• Looks like the media is trying to create another Trayvon story - Teen dies after being tasered
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[QUOTE=J!NX;41803097]"the kid ends up making a charge for one of the officers. One officer uses the [B]taser [/B]on Israel, " taser is very much not excessive force, especially for that he didn't shoot the kid for running off Jesus Christ[/QUOTE] unless im mistaken nowhere in any of the articles does it say that the kid at any point charged an officer
[QUOTE=Beelzebub;41803082]idk man i'd say a police officer ignoring standard operating procedure and using unwarrented excessive force that resulted in the death of somebody is a trajedy[/QUOTE] Was what he going to do, karate chop him into submission before he attacked?
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41803113]I'm an immigrant. I lived in the USA till I was 18.[/QUOTE] Makes no difference at all. I live in the US and I wouldn't make sweeping accusations about the population like that.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;41803124]Was what he going to do, karate chop him into submission before he attacked?[/QUOTE] unless im mistaken nowhere in any of the articles does it say that at any point did the kid attempt to attack an officer
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41803123]unless im mistaken nowhere in any of the articles does it say that the kid at any point charged an officer[/QUOTE] regardless, its a taser, you can't expect a taser to be lethal but it just happens [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41803135]unless im mistaken nowhere in any of the articles does it say that at any point did the kid attempt to attack an officer[/QUOTE] it said it in the OP so if its true then yeah even if its not, then yeah, not that excessive
[QUOTE=Pig;41803131]Makes no difference at all. I live in the US and I wouldn't make sweeping accusations about the population like that.[/QUOTE] And have you been to any poor neighborhoods or talked to people about shit like that? They have no fucking idea more than half the time.
Can we just establish that Just running != tazer use Charging a cop = tazer use Though the OP has yet to provide any actual proof to suggest Israel actually charged a cop.
[QUOTE=J!NX;41803097]"the kid ends up making a charge for one of the officers. One officer uses the [B]taser [/B]on Israel, " taser is very much not excessive force, especially for that he didn't shoot the kid for running off Jesus Christ[/QUOTE] except none of the artcles linked mention anything about hernandez charging at the officers??? [QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;41803124]Was what he going to do, karate chop him into submission before he attacked?[/QUOTE] what are you even talk about. hernandez didn't confront the police in anyway, he ran from them and they tazered him
And when you're caught, you should just take the small sentencing or fine instead of running and escalating it.
Well this turned into a shitstorm rather quick. I don't think he should have ran, and I also think his death wasn't exactly expected when the Officer used the tazer on him. When someone charges you, you're going to defend yourself with what you have. Even if it's a small 'kid' they can still do damage. As seen from the Trayvon/Zimmerman case. The kid was half the size of Zimmerman in terms of body size, or experience. But yet, he bashed his head against the concrete, and busted his nose, to which Trayvon met his demise. All justified. If the officer just said, "Eh, I'll let the kid charge me and I'll wrestle with him". What then? What if the kid got the gun, shot the officer? What if he had a knife and sliced the officers throat? What if he sprayed paint into the officers face/eyes? I doubt the officer, when he shot the tazer was going to kill the kid, but he was doing what was necessary, and what was a non-lethal way of bringing down a irrational target. Turns out it was actually lethal, and so, the boy dies. Not to the cops wrong doing. It was the kids fault. Case in point.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41803165]And when you're caught, you should just take the small sentencing or fine instead of running and escalating it.[/QUOTE] better yet the police should follow proper procedure and not taser people like they were handing out candy [editline]11th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SatansSin;41803178]Well this turned into a shitstorm rather quick. I don't think he should have ran, and I also think his death wasn't exactly expected when the Officer used the tazer on him. When someone charges you, you're going to defend yourself with what you have. Even if it's a small 'kid' they can still do damage. As seen from the Trayvon/Zimmerman case. The kid was half the size of Zimmerman in terms of body size, or experience. But yet, he bashed his head against the concrete, and busted his nose, to which Trayvon met his demise. All justified. If the officer just said, "Eh, I'll let the kid charge me and I'll wrestle with him". What then? What if the kid got the gun, shot the officer? What if he had a knife and sliced the officers throat? What if he sprayed paint into the officers face/eyes? I doubt the officer, when he shot the tazer was going to kill the kid, but he was doing what was necessary, and what was a non-lethal way of bringing down a irrational target. Turns out it was actually lethal, and so, the boy dies. Not to the cops wrong doing. It was the kids fault. Case in point.[/QUOTE] actually read the articles linked instead of just taking the op's bullshit at face value. the kid did not charge the police, he didnt confront them in anyway. all he did was run.
It's going to sound so weird at the chants. "Justice for Israel!"
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41803054]And they should have checked themselves and stayed anonymous instead of seeking glory in the Snowden part, and Manning was too trusting.[/QUOTE] then imo your conception of crime has no justice
[QUOTE=Beelzebub;41803182]actually read the articles linked instead of just taking the op's bullshit at face value. the kid did not charge the police, he didnt confront them in anyway. all he did was run.[/QUOTE] Then don't run? I don't see your point. If a Police Officer asks you to stop, and you've done something illegal, then you better stop. If you haven't, chances are you're not going to be stopped? At least that's the way it is up here in Canada. Regardless, I've seen people be tazed because they were drunk, and stupid up here, and acting highly irritated toward others. It's justified, sorry you think otherwise. I'm sorry the guy died, but it wasn't exactly the officers fault for tazing someone doing something illegal.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;41803231]Then don't run? I don't see your point. If a Police Officer asks you to stop, and you've done something illegal, then you better stop. If you haven't, chances are you're not going to be stopped? At least that's the way it is up here in Canada. Regardless, I've seen people be tazed because they were drunk, and stupid up here, and acting highly irritated toward others. It's justified, sorry you think otherwise. I'm sorry the guy died, but it wasn't exactly the officers fault for tazing someone doing something illegal.[/QUOTE] actually its not justified according to miami beach polices own standard operating procedure on the use of force. unwarrented excessive force was used.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41803014]Vandalism is a crime still. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.[/QUOTE] so is fucking jaywalking, should you be chased down and assaulted for that too? [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;41803097]"the kid ends up making a charge for one of the officers. One officer uses the [B]taser [/B]on Israel, " taser is very much not excessive force, especially for that he didn't shoot the kid for running off Jesus Christ[/QUOTE] stop quoting MR-X's bullshit, there is no evidence that israel charged at the officers ban OP for literally making things up to stir up responses
This should be a open close case he charged at a police officer and the officer defended himself. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] If he did...
he didnt charge at the police
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41803253]so is fucking jaywalking, should you be chased down and assaulted for that too? [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] stop quoting MR-X's bullshit, there is no evidence that israel charged at the officers ban OP for literally making things up to stir up responses[/QUOTE] I didn't make anything up, that is something I read else where. There is dozens of articles from all kinds of sources. If something I read was incorrect it can easily be changed. I watched a few interviews and the only reason i mentioned what I did is because that was what the majority of people interviewed where saying. Making comparisons to the trayvon case, then on top of that you can easily see how articles are being worded. It isn't hard to follow a the medias trend... Instead of getting upset go find something that says otherwises. Also if you can't handle SH and how "heated" things can get don't come here. This area is utilized to share opinions, news stories regardless of if the opinion is popular or not. It isn't my job to post shit tons of media and articles. I did more sources then what other topics have, if you want to debunk anything go find the information yourself. That is the problem with the majority of topics, people simply are to lazy to find other articles that give them a wider perspective of the story and instead only use what is in front of them. Things like this should be openly discussed regardless.
[QUOTE=MR-X;41804376]I didn't make anything up, that is something I read else where. There is dozens of articles from all kinds of sources. If something I read was incorrect it can easily be changed. I watched a few interviews and the only reason i mentioned what I did is because that was what the majority of people interviewed where saying. Making comparisons to the trayvon case, then on top of that you can easily see how articles are wording. It isn't hard to follow a the medias trend... Instead of getting upset go find something that says otherwises. Also if you can't handle SH and how "heated" things can get don't come here. This area is utilized to share opinions, news stories regardless of if the opinion is popular or not.[/QUOTE] i did find something that says otherwise, the three articles you posted in the OP as sources, none of which mentioned trayvon martin or israel "charging" the officers. if you want to write up some moronic "heres my opinion :)" summary in the OP of a news article maybe you should include sources that back up what you're saying [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] and give me a break it has nothing to do with SH getting "heated" or me wanting to shut down your "discussion" it has to do with you making something up and trying to draw attention to your dumb thread by lying about the situation, spreading rumors and trying to say "pfft!! look, the media is making him another trayvon!!" when the article has literally no relation to the martin case [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] you aren't "following a medias trend" you're reading an article about a kid getting killed by police and drawing a connection to trayvon, then complaining about the media drawing a connection to trayvon (like you just did) even though they aren't and you're the only one that has turned it into a trayvon-related case
I can't wait for a mural of a skinhead shooting a taser at an artist.
I thought tazers were normally only used if the perpetrator had a weapon. Is this the case where this happened and the cops were congratulating each other? Or is that the one where they beat some kid up?
When police use lethal force, they get shit for it. When police use non-lethal force, they get shit for it. What if he was allergic to pepper spray and they used it on him and he died? What if they tackled him and he hit his head against the concrete and died? What if he had a heart problem and running from the police caused him to pass out and die?
[QUOTE=lanhacker1488;41802971]oh gee so if I beat up some guy and the cops come and I run away, they shouldn't chase me because the crime has been stopped? Or what if he's wrecking cars on a street, should cops not chase him when he runs away? vandalizing is more serious than you make it out to be[/QUOTE] Because the world is black and white and painting a letter on a wall is the same as beating up someone or wrecking multiple cars
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;41805214]When police use lethal force, they get shit for it. When police use non-lethal force, they get shit for it. What if he was allergic to pepper spray and they used it on him and he died? What if they tackled him and he hit his head against the concrete and died? What if he had a heart problem and running from the police caused him to pass out and die?[/QUOTE] would you prefer the opposite i wouldnt a free society cant exist without distrust of authority. thats the basis of the enlightment
What if he had an anxiety attack and the mere provocation caused him to heart attack his way into running and the shock killed him?
Considering taser fatalities are a fairly common occurrence it's obvious they cannot be ethically used against non-violent offenders. Saying "it was a freak accident" does not assuage the tragedy because the decision to use a device with a small but not negligible potential for causing cardiac arrest on an individual who was not posing any threat to anybody was entirely a bad decision. Also dismissively trying to compare this to the Trayvon Martin case is slimy as all goddamn hell
"Hey you doing illegal stuff! Can you please stop and come put these handcuffs on yourself?"
I think a load of people who are supporting the police in this thread didn't read the articles they were said to have shoved him against the walls and then shot him in the chest with the taser it'd be more understandable if he was running away like in the first article but the first article just doesn't have the witness reports
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41802356]Because it's escalating the situation. The police have a duty to not just fight crime, but to protect the general public as well. If someone is tagging a building and then runs off, the crime has been stopped. If the police have no reason to believe that person is a danger to anything other than the building's paint job, they shouldn't necessarily give chase. This is more obviously the case with car chases, which many departments have phased out entirely, but foot chases can lead to injuries as well. The suspect could get hurt (or killed, as we see now), an officer could get hurt, or an innocent bystander could get hurt. Police should never be acting in a manner that puts more people in harm's way than would otherwise be there if they didn't act that way. In the end this isn't really comparable to the Trayvon Martin case though, as this case appears to be far more clearly a blatant overreaction.[/QUOTE] At what point would you draw this line between just letting criminals get away and giving chase? Does this also apply to people observed Actively destroying property? Stealing? Shoplifting? Wouldn't you worry that setting the precedent that running from the cops means you can get off scot free so long as you're not harming anyone could spread?
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