Looks like the media is trying to create another Trayvon story - Teen dies after being tasered
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TASERs more deadly than firearms? I don't believe that for a second.
I can't get over the fact that he's named Israel.
[QUOTE=Scot;41802345]I can't get over the fact that he's named Israel.[/QUOTE]
What's so noteworthy about that?
[QUOTE=Apache249;41802336]TASERs more deadly than firearms? I don't believe that for a second.[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of taser related deaths, however a lot of them are due to medical complications. There are so many variables you can't really pin it on one single issue...plus the amount of times they're deployed too. People need to put in mind that it is a less-lethal option, it is better then being beat with a asp or shot.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;41802057]Why is chasing after him unnecessary? He was committing a criminal act and the police fight crime.[/QUOTE]
Because it's escalating the situation. The police have a duty to not just fight crime, but to protect the general public as well.
If someone is tagging a building and then runs off, the crime has been stopped. If the police have no reason to believe that person is a danger to anything other than the building's paint job, they shouldn't necessarily give chase. This is more obviously the case with car chases, which many departments have phased out entirely, but foot chases can lead to injuries as well. The suspect could get hurt (or killed, as we see now), an officer could get hurt, or an innocent bystander could get hurt. Police should never be acting in a manner that puts more people in harm's way than would otherwise be there if they didn't act that way.
In the end this isn't really comparable to the Trayvon Martin case though, as this case appears to be far more clearly a blatant overreaction.
[QUOTE=Apache249;41802350]What's so noteworthy about that?[/QUOTE]
What, are you named Germany or something?
The only things I've learned from these types of cases is that we need a more effective less-lethal weapons system to be in the hands of civilians and police officers.
When you charge at police with the intent to cause harm as most charging at police is, you deserve to be put down. They used the taster instead of the gun, and the kid died because of some condition or sensitivity. You don't run if it's a minor thing, and you don't charge at a cop and turn it into a major felony.
If he wouldn't have gotten killed, he would be in jail till he was in his 30s.
Since when does property damage warrant assault/possible murder with a taser? If they didn't wear blue and have a badge these idiots would be sitting in prison this time next year. The media may be blowing this out of proportion for the wrong reason, but why the hell do we trust idiots to have power over us just because they're cops?
[QUOTE=katbug;41802364]The only things I've learned from these types of cases is that we need a more effective less-lethal weapons system to be in the hands of civilians and police officers.[/QUOTE]
The only thing I've learned is that the majority of mass media is dumb and annoying.
And karmah thinks the US is the only place with police brutality, and corrupt officers.
He committed a crime and resisted arrest, the police officers pursued him, like they're supposed to do, they used non-lethal force in a situation that called for it, and he happened to die in the hospital the next day, because of an unknown heart condition.
The officers had no idea of knowing, just doing their job.
If someone was spray painting my home I would be damn pissed about it, and I would be angry if they did not run after him.
[QUOTE=Scot;41802363]What, are you named Germany or something?[/QUOTE]
Israel is just another Biblical name, along with Jacob, Joseph, Aaron, Felix, Noah, and many other names.
Facepunch [I]STILL [/I]dwelling on Trayvon. In a completely unrelated situation. You guys SERIOUSLY need to evaluate that bit of hypocrisy in your lives if you're going to continue calling people media drones. You've obsessed over that case far more than any Joe Schmoe I know who casually watches news. You are part of the problem.
[QUOTE=MR-X;41802355]There are a lot of taser related deaths, however a lot of them are due to medical complications. There are so many variables you can't really pin it on one single issue...plus the amount of times they're deployed too. People need to put in mind that it is a less-lethal option, it is better then being beat with a asp or shot.[/QUOTE]
By no means am I saying TASERs are perfectly safe, but more deadly than firearms? That's just not possible.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;41802401]Since when does property damage warrant assault/possible murder with a taser? If they didn't wear blue and have a badge these idiots would be sitting in prison this time next year. The media may be blowing this out of proportion for the wrong reason, but why the hell do we trust idiots to have power over us just because they're cops?[/QUOTE]
Murder means they planned to kill this kid, which they didn't. It is the job of police officers to protect property, it does not matter if it is a old shitty building - it is owned by someone. Therefor they have the right do what they please with the property without having idiots tagging it up or breaking in.
The cops where acting within their job duties. You can't compare random joe stopping a crime and a cop stopping a crime.
[QUOTE=MR-X;41802451]Murder means they planned to kill this kid, which they didn't. It is the job of police officers to protect property, it does not matter if it is a old shitty building - it is owned by someone. Therefor they have the right do what they please with the property without having idiots tagging it up or breaking in.
The cops where acting within their job duties. You can't compare random joe stopping a crime and a cop stopping a crime.[/QUOTE]
it's manslaughter or something like that
they unjustly attacked him (without intending to kill him yes) and he died anyway
attacking a fleeing teenager with a dangerous weapon is not in the course of any police officer's duty
at least not outside of the DPRK
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41802479]it's manslaughter or something like that
they unjustly attacked him (without intending to kill him yes) and he died anyway
attacking a fleeing teenager with a dangerous weapon is not in the course of any police officer's duty
at least not outside of the DPRK[/QUOTE]
Letting criminals escape is also not in the course of any police officer's duty
at least not outside of the UK
[QUOTE=Apache249;41802422]Israel is just another Biblical name, along with Jacob, Joseph, Aaron, Felix, Noah, and many other names.[/QUOTE]
Well you learn something new every day. I have never heard of someone being called Israel before.
[QUOTE=MR-X;41802451]Murder means they planned to kill this kid, which they didn't. It is the job of police officers to protect property,[/quote]
That's why I said assault/murder, because it was only intended as assault.
[quote] it does not matter if it is a old shitty building - it is owned by someone. Therefor they have the right do what they please with the property without having idiots tagging it up or breaking in.[/quote]
I never said anything to the contrary.
[quote] You can't compare random joe stopping a crime and a cop stopping a crime.[/QUOTE]
Why not? What gives them this magical immunity other than being government sponsored? This was not a case of protecting someone, it was a case of making sure some paint didn't get on the side of a building, and that somehow warrants assault?
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;41802474]The kind of fuck who charged the police, as detailed in the article.[/QUOTE]
ive read all three articles twice now and have failed to find where it says he "charged" at officers. can someone please tell me where it says he charged the officers??
[QUOTE=zakedodead;41802401]Since when does property damage warrant assault/possible murder with a taser? If they didn't wear blue and have a badge these idiots would be sitting in prison this time next year. The media may be blowing this out of proportion for the wrong reason, but why the hell do we trust idiots to have power over us just because they're cops?[/QUOTE]
You don't charge at the cops when you're fucking cornered. He would have assaulted an officer and he deserved to be tasered rather than shot.
[editline]11th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41802479]it's manslaughter or something like that
they unjustly attacked him (without intending to kill him yes) and he died anyway
attacking a fleeing teenager with a dangerous weapon is not in the course of any police officer's duty
at least not outside of the DPRK[/QUOTE]
He wasn't fleeing at the time. They caught him and he was cornered. He charged at them in an attempt to break free, while at the same time he would have tackled one of the officers. He deserved the taser or the baton.
[editline]11th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=zakedodead;41802514]That's why I said assault/murder, because it was only intended as assault.
I never said anything to the contrary.
Why not? What gives them this magical immunity other than being government sponsored? This was not a case of protecting someone, it was a case of making sure some paint didn't get on the side of a building, and that somehow warrants assault?[/QUOTE]
Are you legit saying what gives the cops authority to be cops.
facepunch never fails to amaze me again. A small act of vandalism doesn't justify chasing down the perpetrator and tasing him. The kid died, have some sympathy, this is a blatant overreaction and there really is no defending the polices actions in this case.
Not even remotely similar to the Trayvon case really.
What I don't understand is why aren't cops trained to handle the situation without a taser gun? Like I don't know, physically put him in submission rather then resorting to a taser. I can understand the use of it in a situation where the person might be armed or looks physically intimidating, but aren't there other ways to arrest a kid who's apparently not that big physically? I doubt he really posed a threat.
[QUOTE=Apache249;41802495]Letting criminals escape is also not in the course of any police officer's duty
at least not outside of the UK[/QUOTE]
they had already shoved him against a wall before they tazed him, it was a fucking pointless assault.
[QUOTE=lum1naire;41802657]facepunch never fails to amaze me again. A small act of vandalism doesn't justify chasing down the perpetrator and tasing him. The kid died, have some sympathy, this is a blatant overreaction and there really is no defending the polices actions in this case.
Not even remotely similar to the Trayvon case really.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that when you run from the cops, you're running from the fucking cops.
Why wouldn't they fucking chase him.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41802531]ive read all three articles twice now and have failed to find where it says he "charged" at officers. can someone please tell me where it says he charged the officers??[/QUOTE]
There is at one point in the video on the second video where they said he was reportedly resisting arrest, but that could have just been referring to the running and not anything about charging police.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41802667]You do realize that when you run from the cops, you're running from the fucking cops.
Why wouldn't they fucking chase him.[/QUOTE]
because it was a truly minor (just about as minor as they get) offence and they'd already stopped it
A taser is designed to be a non-lethal weapon. This is simply a freak accident, nothing more.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41802659]they had already shoved him against a wall before they tazed him, it was a fucking pointless assault.[/QUOTE]
Well obviously we're getting conflicting reports from the media.
[QUOTE]The Miami Beach officers reportedly confronted Israel Hernandez-Llach, who then fled on foot from the police officials. The officers state that when the teen would not stop, Officer Jorge Mercado shocked Israel Hernandez-Llach in the chest.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41802688]because it was a truly minor (just about as minor as they get) offence and they'd already stopped it[/QUOTE]
You do realize that in an offense, no matter how minor, there's still paperwork and fines and such?
It's how the police work.
When you run away from a simple fine and some community service, you're escalating the situation, not the cops.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41802667]You do realize that when you run from the cops, you're running from the fucking cops.
Why wouldn't they fucking chase him.[/QUOTE]
Because cops should be able to assess on their own whether or not to chase after a perpetrator and whether the situation calls for excessive force.
In this case it wasn't worth it to the extent they went to arrest a teen for a very minor crime that would of likely had little consequence. Instead the kid payed with his life.
also can making apocalyptically biased titles/OPs in SH only be bannable?
i get that it's kinda missing the point of the board but we can be sensationalist without catering to the political beliefs of whoever gets to post an article first
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