Firearms sales have dropped since the election - but have risen for minorities and LGBT people
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[QUOTE=Foogooman;51927848]As a trans woman, considering ways to protect myself was something that came to mind after the election. Quite a few of my minority friends have been subject to hate crimes since then, and there have been other hateful demonstrations. I came to the decision that owning a gun is warranted, just in case. I plan to get one when I have some money saved.
[editline]7th March 2017[/editline]
And yes I'm aware my name is terribly ironic[/QUOTE]
Just punch them you don't need a gun.
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[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51927816]Is your perception of America based off 1980's B-movies or something? What the fuck are you talking about[/QUOTE]
What I'm trying to say is, America differs from region to region. Democratic/Urban states differ highly from South/Midwest/Republican states. Demographics and values.
I really fucked up on the message and how I tried to word it.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51928507]What I'm trying to say is, America differs from region to region. Democratic/Urban states differ highly from South/Midwest/Republican states. Demographics and values.[/QUOTE]
This is true of most countries though. America isn't as special or "diverse" as you think it is.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51928507]What I'm trying to say is, America differs from region to region. Democratic/Urban states differ highly from South/Midwest/Republican states. Demographics and values.
I really fucked up on the message and how I tried to word it.[/QUOTE]
Every country on earth is like that. England, for being as small at it is, has several regional dialects. This is also true for Japan, Germany, ect. The US is not at all unique in this.
Saying states are like individual countries is completely laughable.
A persons values are not determined by their region. I live in bumfuckistan, ND, and theres a lot of liberals out here.
[QUOTE=download;51925243]Not surprised. If the NRA has any sense they'll use this to cultivate a left-wing gun culture.[/QUOTE]
The NRA used to be great years ago. Now its all politics. My father and I stopped being members over it. They dont give a shit about gun safety anymore. They care about political interests.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51928724]Saying states are like individual countries is completely laughable.[/QUOTE]
I've lived in both the US and Europe and I think it's fairly accurate. There are shared aspects to culture, sure, just as most Western liberal democracies hold certain cultural commonalities, but the differences between states are pretty significant. I'd say that France and Germany, for example, are a lot closer socially than New Hampshire and Texas.
If you want to back off from hyper-literal aspects of his argument, he's saying that the cultural differences across the US mean that these solutions that work for European countries are inapplicable to the US as a whole. What works for Norway doesn't work for all of the US. What works for Switzerland doesn't work for all of the US either. What works for New Hampshire won't work for Texas, let alone California, DC, or North Dakota.
The American states are absolutely akin to European countries in that they're culturally disparate entities for which no one-size-fits-all solution can exist. That's the point he's making and people are jumping down his throat for his overreaching claim about homogeneous cultures (and [i]even then[/i] he's not wrong about, say, Scandinavia) rather than address his actual point.
[QUOTE=catbarf;51928832]I've lived in both the US and Europe and I think it's fairly accurate. There are shared aspects to culture, sure, just as most Western liberal democracies hold certain cultural commonalities, but the differences between states are pretty significant. I'd say that France and Germany, for example, are a lot closer socially than New Hampshire and Texas.
If you want to back off from hyper-literal aspects of his argument, he's saying that the cultural differences across the US mean that these solutions that work for European countries are inapplicable to the US as a whole. What works for Norway doesn't work for all of the US. What works for Switzerland doesn't work for all of the US either. What works for New Hampshire won't work for Texas, let alone California, DC, or North Dakota.
The American states are absolutely akin to European countries in that they're culturally disparate entities for which no one-size-fits-all solution can exist. That's the point he's making and people are jumping down his throat for his overreaching claim about homogeneous cultures (and [i]even then[/i] he's not wrong about, say, Scandinavia) rather than address his actual point.[/QUOTE]
This is why honest to god this election was a turning point for me, And why a lot of Dems lost, They have forgotten California, New York isn't the midwest, both policy wise and economy wise. It is why a lot of people don't want To do a National Popular vote with no electoral collage. California may not like guns, but in the midwest we worship them.
[QUOTE=catbarf;51928832]I've lived in both the US and Europe and I think it's fairly accurate. There are shared aspects to culture, sure, just as most Western liberal democracies hold certain cultural commonalities, but the differences between states are pretty significant. I'd say that France and Germany, for example, are a lot closer socially than New Hampshire and Texas.
If you want to back off from hyper-literal aspects of his argument, he's saying that the cultural differences across the US mean that these solutions that work for European countries are inapplicable to the US as a whole. What works for Norway doesn't work for all of the US. What works for Switzerland doesn't work for all of the US either. What works for New Hampshire won't work for Texas, let alone California, DC, or North Dakota.
The American states are absolutely akin to European countries in that they're culturally disparate entities for which no one-size-fits-all solution can exist. That's the point he's making and people are jumping down his throat for his overreaching claim about homogeneous cultures (and [i]even then[/i] he's not wrong about, say, Scandinavia) rather than address his actual point.[/QUOTE]
maybe we're going about this the wrong way then. perhaps the United States is really too big to be governed as a single country under its current system of government
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51929767]maybe we're going about this the wrong way then. perhaps the United States is really too big to be governed as a single country under its current system of government[/QUOTE]
The United States is not really a single country even if it's technically recognized as one. Individual member states are given much more autonomy than would normally exist within states/districts of an independent nation elsewhere in the world. The US is more like a superstate such as the EU, where individual member nations follow a shared list of regulations and laws and are represented in a parliament but are still given a large degree of autonomy in governing their own internal affairs.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51929774]The United States is not really a single country even if it's technically recognized as one. Individual member states are given much more autonomy than would normally exist within states/districts of an independent nation elsewhere in the world. The US is more like a superstate such as the EU, where individual member nations follow a shared list of regulations and are represented in a parliament but are still given a large degree of autonomy in governing their own internal affairs.[/QUOTE]
Man, it's like the name "United States of America" means something.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51929778]Man, it's like the name "United States of America" means something.[/QUOTE]
This is also what people mean when the say the United States is a republic and not a democracy. The US government system is based on the idea that it is a collection of semi-autonomous states with an overarching government that is elected by each state, not an absolute democracy.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51929774]The United States is not really a single country even if it's technically recognized as one. Individual member states are given much more autonomy than would normally exist within states/districts of an independent nation elsewhere in the world. The US is more like a superstate such as the EU, where individual member nations follow a shared list of regulations and laws and are represented in a parliament but are still given a large degree of autonomy in governing their own internal affairs.[/QUOTE]
the USA has been evolving into a unitary state for a long time. the states have a fraction of the autonomy that they used to exercise. some of them are practically dependent on the central government
[QUOTE=Zyler;51929786]This is also what people mean when the say the United States is a republic and not a democracy. The US government system is based on the idea that it is a collection of semi-autonomous states with an overarching government that is elected by each state, not an absolute democracy.[/QUOTE]
yeah but it doesn't really function like that anymore. maybe if it was the 1840s then maybe yeah
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51930006]the USA has been evolving into a unitary state for a long time. the states have a fraction of the autonomy that they used to exercise. some of them are practically dependent on the central government[/QUOTE]
Lately, the balance of power has been swinging back in favor of state power in some areas. Whether or not that continues depends on how willing the current administration is to enforce federal law.
I've personally got my money on "absolutely willing, but too incompetent to do it without pissing everyone off".
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51925297]The circumstances are a shame but more people interested in gun ownership is a net positive[/QUOTE]
so the fact that more people own your favorite toy is worth all of the fear and hate in our society that's causing this. a "net positive" overall, huh?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51930971]Lately, the balance of power has been swinging back in favor of state power in some areas. Whether or not that continues depends on how willing the current administration is to enforce federal law.
I've personally got my money on "absolutely willing, but too incompetent to do it without pissing everyone off".[/QUOTE]
short term it swings back at times, but longer term (decades and centuries) the central government is definitely centralising power and the states are a shadow of what they were in the 18th century
even trump and reagan types end up reinforcing central authority in some way, rather than the opposite
[QUOTE=Zyler;51929786]This is also what people mean when the say the United States is a republic and not a democracy. The US government system is based on the idea that it is a collection of semi-autonomous states with an overarching government that is elected by each state, not an absolute democracy.[/QUOTE]
No, that's not what they mean by that lol.
They use "US is a republic and not a democracy" to deflect criticism of the method in which a candidate was elected. An "absolute democracy" likely means a direct democracy, which no country is. What you said has nothing to do with whether the US is a republic or not.
The term you're looking for is a confederation, not a republic.
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;51931260]so the fact that more people own your favorite toy is worth all of the fear and hate in our society that's causing this. a "net positive" overall, huh?[/QUOTE]
As has been previously said many times (thanks for reading the thread!), nobody here is happy about the circumstances with witch people are having to protect themselves, we're happy that more people are willing to take their defense into their own hands now, regardless of the situation.
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