• Looks like the media is trying to create another Trayvon story - Teen dies after being tasered
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[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;41807781]I wasn't referring to our conversation because there are no statistics to argue here. All this is is just a whiny kid acting like spray painting shit gives you license to run from police.[/QUOTE] this is a weird way to backpedal away from "he would have gotten a warning" but whatever. its not about whether or not by some cosmic morality he has a RIGHT to run away, its about whether or not running away is a reasonable response for a tagger, which it is. you seemed to disagree when you said that the only reason someone would run away is if they had warrants for their arrest lol, which isnt true
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41807797]this is a weird way to backpedal away from "he would have gotten a warning" but whatever. its not about whether or not by some cosmic morality he has a RIGHT to run away, its about whether or not running away is a reasonable response for a tagger, which it is. you seemed to disagree when you said that the only reason someone would run away is if they had warrants for their arrest lol, which isnt true[/QUOTE] No, you're totally right. The next time a cop sees some shithead run off he should just assume he's one of those wrongly-persecuted graffiti artists who are only running because "it's reasonable." If you run, they run after you. It's common sense.
[url]http://www.thelondonvandal.com/2012/02/dont-get-caught-doing-graff/[/url] Great example of one of the guides. Sometimes Graff artists tend to let the police get them, then work their way through the laws. Others like to just run like hell. All depends on the artist.
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;41807805]No, you're totally right. The next time a cop sees some shithead run off he should just assume he's one of those wrongly-persecuted graffiti artists who are only running because "it's reasonable." If you run, they run after you. It's common sense.[/QUOTE] are you like, have you completely missed the point of this little tangent we've gone on or are you just frantically trying to pretend it didnt happen?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41807826]are you like, have you completely missed the point of this little tangent we've gone on or are you just frantically trying to pretend it didnt happen?[/QUOTE] I'm speaking logically. The kid ran from the police, and faced the consequences of running from the police, i.e. being chased and tazed. You then argued that since the police at some point during apprehension may injure someone, all minor crimes should go unpunished, in the name of safety. I think you're missing the point.
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;41807839]I'm speaking logically. The kid ran from the police, and faced the consequences of running from the police, i.e. being chased and tazed. You then argued that since the police at some point during apprehension may injure someone, all minor crimes should go unpunished, in the name of safety.[/QUOTE] You're being intellectually dishonest. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously if you refuse to try to understand anybody else's arguments?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41807744] have you ever been arrested for vandalism or chased by police[/QUOTE] In high school I had troubles for a period of time, got arrested as a result. I have more than my fair share of experience with police.
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;41807839]I'm speaking logically. The kid ran from the police, and faced the consequences of running from the police, i.e. being chased and tazed. You then argued that since the police at some point during apprehension may injure someone, all minor crimes should go unpunished, in the name of safety. I think you're missing the point.[/QUOTE] nah see i never said that. what i said is that you sounded stupid when you claimed he would have gotten away with a warning because [B]that isn't true.[/B] you also claimed the only reason someone would run away from police after tagging a spot is if they have warrants out for their arrest, which is also stupid and untrue. try to keep up [QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;41807869]In high school I had troubles for a period of time, got arrested as a result. I have more than my fair share of experience with police.[/QUOTE] thats great but doesn't have anything to do with graffiti so no you're not really qualified to be telling anyone whether or not they'll get away with tagging
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41807863]You're being intellectually dishonest. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously if you refuse to try to understand anybody else's arguments?[/QUOTE] The only "point" that was brought up was that graffiti is a minor enough crime to justify running. Which is not true, if it were true, then vandalism and related charges would not exist. [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;41807880]nah see i never said that. what i said is that you sounded stupid when you claimed he would have gotten away with a warning because [B]that isn't true.[/B] you also claimed the only reason someone would run away from police after tagging a spot is if they have warrants out for their arrest, which is also stupid and untrue. try to keep up thats great but doesn't have anything to do with graffiti so no you're not really qualified to be telling anyone whether or not they'll get away with tagging[/QUOTE] This is literally what I'm referring to here. Also, good job asking if I had experience with cops then disregarding it like I'm a braggart, asshole.
A lot of the time when Graffiti artists run it is because they already have history with the police because of graffiti. Most aren't murderers or drug dealers (That's gang graffiti. Those are the ones with warrants and shit.) Either way, they usually run.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41807908]A lot of the time when Graffiti artists run it is because they already have history with the police because of graffiti.[/QUOTE] [B]Does not justify shit[/B] That has been, and will always be my point here. If you can't see it by now than there's no point in trying anymore.
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;41807882]This is literally what I'm referring to here. Also, good job asking if I had experience with cops then disregarding it like I'm a braggart, asshole.[/QUOTE] you have criminally terrible reading comprehension. i asked you if you had experience with vandalization and running from police not whether you sold your friend a gram after biology during your junior year. if you failed to understand that i was asking you if you had any experience with graffiti thats on you for failing english (should have been studying instead of dealing drugs!)
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41807919]you have criminally terrible reading comprehension. i asked you if you had experience with vandalization and running from police not whether you sold your friend a gram after biology during your junior year. if you failed to understand that i was asking you if you had any experience with graffiti thats on you for failing english (should have been studying instead of dealing drugs!)[/QUOTE] You're the worst, most intellectually devoid shithead of a poster I've met. Bye. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Orkel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41807653]I agree 100%! Cops shouldn't stop criminals at all! Vandalism should just be paid for by the owner of the property, right? Oh my god, you've solved all crime right there! I think we should get rid of handcuffs too. Sometimes they cut into people when they resist an officer, and it can cause them to get hurt. No. Crime is crime. If he hadn't been ruining private property he wouldn't have been chased by the police. If he hadn't been running from the police, he wouldn't have been killed by a taser in a freak accident.[/QUOTE] Graffiti is the most annoying form of crime for property owners, where I live you must paint over it or face fines for not doing so and none of the paint is paid by the government, but paid by the owners which gets expensive over time seeing as people tag the property the next night. It is so time consuming and the costs add up over time, but people have to do it because they will get fined. I don't really care if you're a "Graffiti Artist," but do it on your own wall or some kind of surface where it doesn't annoy owners.
[T]http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p714/Chernobyl426/be5432bc2e7b6dea6495130be7c18f1c_zps3e1ecb91.jpg[/T] Congratulations Kopimi! (Looks shitty, but I rushed it.) [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Aznsniper911;41807955]Graffiti is the most annoying form of crime for property owners, where I live you must paint over it or face fines for not doing so and none of the paint is paid by the government, but paid by the owners which gets expensive over time seeing as people tag the property the next night. It is so time consuming and the costs add up over time, but people have to do it because they will get fined. I don't really care if you're a "Graffiti Artist," but do it on your own wall or some kind of surface where it doesn't annoy owners.[/QUOTE] I completely agree. I only ever do stuff on my own walls or on paper. It sucks that you can get fined for that though.
No matter how fancy it is , signing your name on public propriety isn't art.
It is actually quite sad how many people blindly believe what the media tell them.
[QUOTE=areolop;41807724]Police are allowed per law to use reasonable force to gain control of a suspect. aaand in case anyone wants to fight me on this one:[/QUOTE] Good job avoiding what I said entirely. What BESIDES being a cop gives a cop the right to assault someone who's running away.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;41808502]Good job avoiding what I said entirely. What BESIDES being a cop gives a cop the right to assault someone who's running away.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to turn this into a philosophical argument now?
America always over-complicates the simplest shit. Not even Africa is this far out.
[QUOTE=Apache249;41808506]Are you trying to turn this into a philosophical argument now?[/QUOTE] Sorry I don't like to participate in circlejerks over legal technicalities.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;41808502]Good job avoiding what I said entirely. What BESIDES being a cop gives a cop the right to assault someone who's running away.[/QUOTE] If a dumbshit posts a shit argument on an empty forum, was it actually shit? [editline]12th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=zakedodead;41808545]Sorry I don't like to participate in circlejerks over legal technicalities.[/QUOTE] But you're fishing for every legal technicality there is.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;41808552] But you're fishing for every legal technicality there is.[/QUOTE] I am? So far I have mentioned nothing about the law as it stands, I've just been asking what right the cops have to assault someone just because they're cops.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;41808568]I am? So far I have mentioned nothing about the law as it stands, I've just been asking what right the cops have to assault someone just because they're cops.[/QUOTE] The pursuit of [I]justice.[/I] Happy?
The OP totally missed a golden opportunity for a sensationalist headline. The thread title should have been "US Law-enforcement engage Israel with lethal force"
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;41807534]I love this part, they finally realize they have no argument and just start spouting whatever they feel like and pretending it counts. This is where it starts to get fun.[/QUOTE] tehehe it's so cool to be condescending! You're going to make lots of internet friends for being so cool!!
[QUOTE=areolop;41807724]Police are allowed per law to use reasonable force to gain control of a suspect. aaand in case anyone wants to fight me on this one:[/QUOTE] [quote=Miami Beach Police's Standard Operating Procedure for the Use of Force] Electronic Control Device (ECD). The Department approved ECD is the “X26 Taser.” [1.3.4] [1.3.9a] 1) The ECD shall be used when: a) The subject is not in the physical control of the officer yet posses a threat; b) The officer, based on objective reasonableness, perceives an imminent threat of physical force against himself, other persons, property or self-inflicted injury; c) An animal poses an immediate threat to the officer or another person. [quote] yeh guy the kid running away from the cops was a totally reasonable excuse to use a taser despite the miami beach police sop for the use of force saying otherwise
[QUOTE=MR-X;41801838]Also here is a picture of his so called art.. [img]http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/MTvVOHOhlnxAaOtoBC4Lrg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTMzOTtweW9mZj0wO3E9ODU7dz00NTA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2013-08-08T215022Z_1_CBRE9771OO500_RTROPTP_2_USA-FLORIDA-TASER.JPG[/img][/QUOTE] that's the basecoat you dipwag, it's priming the area with a flat color and working out the lines, it all gets covered with the more proper work. Looks like they found him very early in the process
[QUOTE=zakedodead;41808502]Good job avoiding what I said entirely. What BESIDES being a cop gives a cop the right to assault someone who's running away.[/QUOTE] Good fucking God, I thought it was blindingly obvious. Here, I'll say it in as plain English as I can - Cops are trained to know exactly how much force should be used in any given situation, and trained to be aware of all his options at any given time. You are not. Go through police academy, get the training, and then if you still don't know why cops are trusted with this power, nobody can help you.
[QUOTE=Pig;41801948]I actually knew this guy in real life, he went to my school and was a member of a club I was also in. He was incredibly talented and although I didn't know him well he seemed like a really nice guy. The place he did the graffiti on was a vacant building that was already covered in nonsense and regularly had homeless living outside of it. While he probably shouldn't have ran, tasing him or even pursuing him was largely unnecessary. This kid was no more than 130 pounds, he didn't pose a threat to any officer, he wasn't trying to fight the police. In the end I wouldn't say the police are at fault but instead this is just a tragic misfortune with no one really to blame. The cops didn't mean to kill him, he wasn't trying to hurt anyone, the whole situation just sucks. [editline]11th August 2013[/editline] Here's a photo of the graffiti to put into perspective the severity of his acts. [IMG]http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/assets_c/2013/08/ReefaGraffito-thumb-200x144.jpg[/IMG] RIP Israel.[/QUOTE] If you charge a police officer, they're not gonna step aside and let you pass, you've got aggressive. It's a fucking shame the dudes dead, but he vandalised some cunts property, they're not just gonna fucking let him stroll away after that. If he hadn't ran, this wouldn't have happened.
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