• Peace talks in Israel are moving forward!
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[QUOTE=Uberman77883;23086466] Its disputed because the Jews had their shit there first and the Muslims won't let Jews [/QUOTE] Jews aren't allowed at all, not because of the Muslims. [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Hebrew_domeEntrance_sign.jpg"][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Hebrew_domeEntrance_sign.jpg/469px-Hebrew_domeEntrance_sign.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Wiki says that it's actually allowed to enter, but not pray, but I'm not sure.
Destroy all the holy places, no reason to fight then
So if i detonate that temple, islam and jews will start world war 3?
[QUOTE=Destroyertf;23104238]Destroy all the holy places, no reason to fight then[/QUOTE] That's not why people are fighting.
[QUOTE=starpluck;23104321]That's not why people are fighting.[/QUOTE] Holy shit it's not relgious? what the hell were they fighting over then.
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;23104333]Holy shit it's not relgious? what the hell were they fighting over then.[/QUOTE] Land.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23104340]Land.[/QUOTE] The origin is [B]mostly[/B] religion. WWII: geonocide of [B]jews,[/B] gay, handicap, (there's more). After WWII -> Jewish zionism: Jewish people want a coutry to call their home. UN gives them Jarusalem wich bounces with the Palastians: Islam.
[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;23104542]The origin is [B]mostly[/B] religion. WWII: geonocide of [B]jews,[/B] gay, handicap, (there's more). After WWII -> Jewish zionism: Jewish people want a coutry to call their home. UN gives them Jarusalem wich bounces with the Palastians: Islam.[/QUOTE] Jewish Zionism predates even Nazism, so not "after WWII". The Jews were persecuted by the Nazis because of their ethnicity, not because of their religion (many Jews who lived religion-less lives were still persecuted and the Nazis never said one thing about the Jewish religion). There's a lot more wrong in your post but I can't be assed to point it out, you oversimplified it to ignoring a lot of things, if you want to really understand the history behind the conflict, read up on Wikipedia or something.
[QUOTE=starpluck;23103970]Jews aren't allowed at all, not because of the Muslims. [URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Hebrew_domeEntrance_sign.jpg"][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Hebrew_domeEntrance_sign.jpg/469px-Hebrew_domeEntrance_sign.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/QUOTE] This is a warning from the Rabbinate to religious jews. Technically, it is not illegal for jews to go in.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;23086281]Holy shit!!! [B]World peace[/B] just might be possible. :D[/QUOTE] More chance of me flossing my own digestive tract with razor wire then bleeding liquid gold. PAGE KING MOTHER FUCKERS!! :coolfish: :synpa:
Note how OP spreads the Israeli propaganda on these forums: Derails threads which criticise Israel and makes threads which promote it, to try and change the opinion about this shity country while it builds walls between people and kills innocent civilians. [img]http://djiin.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dailymail_humanshield.jpg[/img] [img]http://kuropiii.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/boycott-israel-275x275.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23081468]Fuck yes fuck yes fuck yes! If we won't, I'm gonna rage.[/QUOTE] lol you're trying way too hard
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23117542] [img_thumb]http://djiin.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dailymail_humanshield.jpg[/img_thumb] [/QUOTE] Joke's on them totally ruins the aerodynamic properties of the vehicle and wastes gas But really that's absolutely horrible.
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23117542]Note how the OP spreads the Israel propaganda on the forums: Derails threads which criticise Israel and makes threads which promote Israel, to try and change the opinion about Israel while it builds walls between people and kills innocent people. [img]http://djiin.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dailymail_humanshield.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE] reminds me of the roadwarrior
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23117542]Note how the OP spreads the Israel propaganda on the forums: Derails threads which criticise Israel and makes threads which promote Israel, to try and change the opinion about Israel while it builds walls between people and kills innocent people. *pics*[/QUOTE] I don't only make threads that promote Israel ([url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=943316[/url]), I make threads that I think are in-the-news worthy. Aren't many others here "only make threads that make Israel look bad"? Because that's propaganda as well. Anyway, in an argument of for or against something, a person supporting one side doesn't have to present all the facts and evidence against his side, that's up for the other guy to do. If this forum was filled with conservative idiots from that forum posted here a few months ago, with the people saying "let's pray for Israel!", I would be on the other side of the argument, believe me, I feel ashamed that these are the people who support Israel in the US. [editline]12:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;23117786]lol you're trying way too hard[/QUOTE] I'm not trying. When I heard they were going to meet I was optimistic but after reading the posts on the forum I get more pessimistic, and turns out I was right all along and that progress was made.
@FreedomFighter Why'd you have to go and derail the thread?
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;23121794]@FreedomFighter Why'd you have to go and derail the thread?[/QUOTE] Yeah, all of his posts that I read were this and two "hey guys look at BurnEmDown's facebook profile lol" on two other threads.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23104623]Jewish Zionism predates even Nazism, so not "after WWII". The Jews were persecuted by the Nazis because of their ethnicity, not because of their religion (many Jews who lived religion-less lives were still persecuted and the Nazis never said one thing about the Jewish religion). There's a lot more wrong in your post but I can't be assed to point it out, you oversimplified it to ignoring a lot of things, if you want to really understand the history behind the conflict, read up on Wikipedia or something.[/QUOTE] Let me correct myself then: Zionism got a fuckload of supporters after WWII and still jews were persecuted by the nazi's, not just women of that height, men with a dong of less then a inch...
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23081468] I knew something will come out of these peace talks, now it's up to Israel to [B]forgive and forget,[/B] move the settlers out of the West Bank and parts of East Jerusalem, and help ol' friendly Mahmoud create a Palestinian state! If we won't, I'm gonna rage.[/QUOTE] oh, you know, not like they fucking created this mess or anything [editline]04:36AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23087439]I wasn't joking, it's just that the temple mount today isn't talked about much, usually the Wailing wall is more "important". Why the hell should Jews get out of Israel? [B]It's our home.[/B][/QUOTE] covered in a lot of blood, boyo. [editline]04:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Sickle;23103303]Stop trying to justify all of your wrongs by attempting to shit over our eyes. [editline]06:05PM[/editline] Also; this is a bullshit attempt by Israel to gain some political power again.[/QUOTE] counties which commit mass murder are not great countries [editline]04:39AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23104340][B]stolen [/B]Land.[/QUOTE] fixed
[QUOTE=Warhol;23141785]oh, you know, not like they fucking created this mess or anything[/quote] If they are trying to actually come up with a peaceful resolution you can't fault them as much. Sure, you can't make them out to be saints that are fixing all the problems in the region, but at least they are cleaning up some of their shit, which is more than a lot of countries do. [quote]covered in a lot of blood, boyo.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately most countries are covered in a lot of blood. People in the US are living in areas that used to be owned by another people that our ancestors committed genocide against many many years ago. My home might be covered in blood, but that doesn't mean it's not my home. At a certain point we have to move on and actually learn from our ancestors mistakes instead of constantly feeling guilty for it.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23104623]Jewish Zionism predates even Nazism, so not "after WWII". The Jews were persecuted by the Nazis because of their ethnicity, not because of their religion (many Jews who lived religion-less lives were still persecuted and the Nazis never said one thing about the Jewish religion). There's a lot more wrong in your post but I can't be assed to point it out, you oversimplified it to ignoring a lot of things, if you want to really understand the history behind the conflict, read up on Wikipedia or something.[/QUOTE] lol, burnemdown would have you believe the Zionists are innocent. [editline]04:41AM[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;23141891]If they are trying to actually come up with a peaceful resolution you can't fault them as much. Sure, you can't make them out to be saints that are fixing all the problems in the region, but at least they are cleaning up some of their shit, which is more than a lot of countries do.[/QUOTE] This won't be the first time they've gone to "peace talks" and fucked everything up [editline]04:43AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23121751] I'm not trying. When I heard they were going to meet I was optimistic but after reading the posts on the forum I get more pessimistic, and turns out I was right all along and that progress was made.[/QUOTE] you're the fucking guy who constantly makes retarded justifications for Israeli war crimes and you're saying WE'RE the pessimists? after all the shit the Israeli's did, we're the bad guys?
This thread is an embarrassment. The same people criticizing Israel for not taking a truce with Hamas are now saying actual peace with the West Bank is just a distraction from Israels evil. Do you really need to point out how evil they are when you are actually making progress? When Reagan and Gorbachev were becoming friends were you talking about the Great Purge or invading Afghanistan? Do you actually want peace or are you just Anti-Israel?
[QUOTE=Devodiere;23141966]This thread is an embarrassment. The same people criticizing Israel for not taking a truce with Hamas are now saying actual peace with the West Bank is just a distraction from Israels evil. Do you really need to point out how evil they are when you are actually making progress? When Reagan and Gorbachev were becoming friends were you talking about the Great Purge or invading Afghanistan? Do you actually want peace or are you just Anti-Israel?[/QUOTE] it's a matter of history, peace talks are not dealt with well with Israel.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23141896] This won't be the first time they've gone to "peace talks" and fucked everything up [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Warhol;23141984]it's a matter of history, peace talks are not dealt with well with Israel.[/QUOTE] It's true, and when I see real, long lasting peace, I'll believe it. I just don't want to give up all hope on Israel eventually changing and finding a peaceful resolution. It might be naive, or overly optimistic, but I think that there is still a chance they will finally do what's right.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23141984]it's a matter of history, peace talks are not dealt with well with Israel.[/QUOTE] They haven't worked before so it's best to just sabotage relationships and go back to the the previous situation? Peace is the ultimate goal and if it hasn't worked before, you try another method of gaining it instead of giving up completely. Actually recognising and negotiating with the Palestinian authorities is a huge step in the right direction so circumstances are already different to previous attempts.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;23142130]They haven't worked before so it's best to just sabotage relationships and go back to the the previous situation? Peace is the ultimate goal and if it hasn't worked before, you try another method of gaining it instead of giving up completely. Actually recognising and negotiating with the Palestinian authorities is a huge step in the right direction so circumstances are already different to previous attempts.[/QUOTE] The problem is most of the time Israel has been very uninterested in peace and in fact have become aggressors against Gaza. It's easy to give up on Israel when they seem to not want peace at all.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23141785]oh, you know, not like they fucking created this mess or anything[/quote] That's like saying the Americans created the mess of trying to get independence from Britain. And unlike the Americans, the Zionists rarely fought the British (only rogue groups like the Lehi and the Irgun, and they did so rarely too). [quote]covered in a lot of blood, boyo.[/quote] Our blood too. [quote]fixed[/QUOTE] You keep saying it's stolen land and I keep proving you it's not, when will you learn? [editline]11:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;23141896]lol, burnemdown would have you believe the Zionists are innocent.[/quote] Saying all of the Zionists are at fault for a few rogue group's crimes is like saying all the Muslims are at fault for Al-Qaeda. Well, are they? [quote]you're the fucking guy who constantly makes retarded justifications for Israeli war crimes[/quote] You're the fucking guy who won't understand that many of these alleged "war crimes" aren't really war crimes. [quote]and you're saying WE'RE the pessimists? after all the shit the Israeli's did, we're the bad guys?[/QUOTE] Do you even know what's a pessimist? [editline]11:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;23142226]The problem is most of the time Israel has been very uninterested in peace and in fact have become aggressors against Gaza. It's easy to give up on Israel when they seem to not want peace at all.[/QUOTE] Gaza =\= West Bank. The Fatah are a lot more cooperative than the Hamas, and as you can see, Abbas agreed right upfront to Israel's two biggest conditions for peace. The only thing I could think of that might hinder peace is these two possible outcomes: After the West Bank regains independence a terrorist organization could take over it and attack Israel, maybe with Iran's help which could get there much easier than Gaza. Or the situation will be like Lebanon, where the government isn't responsible for any terrorist action, but a terrorist group has control of quite a large portion of the country and will engage in terrorist actions against Israel.
[QUOTE=FreedomFighter;23117542] [img]http://kuropiii.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/boycott-israel-275x275.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Explain how I do this, what does Israel export? I don't typically buy TAR 21 rifles by the dozen and I know of very few Israeli exports which are not arms.
I can offer you something and then you can refuse it and claim you are boycotting Israel :v:
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