valve does it either but atleast valve kind of needs steam in order to keep track of player items and update there games.
[editline]12th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;31698413]Just because it isn't needed doesn't mean it shouldn't be made, that is how monopoly stay, when people realize there is no point making something to combat something that has market control.[/QUOTE] Sure they can make it if they want. Its the fact that its forced on us for unneeded reasons.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31698471]Again this doesn't make it alright for another company to do it. I don't like that valve does it either but atleast valve kind of needs steam in order to [B]keep track of player items and update there games.[/B][/QUOTE]
Which, funnily enough, is what EA are doing with Origin. Allowing the user to keep their (EA specific) games and DLC in one location, and track various stats in said games for their community functions. Valve wouldn't need Steam to track player items, that can be handled without the usage of Steam, but having the Steam integration would probably make it a bit easier to work with.
And if one company does it, then yeah, other companies are going to try. Origin won't hurt as if it does flop, EA can pull requirements for it, if it doesn't though, they might start attracting other publishers to sell their works on there too, as an alternative to Steam.
I don't see why you are getting so uptight and defensive about an alternative client showing up on the market, so far you have given me nothing to prove there is a legitimate reason to not use Origin. Fuck, I expect you haven't use it properly yourself yet and are basing this all off hyperbole you hear on various websites. Most EA games are still on Steam, the only ones that aren't are games that EA were actually trying to provide decent customer support for by letting customer choose where to buy the DLC from, without forcing Steam pricing on them.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;31698642]Which, funnily enough, is what EA are doing with Origin. Allowing the user to keep their (EA specific) games and DLC in one location, and track various stats in said games for their community functions.[/QUOTE] But again they could have done this with stea, and it doesn't excuse them from making us use there program. Imagine if every game made us use there own specific download service. We would have hundreds of these to deal with. If they don't like steam then don't use steam but don't make us use your service. You shouldn't get users because they are forced to you should because they want to.
I've been using origin for a couple weeks and even bought about 100 bucks worth of games on it, and I don't mind it. It works rather well. I'll still buy BF3 as much as was before.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31698802]But again they could have done this with stea, and it doesn't excuse them from making us use there program. Imagine if every game made us use there own specific download service. We would have hundreds of these to deal with. If they don't like steam then don't use steam but don't make us use your service. You shouldn't get users because they are forced to you should because they want to.[/QUOTE]
You're like a god dammed parrot, repeating the same refuted argument every damn post. Jesus christ, think a bit and give me something real to fight against here.
Not every publisher wants to make their own download service, some don't have problems with Steam, some do and don't use Steam. Activision for example, while they are the money grabbing street walkers of video gaming, would have tried making their own DD service ages ago if it would be profitable for them, but when your top seller is CoD, there isn't really much reason to create and entire service. EA on the other hand have a plethora of different games and a range of genres that all sell exceptionally well. And like I said, maybe they want to provide choice to the customer, which will void the Steam Agreement, but will give us, the consumer, the important part here, proper choice. Like with the patches and DLC for Crysis 2.
And the businesses world is a harsh place where we technically don't mean anything to a company, they are going to get users however they can, suck it up buttercup, be a man and stop whining. Valve did the exact same things as EA are now doing, they had the exact same outcry, and they (only fairly recently) made the service truly worthwhile. Origin is in it's infancy a lot can change.
Now, if you can't provide me any more arguments than "But steam does this anyway!!" I will be forced to give up arguing with you as you are a lost cause. You literally seems stuck in one mindset.
[editline]13th August 2011[/editline]
Oh, and EA do do sales, usually quite good sales too. Along with their various store errors that allow us to grab free games (hint: my account is still active after doing it twice now, Valve would have disabled the fuck out of my account if I did it to them).
[QUOTE=hexpunK;31698961]You're like a god dammed parrot, repeating the same refuted argument every damn post. Jesus christ, think a bit and give me something real to fight against here.[/QUOTE] Do you get it? its not the existence origins that gets me angry. Its the fact that its needed and you haven't refuted that have you. You talk about choice but there is no choice when you can't choose to use the product or not and I bet your going to replay once again with "well steam does the same thing" 2 wrongs don't make a right and yes more and more games are doing this now a days where you need to download there service to get the game like gamerfist(or was it first) and some gamecomrade games. Its not right.
People don't seem to realize the appeal in creating a digital distribution platform, since Steam turned out so successful thanks to us favoring it since there was no other, until now.
I mean it's no wonder really that EA wants to squeeze all the money they can out of their ambitious game.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;31699348]I mean it's no wonder really that EA wants to squeeze all the money they can out of their ambitious game.[/QUOTE] I feel sorry for dice. For the people who aren't hyped for this game not having it on steam will cause a lot of people to not buy it.
Origin combined with all the other fantastic games coming out this year (Skyrim, RO2:HOS) in particular. I don't see any strong reason for me to buy Battlefield 3.
My opinion.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31697659]Yea but again it is unneeded with steam and why are we talking about monoploly when EAs the one whos useing there monopoly to get people on there download service in the first place. How many times do I have to say it. I wouldn't mind origins if it wasn't required but what they are doing is trying to be the top by making you buy from them instead of trying to have a better service. Its about not wanting to put up with the shit EA does everyday.[/QUOTE]
You idiot Valve is doing the same exact damn thing! THEY STARTED IT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE.
Looks like I'm buying it for the Xbox now.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31699243]Do you get it? its not the existence origins that gets me angry. Its the fact that its needed and you haven't refuted that have you. You talk about choice but there is no choice when you can't choose to use the product or not and I bet your going to replay once again with "well steam does the same thing" 2 wrongs don't make a right and yes more and more games are doing this now a days where you need to download there service to get the game like gamerfist(or was it first) and some gamecomrade games. Its not right.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing to refute in the "it's needed" department, EA decided that Origin will be the application that controls something for the game, and that is how it will be. Using Steam as an example again (as much as it pains you, that is the only really applicable example), Steam is required because Valve, and their allied publishers, said so. There isn't anything to refute, it's merely publisher choice on what applications control their game. There is no particular reason the application should be needed, we've gotten on fine with them in the past, but developers and publishers are wanting more direct control of their games, and account based digital distribution is the answer.
And I mean choice as in choice of purchase. Origin games can be bought Retail, through Origin, through D2D, through quite a few services that EA allow. And the patches are not bound to just Origin, most EA games self-update without a client, using a built in launcher. Some (older) games use manual patching. Some do probably use Origin, but it allows the person the choice of how to update in some cases. DLC follows the same thing (and is why EA games keep getting pulled). Instead of just one store being allowed to sell it (Steam), any service can, and it can all be activated on Origin without fuss, without being any different. Giving you the choice of provider, allowing you to pick a price should they sell at different prices. Sure you don't have a choice when it comes to activating the product on Origin, but that is just to tie it to your EA account. Much like activating a retail Steamworks game on Steam is just to tie it to your account.
Your posts are unintelligible messes for the most part. You really should look at your grammar and spelling a bit more I think. Just something I've noticed in our small debate.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31699243]Do you get it? its not the existence origins that gets me angry. Its the fact that its needed and you haven't refuted that have you. You talk about choice but there is no choice when you can't choose to use the product or not and I bet your going to replay once again with "well steam does the same thing" 2 wrongs don't make a right and yes more and more games are doing this now a days where you need to download there service to get the game like gamerfist(or was it first) and some gamecomrade games. Its not right.[/QUOTE]
We have refuted it you moron, Half Life 2 needs Steam to fucking run. THE SAME ARGUMENTS WERE MADE THEN!
All of this fighting happened back when Steam first fucking came out.
And look fucking now.
-fuck that angst post-
[QUOTE=hexpunK;31699794]Won't miss you. Have fun with 24 players and smaller maps. Origin isn't worth missing the proper BF3 experience over.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather play multiplayer games on console, and singleplayer on PC. More modding ability on PC for singleplayer titles. I enjoy playing FPS games more on the console anyways.
[QUOTE=Swilly;31699747]You idiot Valve is doing the same exact damn thing! THEY STARTED IT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE.[/QUOTE] Have you not read my posts? 2 wrongs don't make a right. But at least valve did it before you would need 5 different accounts with 5 for 5 different games and please stop flaming.
Don't dumb me! Valve did start it but the only reason they get away with it on Facepunch is because everyone here basically loves Valve. They think they can do no wrong.
Everyone of their games since Half Life 2 has required and installed steam, huh just like BF3 requires Origin.
OH LOOK.
[editline]12th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31699835]Have you not read my posts? 2 wrongs don't make a right. But at least valve did it before you would need 5 different accounts with 5 for 5 different games and please stop flaming.[/QUOTE]
You're a broken record and you refuse to see that there is nothing inherently wrong with this AT ALL.
The only thing wrong is no mod tools for BF3, THAT'S IT.
God dammit! I'm having the same argument I had at the CivFanatics forums over Steam...Sweet Jesus on a Texas Roll.
[QUOTE=Swilly;31699783]We have refuted it you moron, Half Life 2 needs Steam to fucking run. THE SAME ARGUMENTS WERE MADE THEN![/QUOTE] Cool down man. If your going to get this angry then maybe you should cool down because no one argues properly when there angry.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;31699459]I feel sorry for dice. For the people who aren't hyped for this game not having it on steam will cause a lot of people to not buy it.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure there will be a lot of people downloading Origin just for Battlefield3, and I'm pretty sure beneficially it is a good move for them to have it only on Origin, not by a long shot though. But I don't have the specifics and statistics and shit of course.
[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;31699834]I'd rather play multiplayer games on console, and singleplayer on PC. More modding ability on PC for singleplayer titles. I enjoy playing FPS games more on the console anyways.[/QUOTE]
I can see the appeal if you have friends on there actually. BF3 will be much more fun with communication. In hindsight that last post was a bit rough due to the exceedingly dumb posts I am putting up with :v:
Have some fun there man. Going to snip that.
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