• Donald Trump Says the Hate Speech from His Supporters ‘Saddens’ Him
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[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51372731]I have to say, when you're saying stuff like "launching a campaign with a bases of hatred and civil rights abuse" and saying that he aims to "systematically hurt millions of people", you have to take a step back and realize, [I]no,[/I] he's not. He's a terrible guy but he's not going to roll out riot squads into the street to hurt minorities, nor has he ever said he would. You can look at his policies and the promises he's made, but without severely twisting his words, you cannot arrive at the conclusion he wants to "systematically hurt millions of people." Listen to that sentence and focus on "systematically." You sound insane.[/QUOTE] Yeah, how could I forget. Because stripping the right to marry your lover simply due to gender doesn't hurt anybody, does it? And wanting to deport literally millions of people for petty reasons doesn't hurt, either, does it? Trump may not have come up on stage and yelled "I hate gay people!" or something, but his current pick for VP is a legitimately delusional religious zealot who thinks science is a hoax and that homosexuality can be "cured" by whispering to an invisible man in the sky. He's claimed he wants to overturn the right for LGBTQ people to get married - an action that would accomplish [I]literally nothing[/I] other than stripping citizens of their rights - as well as restricting trans people from [I]using the fucking bathroom.[/I] I mean, for fuck's sake, that last one is just petty. And that doesn't even go into his desire to build a wall across the Mexican border to try and stop illegal immigrants. And the fact that doing so would be absurdly costly to both do and maintain, and would statistically barely make a dent in illegal immigration, seeing as most illegals are people who came over on travel visas and just never left. Or his constant fear-mongering toward Islamic and Arabic people, as well as Mexicans in general. Hell, he even took the recent tragedy in Colorado and used it as an excuse to talk about fucking ISIS supporters again. And while saying that, simultaneously condones the ideas of scumbags like Pence, promising that he'd be "the most powerful VP in American history" or something to that effect. And on top of all that, it seems like he may have just been pulling a fast-one on all the hateful bigoted assholes in the country to get himself support, and only now is showing his true intentions by rolling back on all his "promises". And while I'd certainly approve of that, it still demonstrates that this guy is not trustworthy, is prone to changing his ideals on a whim, and that nothing he says should be given any sort of faith. I could go on and on about all the shit he's said and done since he started running for president and I'm not even an American! If Trump was half as decent as people were making him out to be, there wouldn't have been fucking rioters in the streets literal [I]hours[/I] after his victory was announced! Not even Bush got people that riled up before he even entered office. And Bush was a goddamn [I]nightmare![/I] Sure, Trump never threatened to start up death squads or anything. But you can hurt people without having them shot or beaten with sticks.
[QUOTE=Ona;51374750] Because stripping the right to marry your lover simply due to gender doesn't hurt anybody, does it? And wanting to deport literally millions of people for petty reasons doesn't hurt, either, does it?[/QUOTE] He's already stated since the election that he's not going to overturn gay marriage, so you can stop bringing it up. Trump did say he was against gay marriage in the past, but so did Clinton. They both changed their tunes. As for deportation, he recently stated on 60 minutes that he is focused on the illegal immigrants that are criminals, and even called the rest of undocumented immigrants "wonderful people." In those cases he seems to be implying he wants to push towards making them legitimate citizens. [QUOTE=Ona;51374750]He's claimed he wants to overturn the right for LGBTQ people to get married - an action that would accomplish [I]literally nothing[/I] other than stripping citizens of their rights - as well as restricting trans people from [I]using the fucking bathroom.[/I][/QUOTE] No, he's not. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/21/donald-trump-says-transgender-people-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/[/url] In the past he's supported HB2, which I mentioned earlier in the thread, but turns out his stance is different than what I thought. This is why you need to do research. I wanted to go point by point, but your post is just so full of misleading and flat out untrue rhetoric that I don't even want to bother. People are rioting because the far-left is acting like a bunch of children and stomping their feet because they didn't get their way, and is part of the reason Trump won the election in the first place. There are a lot of criticisms to have about Trump, but him being racist/homophobic just aren't one of them.
Remember when Trump said the judge handling the trump university case would be biased against him because the judge was of Mexican descent? That sounds pretty racist huh. Also he might not be homophobic but he does have Pence as VP, who most certainly is homophobic.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51376765]Remember when Trump said the judge handling the trump university case would be biased against him because the judge was of Mexican descent? That sounds pretty racist huh. Also he might not be homophobic but he does have Pence as VP, who most certainly is homophobic.[/QUOTE] Explain to me why it's racist to suggest somebody of Mexican descent might be biased against somebody who plans to build a wall on the U.S-Mexican border. Mike Pence as VP is a legitimate knock on the republican party, however I really don't think his radical views on homosexuality will lead to some of the shit people are worried about. Trump is president, and HE doesn't believe any of that nonsense.
[QUOTE=Kyklis;51372537]Christ, get off it. When has Trump promised to take away rights from the LGTBQ community? The only thing I can really find when I try to look into this is his stance on restroom access, which I don't find to be particularly unreasonable. I can find videos of him outright saying he supports the LGTBQ community, but I guess that's just him lying, right? Committing suicide over the results of this election is ridiculous, and people who attempt it genuinely need help.[/QUOTE] You're right, people who would attempt suicide genuinely need help. However there are concerns that transsexual people won't have access to that help.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51376823]You're right, people who would attempt suicide genuinely need help. However there are concerns that transsexual people won't have access to that help.[/QUOTE] Which, as far as I can tell, are unfounded until I hear/read some actual proof that their rights are going to be infringed upon. I understand the concern, honestly I do, but it's one thing to have concerns (which I think everybody does, myself included, about the results of this election) and another thing entirely to overreact the way people have been.
[QUOTE=Kyklis;51376819]Explain to me why it's racist to suggest somebody of Mexican descent might be biased against somebody who plans to build a wall on the U.S-Mexican border. [/QUOTE] Well okay, we should have a grizzly bear deliver the ruling because I feel that a white person might be biased for trump. Please bend over backwards in an attempt to justify trump's racism again.
[QUOTE=Kyklis;51376720]He's already stated since the election that he's not going to overturn gay marriage, so you can stop bringing it up. Trump did say he was against gay marriage in the past, but so did Clinton. They both changed their tunes. As for deportation, he recently stated on 60 minutes that he is focused on the illegal immigrants that are criminals, and even called the rest of undocumented immigrants "wonderful people." In those cases he seems to be implying he wants to push towards making them legitimate citizens. No, he's not. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/21/donald-trump-says-transgender-people-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/[/url] In the past he's supported HB2, which I mentioned earlier in the thread, but turns out his stance is different than what I thought. This is why you need to do research. I wanted to go point by point, but your post is just so full of misleading and flat out untrue rhetoric that I don't even want to bother. People are rioting because the far-left is acting like a bunch of children and stomping their feet because they didn't get their way, and is part of the reason Trump won the election in the first place. There are a lot of criticisms to have about Trump, but him being racist/homophobic just aren't one of them.[/QUOTE] To be frank, trump has contradicted himself so many times I don't know what to think anymore. If you are going to ignore the many times he said he will revoke gay marriage, why should we listen to the times that he said he protect it?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51376843]Well okay, we should have a grizzly bear deliver the ruling because I feel that a white person might be biased for trump. Please bend over backwards in an attempt to justify trump's racism again.[/QUOTE] Which is just as silly as what Trump said. My point wasn't that what he said was right, my point was that it isn't racist to suggest there is bias. It's just silly, because obviously Curiel can be impartial regardless of how he feels about Trump's wall. Would it be racist of me to suggest that somebody of Irish descent would be biased against Eddie Alvarez in last weekends UFC? No, of course not. It's not racist to suggest somebody would support their own countrymen.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51376823]You're right, people who would attempt suicide genuinely need help. However there are concerns that transsexual people won't have access to that help.[/QUOTE] If a trans person calls a suicide hotline, the person on the phone won't hang up, they'll talk and give help, and provide whatever info they deem necessary.
[QUOTE=Pops;51376890]If a trans person calls a suicide hotline, the person on the phone won't hang up, they'll talk and give help, and provide whatever info they deem necessary.[/QUOTE] I mean in terms of actual medical care they may need. Gender Dysmorphia is a real thing.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51376909]I mean in terms of actual medical care they may need. Gender Dysmorphia is a real thing.[/QUOTE] What I don't understand is why anybody thinks their rights to medical care will be taken away. Trump has stated he is for the LGTBQ community having and keeping the same rights as any other American.
[QUOTE=Kyklis;51376870]Which is just as silly as what Trump said. My point wasn't that what he said was right, my point was that it isn't racist to suggest there is bias. It's just silly, because obviously Curiel can be impartial regardless of how he feels about Trump's wall. Would it be racist of me to suggest that somebody of Irish descent would be biased against Eddie Alvarez in last weekends UFC? No, of course not. It's not racist to suggest somebody would support their own countrymen.[/QUOTE] Is there a politically correct term for racist now? Maybe ethnically challenged? Because apparently I can't call people what they are anymore. [QUOTE=Kyklis;51376870]Would it be racist of me to suggest that somebody of Irish descent would be biased against Eddie Alvarez in last weekends UFC? No, of course not. [B]It's not racist to suggest somebody would support their own countrymen.[/B][/QUOTE] The problem with your analogy here is that the judge was born in Indiana.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51376909]I mean in terms of actual medical care they may need. Gender Dysmorphia is a real thing.[/QUOTE] Well, I can understand if the person is already on some kind of medication and if they tried getting something that might cause an issue, the guy wouldn't want a malpractice case on his hands. Beyond that, I can't see any reason to deny them if they have health care and are legit citizens.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51376927] The problem with your analogy here is that the judge was born in Indiana.[/QUOTE] I'm well aware Curiel is American, just as you're aware his parents are Mexican. "Countrymen" isn't the best term, but you know I was referring to heritage. Just snip out the part you bolded, the analogy makes sense. Happy? For the record, I don't even agree with what he said. I think it was a stupid, irrelevant thing for him to say. I just don't think that statement or Trump in general is actually racist.
[QUOTE=Kyklis;51376965]I'm well aware Curiel is American, just as you're aware his parents are Mexican. "Countrymen" isn't the best term, but you know I was referring to heritage. Just snip out the part you bolded, the analogy makes sense. Happy? For the record, I don't even agree with what he said. I think it was a stupid, irrelevant thing for him to say. I just don't think that statement or Trump in general is actually racist.[/QUOTE] Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree there. Maybe we just disagree on the definition.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51377005]Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree there. Maybe we just disagree on the definition.[/QUOTE] To me, his comments were nationalist, if anything. He was asked to clarify it and he said something to the effect that Curiel was "very pro-Mexico." Mexican is also a nationality, not a race. We can disagree on the definition, but if you go by the actual dictionary definition, it's a big of a stretch to call his comments racist.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51370337]Too bad they can't afford mental help, I wonder why.[/QUOTE] The same reason that nobody else can afford medical care.
[QUOTE=Kyklis;51376720]He's already stated since the election that he's not going to overturn gay marriage, so you can stop bringing it up. Trump did say he was against gay marriage in the past, but so did Clinton. They both changed their tunes. As for deportation, he recently stated on 60 minutes that he is focused on the illegal immigrants that are criminals, and even called the rest of undocumented immigrants "wonderful people." In those cases he seems to be implying he wants to push towards making them legitimate citizens. No, he's not. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/21/donald-trump-says-transgender-people-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/[/url] In the past he's supported HB2, which I mentioned earlier in the thread, but turns out his stance is different than what I thought. This is why you need to do research. I wanted to go point by point, but your post is just so full of misleading and flat out untrue rhetoric that I don't even want to bother. People are rioting because the far-left is acting like a bunch of children and stomping their feet because they didn't get their way, and is part of the reason Trump won the election in the first place. There are a lot of criticisms to have about Trump, but him being racist/homophobic just aren't one of them.[/QUOTE] My point was never that he was "definitely going to follow through with all the horrible things he said". It was simply that it's pretty gross and hypocritical to act "saddened" by his campaign policies inspiring hate speech... When his campaign policies [I]basically were hate speech.[/I] I doubt we'll see gay marriage overturned (and I doubt even more that actually managing to overturn it would result in anything less than outright chaos) and I don't think he's planning to [I]actually[/I] deport millions pf people. Firstly because that's fucking crazy. And secondly because if it was that easy to deport people, somebody else would have already done it. Hell, I don't even think he'll manage to get that stupid wall idea done. Do you honestly think the supreme court would let Trump burn literal billions of dollars and years of work on what basically amounts to a monument towards intolerance? Hateful or not, doing that just isn't efficient in this day and age. But regardless of all that, regardless of what Trump goes back on. Hell, regardless of if he somehow turns out to be a great president (which I seriously, seriously doubt will happen) the fact of the matter is that all of this horrible shit[B][I] was part of his presidential campaign.[/I][/B] And yet here he is, after whipping up all the extreme-right dickwads into a hateful frenzy towards their fellow humans, after appealing to all the old, angry bigots who think gay people are "evil", after letting all the racist white fucks in the country feel vindicated by ragging on ethnic minority groups... He's now turning around and saying he's [I]"saddened"[/I] by all the hate speech? Yeah, I ain't buying it. I mean, I can even understand the vague argument of "he only did it to show America how embarrassing a huge portion of its populace is" but at this point, the whole stupid stunt just reeks of PR, like I said. And I don't believe a damn word of it. Tell you what, if Trump somehow manages to become an amazingly progressive president who actively improves the livelihood of all those people he effectively [I]terrified into fleeing the country[/I] with his presidential campaign. Then I'll write the big orange bastard a personal, heartfelt letter of apology. But until that day happens, I'm going to maintain that he's a twisting, wheedling, untrustworthy, hypocritical maniac and his presence in a position of power is something that the American public should be keeping very, [I]very[/I] close tabs on.
You're so blinded by hate for this man and the people that voted for him that it's not even worth getting into. I could refute your points a million times, you're still going to go back to the "Trump is a racist/bigot/evil piece of shit" rhetoric no matter what I say. The guy comes out and flat out tells people being hateful to stop and that it saddens him that it's happening, and you immediately jump to "it's just PR, he doesn't really care." The actual racists/homophobic pieces of shit that voted for him thinking he was on their side have the same problem that a lot of the left has right now; they didn't actually follow his campaign. They just listened to some soundbites and read/watched some incredibly biased news and bought it all without doing their own research into it. Even though Trump wouldn't be my first choice, he was the best choice there was in this election and I truly believe you'll be proven wrong over the next 4 years.
I followed his campaign and listened to his soundbites, NOT what the media SAID about him. He's contradicted himself a lot of the time and has actually gone back on a lot of his promises. I can't tell WHY that's happened. It's making him random and unpredictable. That's scary to me.
[QUOTE=Kyklis;51379136]You're so blinded by hate for this man and the people that voted for him that it's not even worth getting into. I could refute your points a million times, you're still going to go back to the "Trump is a racist/bigot/evil piece of shit" rhetoric no matter what I say. The guy comes out and flat out tells people being hateful to stop and that it saddens him that it's happening, and you immediately jump to "it's just PR, he doesn't really care." The actual racists/homophobic pieces of shit that voted for him thinking he was on their side have the same problem that a lot of the left has right now; they didn't actually follow his campaign. They just listened to some soundbites and read/watched some incredibly biased news and bought it all without doing their own research into it. Even though Trump wouldn't be my first choice, he was the best choice there was in this election and I truly believe you'll be proven wrong over the next 4 years.[/QUOTE] For the third, and final time. I never claimed that Trump is definitely going to ruin America or even that he's definitely a racist, sexist, or a bigot (although there are plenty of quotes by him that would indicate that he either is or was all of those things are various points.) However, his campaign, the platform he used to gain voters and the plans he made were, if I'm not mistaken, to build a wall across the Mexican border. To deport millions of people from America, and to overturn LGBTQ marriage rights. Now, if one or more of these claims is incorrect, and you can give me evidence for that, then by all means, please do. I do not need more reasons to hate Trump, that's for sure. However, given all the info I've seen, his political campaign did run on those platforms. And the fact he chose Pence to be his VP speaks volumes on its own. I'll say no more on this. I'm not looking to pick a fight here. For all I know, Trump might launch America into a new golden age. If so, that'd be great! But his political campaign was deplorable, no matter what else happens. The ends may justify the means. But the means were still horrible and I won't withhold judgement on it no matter what happens.
Strengthening the borders and deporting illegal immigrants isn't racist. Calling illegal immigrants rapists and murderers, which is backed by stats, is not racist. Had Trump said "get them dirty beaners out", that would be racist.
[QUOTE=Pops;51381349]Strengthening the borders and deporting illegal immigrants isn't racist. Calling illegal immigrants rapists and murderers, which is backed by stats, is not racist. Had Trump said "get them dirty beaners out", that would be racist.[/QUOTE] calling most of them rapists and murderers (while some are good people) is totally racist. it's putting them all in one group, not backed by stats, and is just as bad as hillary calling trump supporters deplorables. there are no stats that call a majority of them criminals. he's doing nothing but stereotyping.
How is this dude gonna say he can't understand where the hostility and hate speech is coming from when he's filling his cabinet with well known white nationalists and staunch anti lgbt figureheads, not to even mention the horrible shit he's said about minorities, women, and the disabled Fuck you trump [editline]16th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pops;51381349]Strengthening the borders and deporting illegal immigrants isn't racist. Calling illegal immigrants rapists and murderers, which is backed by stats, is not racist. Had Trump said "get them dirty beaners out", that would be racist.[/QUOTE] Credible sources on these stats dude?
[QUOTE=Naught;51381377]calling most of them rapists and murderers (while some are good people) is totally racist. it's putting them all in one group, not backed by stats, and is just as bad as hillary calling trump supporters deplorables. there are no stats that call a majority of them criminals. he's doing nothing but stereotyping.[/QUOTE] Stereotypes don't come from nowhere. Did y'all forget about that guy in san francisco who is a multiple rapist, and was deported 5 times? I know that a handful of people don't represent an entire group, but stop pretending it doesn't happen.
[QUOTE=Pops;51381443]Stereotypes don't come from nowhere. Did y'all forget about that guy in san francisco who is a multiple rapist, and was deported 5 times? I know that a handful of people don't represent an entire group, but stop pretending it doesn't happen.[/QUOTE] let's see those credible statistics
[QUOTE=Pops;51381443]Stereotypes don't come from nowhere. Did y'all forget about that guy in san francisco who is a multiple rapist, and was deported 5 times? I know that a handful of people don't represent an entire group, but stop pretending it doesn't happen.[/QUOTE] No shit a very large group of people includes some serious shitbags. But labeling the whole group by anecdotes is lazy and stupid.
[QUOTE=Naught;51381377]calling most of them rapists and murderers (while some are good people) is totally racist. it's putting them all in one group, not backed by stats, and is just as bad as hillary calling trump supporters deplorables. there are no stats that call a majority of them criminals. he's doing nothing but stereotyping.[/QUOTE] Do some research if you think it's not backed by stats. Look at how many criminal illegals are deported each year. He's not putting them all in the same group; watch his 60 minutes interview, he comes right out and says he's concerned with the [i]criminal[/i] illegals, and that the other illegals are wonderful people. Here's a decent report to get started, but you can find plenty of stats to back up his claims if you don't immediately dismiss them as racist. [url]http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Pops;51381349]Strengthening the borders and deporting illegal immigrants isn't racist. Calling illegal immigrants rapists and murderers, which is backed by stats, is not racist. Had Trump said "get them dirty beaners out", that would be racist.[/QUOTE] From what I'm reading, of the 11.2 million illegal immigrants in the US, 820,000 are considered to be criminal. That's 7.5 percent of the illegal immigrants. [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/09/02/trumps-fuzzy-math-on-undocumented-immigrants-convicted-of-crimes/[/url] And the report they cite: [url]http://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/understanding-potential-impact-executive-action-immigration-enforcement[/url]
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