• No Drugs in Home of Ex-Marine Killed By SWAT Team
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[QUOTE=JamesRaynor;30181324]And of course there would be massive outrage if it was "Ex-Marine kills SWAT Team during Raid."[/QUOTE] I can legitimately say I want to see this headline some time. SWAT teams like this one need to die. That is the only way they will see they can't always get away with whatever they want. Really though, all the anti-police BS we see everywhere is a direct result of cops like these guys. I respect the police and what they do, but I have no respect for officers like these.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;30178607]Tl;dr version for idiots: The man did nothing wrong, infact, he rushed out to protect his wife and kid from what he thought to be armed invaders. Why? Because no-knock warrants are fucking [B]s-t-u-p-i-d[/B] These must've been some very inexperienced officers, or just a poorly funded team which has lead to a lack of training hours.[/QUOTE] Until some incredible badass takes out the entire team this will never end
:smith: I can only imagine that the last shot at the end of the video was some idiot SWAT killing the guy.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;30183071]:smith: I can only imagine that the last shot at the end of the video was some idiot SWAT killing the guy.[/QUOTE] he was shot 22 times. I think it's safe to assume that he was already deceased by the time that officer fired that last shot in the video.
To comment on the other article posted [quote]Seconds later, Jose was sprawled face-first in a pool of his own blood, shredded by dozens of rounds fired by the SWAT team. That's how his four-year-old son would later find him. Joel was left alone after Vanessa, who had gone out to plead for someone to get medical help for her husband, was assaulted and brutalized by the SWAT operators and then detained for questioning. The child remained alone in the house with the body of his dead father while Krygier developed a "tactical team" to extract the child at minimal risk. That is, minimal risk to the berserkers who had just killed Joel's dad.[/quote] I'm sure the child is going to grow up loving all kinds of law enforcement officers.
[QUOTE=bopie;30178770]I see this kind of story pop up every few months, and I hate that they never really catch on, just kinda fade away with every other news item. There needs to be more awareness about this, that SWAT team will surely get away with this. [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] [url=http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w215.html]Another article[/url][/QUOTE] That article has just a LITTLE bit of bias behind it, don't you think? Still awful that this shit happens, SWAT teams should be trained so much better than this. Damn shame, defending the country only to be cut down by your own.
"Goddamnit this is unacceptable I hope they are put on trial". That's not what they said about some people in Afghanistan or Iraq.
I guess that figures, surprised they didn't just go ahead and tell the media that they found a bunch of drugs anyway, it wouldn't surprise me, especially after the "OH HE SHOT FIRST MAN, err, nah lol, my bad" bullshit. [QUOTE=Falchion;30183670]"Goddamnit this is unacceptable I hope they are put on trial". That's not what they said about some people in Afghanistan or Iraq.[/QUOTE] Huh?
[QUOTE=Falchion;30183670]"Goddamnit this is unacceptable I hope they are put on trial". That's not what they said about some people in Afghanistan or Iraq.[/QUOTE] FPers have a tendency to be apologists for crimes against muslims
Quite literally fuck the police. They better get fired or at least be put behind a desk the rest of their careers.
Maybe I missed this somewhere but... why did he pull a [presumably] loaded gun out on the SWAT team?
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;30184384]Maybe I missed this somewhere but... why did he pull a [presumably] loaded gun out?[/QUOTE] Because his house was broken into by a gang of armed intruders without warning?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30184402]Because his house was broken into by a gang of armed intruders without warning?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how exactly the ordeal went down, but once you see it's the SWAT I would think compliance would be a lot more beneficial to resolving the issue than resisting. Since, afterall, he was innocent.
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;30184435]I'm not sure how exactly the ordeal went down, but once you see it's the SWAT I would think compliance would be a lot more beneficial to resolving the issue than resisting. Since, afterall, he was innocent.[/QUOTE] They started firing on him once they were in the door, and it's not always that easy to tell that it's the SWAT when you've been given no warning and you're fearing for your life.
[QUOTE=ironman17;30176322]The guys who shot the dude, and the guys that authorised the raid, should pay tribute to the family for the wrongs they did, even if it was an accident.[/QUOTE] As in they should be arrested on murder charges. You dont.fuck.up.a.raid.
Fuck the police.
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Thanks_for_the_TechnikalSupport_bro.png[/img] How kind. People need to stop using "pigs" to describe someone (last thread I was in someone kept posting "QUIT FEEDING THE PIGS!" to get people to stop buying games from Activision). From my experience, pigs are very cute and friendly creatures.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30184473]They started firing on him once they were in the door, and it's not always that easy to tell that it's the SWAT when you've been given no warning and you're fearing for your life.[/QUOTE] As far as the article goes, no where does it refer to any incident the SWAT team shooting on sight, as you imply. But to be fair, I agree that such a surprise can be a confusing ordeal and I agree that the SWAT's actions were too excessive. Even for them.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30180192]His wife woke him and told him there was more than just a couple with weapons. You'd think he'd at least try to verify who they were though before arming himself and going after them. That's the only thing that got him killed; law enforcement officers in general are trained to respond with force to people who are armed with weapons. If you want to be pissy with someone, then do so with the cunts who authorized these raids in the first place- not the team members who shot him; they were just doing what they were told to do. It's true that they made a mistake, but he made a mistake, too.[/QUOTE] For fucks sake, he wasn't even immediately combative, he went downstairs with a rifle, but he never fired and his safety was on. What's the harm in bringing a rifle just in case? If they were hostile he'd have some protection and if they were friendly then he could put it away, but apparently by doing that you risk getting shot by police officers. When a group of armed men standing around your housebreak in, you better get your head checked if your first thought is that you should verify them. He made no mistake. If anything it's the goddamn police's responsibility to verify who they're shooting at; it's their goddamn job and they failed at it while the situation occurred and in gathering intelligence. [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HeadshotDCS;30184499]As in they should be arrested on murder charges. You dont.fuck.up.a.raid.[/QUOTE] At the very least, the family should receive financial reparations from the city.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;30184778]Facts: It was in the middle of the night. He just woke up. It was dark. They didn't give enough warning. For all he knew, they could have been a couple people robbing the place. He believed his family was in danger. What would you do?[/QUOTE] Fair points. I'm just wondering, though, was he continually threatening them even when they identified themselves or did he actually surrender or whatever. And don't say "What would you do?" because, clearly, one's behavior changes depending on circumstances which makes any statement a moot point. [QUOTE=Fourm Shark;30184778] They claimed he fired at them, but the safety was on. Pull the pieces together. He.Did.Not.Show.agression[/QUOTE] All that tells me is that the SWAT tried to make an excuse for shooting him. Even with the safety on he could still show aggression by pointing the gun at the intruders (I truly doubt he wants to shoot any intruder but would rather scare them off) and as he waves his gun, there's no way the SWAT can see that he has the safety off.
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;30184905]Fair points. I'm just wondering, though, was he continually threatening them even when they identified themselves or did he actually surrender or whatever. And don't say "What would you do?" because, clearly, one's behavior changes depending on circumstances which makes any statement a moot point. All that tells me is that the SWAT tried to make an excuse for shooting him. Even with the safety on he could still show aggression by pointing the gun at the intruders (I truly doubt he wants to shoot any intruder but would rather scare them off) and as he waves his gun, there's no way the SWAT can see that he has the safety off.[/QUOTE] If you watch the video, it took all of 3 seconds for the police to start firing like crazy. I don't think he had much of a chance to do anything.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;30184778]Facts: It was in the middle of the night. He just woke up. It was dark. They didn't give enough warning. For all he knew, they could have been a couple people robbing the place. He believed his family was in danger. What would you do? [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] They claimed he fired at them, but the safety was on. Pull the pieces together. He.Did.Not.Show.agression[/QUOTE] It was the middle of the day by the way, the guy was asleep from working his night shift, with his wife and child awake during the day.
I wouldn't care if the guy mowed them all down with an M16. That'd be pretty rad.
[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;30176640]Fucking SWAT. Everyone's corrupt these days.[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with corruption, this is just incompetence.
This isnt the fault of the SWAT team or the Marine. Its the fault of the moron who gathered the intel FOR the SWAT team. The SWAT team was just doing thier job. They went in expecting to find drugs and potentially armed people defending them. They saw someone armed, they saw him in a potentially threatening stance, and they engaged him. The ex-marine had no idea who these people were, he was sleepy, so he probably didnt hear them yelling "POLICE" (Which they seem to be doing at :27 in the video). He sees a bunch of guys enter his house armed, and he instictively takes a threatening stance to protect himself and his family as he was more than likely trained to do in the military. Both parties responded as they were trained to and as such neither is at fault, the SWAT team should feel no responsibility. Whoever came up with the bad intel however, is absolutely at fault and should be punished.
[QUOTE=ironman17;30176322]The guys who shot the dude, and the guys that authorised the raid, should pay tribute to the family for the wrongs they did, even if it was an accident.[/QUOTE] Or pay their life for inefficiency.
In case you guys didn't know this, most SWAT in rural areas is just cops on overtime with AR-15s, extra range time, and basic knowledge of breaching tactics. Also, after watching the video, you don't need that much suppressing fire when the target is at the end of a narrow hallway, that's almost certainly excessive force. Their alleged refusal of medical aid to the victim should result in somebody's job being lost as well, seeing as that is against, you know, every possible understanding of the law and basic human dignity. In short, these were dumbfuck Sherrif's deputies in body armor, and I wouldn't hope any of the ones present to be on a SWAT team anymore, especially if I was in that area. And oh yeah, the breaching looked unprofessional as hell, everybody crowds around the door, and once it's open they all saunter back a bit and mosey around while taking turns shooting.
I dont know about you guys, but you can SEE them knock on the door and YELL "POLICE SEARCH WARRANT"
[QUOTE=beanhead;30188983]I dont know about you guys, but you can SEE them knock on the door and YELL "POLICE SEARCH WARRANT"[/QUOTE] that doesn't mean the wife heard it. she could've been far away from the door or listening to music for all we know. she woke up her husband and told him there were armed men outside.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30189038]that doesn't mean the wife heard it. she could've been far away from the door or listening to music for all we know. she woke up her husband and told him there were armed men outside.[/QUOTE] how can you not wake up from a siren going of right next to your house for like 5 seconds
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