• Confederate Memorial Vandalized in Charleston
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[QUOTE=Rocko's;48044605]wonder what they expect to solve by spraying "BLACK LIVES MATTER" on a monument. I guess they sure taught someone a lesson.[/QUOTE] wonder what those american revolutionaries expect by spreading those common sense pamplets around. They sure taught someone a lesson.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044714] We both used the exact words on the sign in different ways. Cute.[/QUOTE] It literally says that it's for the men who defended the city. In no way does it bring up beliefs.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;48044698]well you hit a brick wall there because that memorial isn't even closely celebrating anything. it is a memorial for the lives lost defending charleston during the civil war.[/QUOTE] Guess what those Confederate soldiers were defending?
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044540]History of one's past wrongdoings are better left in textbooks and museums, not memorials honoring the memory of people that fought for the wrongdoings. In other words, build memorials to the victims of the holocaust, not to the people that caused it.[/QUOTE] I disagree. Back in the 70s if you went to a concentration camp in Germany, like Dachau, you would see the barracks with shoes, clothes, and engravings left in the beds and furniture. You'd see the ovens.. the storage room filled with clothes and belongings. I went there last year and there was almost nothing. No barracks.. it looked almost like a park. There were memorials for jews and what have you, but nothing substantive. No emotional impact - just a bunch of rocks, fake barracks, fake beds. Might as well install a Wendy's and a t shirt store. I don't think the confederate flag should be flying on goverment buildings, but history should be left as a reminder of what to and what not to do. It speaks for itself.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48044728]I'm visiting Canada, hence the Canada flag because of the IP im at. I am a native of Florida. I have seen no one talk like that in both the cities and the countryside here. Also what he said doesn't exactly mean RACISM I HATE BLACK PEOPLE >:(, it just means he's either trolling or just didn't read your post.[/QUOTE] You think that telling someone that they should kill themselves because they're sympathetic to the problems that Black Americans face in the modern day doesn't make that person racist? Sure, whatever you say dude. As for you saying you're from Florida and you haven't seen any sort of celebration of the confederacy, I honestly have no explanation. [QUOTE=Rocko's;48044729]Yeah, the memorial is made in memory of the soldiers defending Charleston and Ft. Sumter during the Civil War...? It's simply that.[/QUOTE] And the soldiers were defending the values held by the confederacy. Honoring the soldiers is honoring what they fought for.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044749]Guess what those Confederate soldiers were defending?[/QUOTE] Charleston, South Carolina from Union troops.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044749]Guess what those Confederate soldiers were defending?[/QUOTE] Charleston? [QUOTE=joshuadim;48044755]Charleston, South Carolina from Union troops.[/QUOTE] :v:
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044749]Guess what those Confederate soldiers were defending?[/QUOTE] They were defending Ft. Sumter which was being attacked by US forces after the State of South Carolina seceded from the union. They were defending lives of members that resided in South Carolina. So yeah, I do know what they were defending.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044754]You think that telling someone that they should kill themselves because they're sympathetic to the problems that Black Americans face in the modern day doesn't make that person racist? Sure, whatever you say dude. As for you saying you're from Florida and you haven't seen any sort of celebration of the confederacy, I honestly have no explanation.[/QUOTE] Confederacy sympathizers are few and far between in the South because most people are ACTUALLY COMPLACENT AND HAPPY with our country today.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48044535]Honestly seems more like someone trying to stir shit up rather than an actual protester.[/QUOTE] Protesters can be incredibly stupid. Hell, just look at those recent riots where people chanted black lives matter.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48044755]Charleston, South Carolina from Union troops.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;48044757]Charleston? :v:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rocko's;48044768]They were defending Ft. Sumter which was being attacked by US forces after the State of South Carolina seceded from the union. They were defending lives of members that resided in South Carolina. So yeah, I do know what they were defending.[/QUOTE] And now why were those Union troops attacking Ft. Sumter/Charleston?
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044781]And now why were those Union troops attacking Ft. Sumter/Charleston?[/QUOTE] Because they were ordered to quell a rebellion? Why was there a rebellion? Because Southern politicians were dissatisfied with the Union's attempts to ban slavery. 10-4. I am fully aware of that. Everyone is. The soldiers defending the city were a militia whipped up to [U]prevent the Union from burning it to the ground.[/U]
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044749]Guess what those Confederate soldiers were defending?[/QUOTE] The beautiful beach landscape and good farming land? I would too! [QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044781]And now why were those Union troops attacking Ft. Sumter/Charleston?[/QUOTE] For the advancement further south?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48044757]Charleston? [/QUOTE] More like slavery. The seven southern slave states did not want to abolish slavery and instead were like 'no thank you. We would like to secede and form our own country with slaves and everything'.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48044782]Because they were ordered to quell a rebellion?[/QUOTE] And why did that rebellion happen?
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044781]And now why were those Union troops attacking Ft. Sumter/Charleston?[/QUOTE] What are you trying to get at? They attacked because South Carolina was one of the states that seceded from the union. Forces wanted the US Army to withdraw from Ft. Sumter, so Lincoln ordered for the fort to be attacked, leading to the Battle of Fort Sumter.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044789]And why did that rebellion happen?[/QUOTE] Because Southern politicians were upset with attempts to outlaw slavery. But that's not why the soldiers were fighting. The soldiers were fighting because Union soldiers were flooding their cities and killing people and burning buildings. So commemorate the soldier. Remember the conflict. Love the soldier, hate the war.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044789]And why did that rebellion happen?[/QUOTE] I believe I would like to hear an answer from you
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48044777]Confederacy sympathizers are few and far between in the South because most people are ACTUALLY COMPLACENT AND HAPPY with our country today.[/QUOTE] You can say things in all-caps as much as you please, dude. It doesn't change the fact that racism is alive and well in America, especially in the South. If you haven't seen it, you probably aren't directly affected by it or don't keep friends that are affected by it.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48044602]How about this: Every life matters[/QUOTE] why don't fire fighters spray water at houses that AREN'T ON FIRE?? all houses matter
[QUOTE=Rocko's;48044792]What are you trying to get at? They attacked because South Carolina was one of the states that seceded from the union. Forces wanted the US Army to withdraw from Ft. Sumter, so Lincoln ordered for the fort to be attacked, leading to the Battle of Fort Sumter.[/QUOTE] And why did they want to secede from the union? Because they wanted to keep their slaves.
[QUOTE=Levithan;48044801]why don't fire fighters spray water at houses that AREN'T ON FIRE?? all houses matter[/QUOTE] "Who cares that all these white people died 150 years ago? Black people are in trouble now, so we should vandalize memorials to the dead white people to show them we mean business."
[QUOTE=The Calzone;48044799]You can say things in all-caps as much as you please, dude. It doesn't change the fact that racism is alive and well in America, especially in the South. If you haven't seen it, you probably aren't directly affected by it or don't keep friends that are affected by it.[/QUOTE] I never said racism wasn't gone? Of course there's racism. There's racism all around the goddamn world, not just the southern United States. Now back on to the memorial: the memorial states that it's in dedication to the troops who defended Ft. Sumter/Charleston. Where does it say anything about beliefs?
[QUOTE=aydin690;48044807]And why did they want to secede from the union? Because they wanted to keep their slaves.[/QUOTE] Who is they? All 9 million people in the Confederate states? Of whom an exceedingly small (<1%) amount ever kept slaves? Of whom most were wage slaves themselves?
[QUOTE=Levithan;48044801]why don't fire fighters spray water at houses that AREN'T ON FIRE?? all houses matter[/QUOTE] The gays being persecuted in modern society don't mater because only black lives matter. Or hispanics Or any other group persecuted Nope Only black lives
[QUOTE=Rocko's;48044792]What are you trying to get at? They attacked because South Carolina was one of the states that seceded from the union. Forces wanted the US Army to withdraw from Ft. Sumter, so Lincoln ordered for the fort to be attacked, leading to the Battle of Fort Sumter.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;48044796]Because Southern politicians were upset with attempts to outlaw slavery. But that's not why the soldiers were fighting. The soldiers were fighting because Union soldiers were flooding their cities and killing people and burning buildings. So commemorate the soldier. Remember the conflict. Love the soldier, hate the war.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=joshuadim;48044798]I believe I would like to hear an answer from you[/QUOTE] What I'm trying to get you people to understand is that no matter which way you slice it, the Confederate ideals of Slavery and Racial Supremacy were apart of those Troops, directly or indirectly. They weren't just fighting to defend those towns being burnt down, but because they believed in the Confederate's ideals. If they weren't, then they would have surrendered to the Union forces, but they didn't because they believe in the south.
[QUOTE=aydin690;48044807]And why did they want to secede from the union? Because they wanted to keep their slaves.[/QUOTE] The issue at hand was more than just slavery. It was also about state's rights. They were angry about the amount of interference the federal government was having in state affairs.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044818]I'm trying to get at the fact that the Confederate Soldier were defending the ideals of Slavery and Racial Supremacy, because that's what the Confederacy was about. If they didn't believe that, they would have surrendered themselves to the Union troops, but they didn't because those defenders believed in the ideals that the rest of south had as well. I'm sorry, but any which way you slice it, the Confederate's ideals were either directly or indirectly apart of the troops.[/QUOTE] Do you know what happened to surrendered troops? To surrendered towns?
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48044820]The issue at hand was more than just slavery. It was also about state's rights. They were angry about the amount of interference the federal government was having in state affairs.[/QUOTE] Because states rights means that they could keep holding slaves.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48044818]I'm trying to get at the fact that the Confederate Soldier were defending the ideals of Slavery and Racial Supremacy, because that's what the Confederacy was about. If they didn't believe that, they would have surrendered themselves to the Union troops, but they didn't because those defenders believed in the ideals that the rest of south had as well. I'm sorry, but any which way you slice it, the Confederate's ideals were either directly or indirectly apart of the troops.[/QUOTE] So what's wrong with a solemn memorial to be dedicated to the people who died there in large numbers?
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