Crimea, Russian Stronghold in Ukraine, is preparing to fight the revolution
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Well if they have a base there, they know the protesters/whatever to call them now are anti-russian so they may be preparing to defend that base.
Bah who am I kidding Crimea wants out of Ukraine and the Russians know it. Wouldn't say its a bad thing, cept for the people who don't want to be part of Russia.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44029982]Well if they have a base there, they know the protesters/whatever to call them now are anti-russian so they may be preparing to defend that base.
Bah who am I kidding Crimea wants out of Ukraine and the Russians know it. Wouldn't say its a bad thing, [b]cept for the people who don't want to be part of Russia[/b].[/QUOTE]
You mean most Ukrainians?
Then again you've been supporting Yanukovych throughout this whole thing so its pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
There is no army of pro-EU protestors getting ready to storm Russian military bases.
[QUOTE=Turing;44028182][video=youtube;DdafhMpREj8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdafhMpREj8[/video]
meanwhile in sevastopol[/QUOTE]
I've been meaning to ask this for quite a while, why do Russians love the word "fascism" so much?
[QUOTE=strazyyy;44030109]I've been meaning to ask this for quite a while, why do Russians love the word "fascism" so much?[/QUOTE]
Leftover of fighting the Axis during Barbarossa?
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;44030054]You mean most Ukrainians?
Then again you've been supporting Yanukovych throughout this whole thing so its pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
There is no army of pro-EU protestors getting ready to storm Russian military bases.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely not. I stated several times that his laws were wrong and that the protesters had the right to protest against laws which are undemocratic. Don't be a dumbass.
60% of the crimean population is ethnically Russian, the other 40% is not wholly Ukrainian ethnicity. That is a very real majority. Most of them and the eastern territories voted for the government, some cities with as much as 90% majority. The government they voted for has been ousted violently by a group of people not the same as themselves with radically different political motives. They deserve their rights to representation as much as any other. The western regions support the opposition, the east didn't and now they are getting a government forced upon them.
What Yanukovych did was half baked, stupid and undemocratic, what he ordered the police to do and what the police did (in shooting [b]unarmed[/b] protesters) is criminal. But that is absolutely no reason to punish and deny the rights to the people who voted for that government. The deserve fair representation and if they feel they don't get it they have every right to defend it against those who would violently take it.
Read it carefully before you jump to half thought out conclusions.
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[QUOTE=strazyyy;44030109]I've been meaning to ask this for quite a while, why do Russians love the word "fascism" so much?[/QUOTE]
Symbol of everything bad that can exist. Basically, synonym for the word "evil".
If they feel they will be better represented by the russian government more than the current coalition then it is their choice.
*snip*
[QUOTE=gudman;44030146]Symbol of everything bad that can exist. Basically, synonym for the word "evil".[/QUOTE]
How funny, considering Stalinism is basically just Red Fascism.
[QUOTE=strazyyy;44030109]I've been meaning to ask this for quite a while, why do Russians love the word "fascism" so much?[/QUOTE]
they do yeah
everyone in the baltics is apparently pribaltiski fashisti
[QUOTE=Scar;44030249]How funny, considering Stalinism is basically just Red Fascism.[/QUOTE]
Stalinists are often adressed as "Красно-коричневый", ("red-brown", "communo-fascists") actually.
[QUOTE=gudman;44030502]Stalinists are often adressed as "Красно-коричневый", ("red-brown", "communo-fascists") actually.[/QUOTE]
where did you get that
I never heard anyone say that
[QUOTE=Turing;44030444]they do yeah
everyone in the baltics is apparently pribaltiski fashisti[/QUOTE]
oh yeah, weren't people from the baltics serving in the soviet army called fascists and germans by the russians? i read that somewhere
[QUOTE=damnatus;44030619]where did you get that
I never heard anyone say that[/QUOTE]
That's how far-left have been called in the early 90s. You rarely hear that today, but it was pretty common.
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;44028403]Tatars and russians never really liked EU anyway[/QUOTE]
Tatars are pretty pissed at russians, because they deported them back in soviet days
[QUOTE=laserguided;44031696][t]http://i.imgur.com/BhDWxwO.png[/t][/QUOTE]
I wonder if they will whip up their own media frenzy and make out Putin to be the anti-nazi hero of the 21st century.
:v:
[QUOTE]Russian Citizen Elected Sevastopol Mayor Amid Pro-Moscow Protests in Crimea
Pro-Moscow demonstrators in Crimea have named a Russian citizen as the new mayor of Sevastopol, underscoring fears that the region may try to break away from turmoil-gripped Ukraine.
About 20,000 demonstrators carrying Russian flags gathered in Sevastopol for a rally on Sunday, electing businessman Alexei Chalov, a Russian citizen, as their new mayor, Crimea's Navigator news agency reported.
Sevastopol is the only city in Ukraine whose residents do not get to elect their mayor directly as a law on the seaport's municipal governance is yet to be approved by Ukraine's parliament, Sevastopolskaya Gazeta reported.
Following the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych over the weekend, many in Sevastopol no longer recognize the activities of the Ukrainian parliament, however.
The protests unfolded just as a White House national security adviser urged Russia on Sunday not to interfere militarily in Crimea, where Russia houses its Black Sea naval fleet. Moscow has vowed to "protect" the region if Ukraine splits.
In the eastern Crimean city of Kerch, protesters tore down the Ukrainian flag from the City Hall and replaced it with the Russian one, Kerch.com.ua reported.
After the rally, many protesters headed to the offices of the Russian Unity organization to enlist in a self-defense force.
In an appearance on NBC's Meet the Press program on Sunday, National Security Adviser Susan Rice said that it "would be a grave mistake" for Russian President Vladimir Putin's military to interfere to install a pro-Moscow government in Ukraine or to carve up the country.
"It is not in the interests of Ukraine or of Russia or of Europe or the U.S. to see the country split. It is in nobody's interest to see violence return and the situation escalate," she said.
Protesters in Sevastopol were calling on Moscow to do just that, carrying banners that said "Putin is our president," and "Russia, we have been abandoned, take us back."
Crimea was part of Russia before Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev "transferred" it to the then-Soviet republic of Ukraine. Two decades after the Soviet collapse, the huge peninsula is still viewed by many Russians as their rightful territory.
A senior Russian official said last week that Russia would interfere militarily to preserve its influence in Crimea.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-citizen-elected-sevastopol-mayor-amid-pro-moscow-protests-in-crimea/495113.html[/url]
[img]http://i051.radikal.ru/1401/85/a86bc197ee35.jpg[/img]
The blue bar is how much money the region takes from state budget, the yellow one is how much it returns. Crimea is the peninsula in the bottom right.
I really doubt Putin wants yet another money-funnel in his country
The only thing important about it is the port. If he was going to do it I bet he would go all out eastern ukraine.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44032025][img]http://i051.radikal.ru/1401/85/a86bc197ee35.jpg[/img]
The blue bar is how much money the region takes from state budget, the yellow one is how much it returns. Crimea is the peninsula in the bottom right.
I really doubt Putin wants yet another money-funnel in his country[/QUOTE]
i dont think russia would integrate crimera into russia
it would probably be an "independent" state
Probably be something like Abkazia.
[QUOTE=Turing;44032108]i dont think russia would integrate crimera into russia
it would probably be an "independent" state[/QUOTE]
That would suck massively for the Crimeans
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44032135]That would suck massively for the Crimeans[/QUOTE]
If they trim the fat and improve their industry they might be fine.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44031988][url]http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-citizen-elected-sevastopol-mayor-amid-pro-moscow-protests-in-crimea/495113.html[/url][/QUOTE]
They also kicked out acting mayor guy. Surrounded the administration blocking the exits, and then they had no other way but to agree and recognize the new "democratically elected" mayor.
Ukraine, fucking arrest them.
[QUOTE=gudman;44032215]They also kicked out acting mayor guy. Surrounded the administration blocking the exits, and then they had no other way but to agree and recognize the new "democratically elected" mayor.
Ukraine, fucking arrest them.[/QUOTE]
The police swore loyalty to the protesters or something so they don't want to do anything. If federal forces got involved then it would look like hypocrisy on the part of the opposition.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44032241]The police swore loyalty to the protesters or something so they don't want to do anything. If federal forces got involved then it would look like hypocrisy on the part of the opposition.[/QUOTE]
Fuck hypoctisy, I don't want any more "independent" states chewing on our money. Plus, it's a diffirent matter, they're separatists, and they're actively calling people to arms. While Maidan, arguably, did the same, no one admits to it, so it's entirely possible to silence them as a deal of national security.
[QUOTE=gudman;44032292]Fuck hypoctisy, I don't want any more "independent" states chewing on our money. Plus, it's a diffirent matter, they're separatists, and they're actively calling people to arms. While Maidan, arguably, did the same, no one admits to it, so it's entirely possible to silence them as a deal of national security.[/QUOTE]
Deport them to the Caucasus.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44030128]Absolutely not. I stated several times that his laws were wrong and that the protesters had the right to protest against laws which are undemocratic. Don't be a dumbass.
60% of the crimean population is ethnically Russian, the other 40% is not wholly Ukrainian ethnicity. That is a very real majority. Most of them and the eastern territories voted for the government, some cities with as much as 90% majority. The government they voted for has been ousted violently by a group of people not the same as themselves with radically different political motives. They deserve their rights to representation as much as any other. The western regions support the opposition, the east didn't and now they are getting a government forced upon them.
What Yanukovych did was half baked, stupid and undemocratic, what he ordered the police to do and what the police did (in shooting [b]unarmed[/b] protesters) is criminal. But that is absolutely no reason to punish and deny the rights to the people who voted for that government. The deserve fair representation and if they feel they don't get it they have every right to defend it against those who would violently take it.
Read it carefully before you jump to half thought out conclusions.[/QUOTE]
And that's the reason why there will be elections happening. To ensure that everyone gets their representation back.
I'd find your point 100% valid if the new government wouldn't stop holding onto power, but scheduling early elections made the point kind of moot.
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