• ‘Reichsbürger’ members in Germany have increased by over 50 percent: report
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[quote=Conscript]It doesn't change anything about the historical balance of of terrorism/extremism in the US.[/quote] That's silly. You're silly. Stop being silly. It changes many, many, things and if you can't see your way through to understanding how it changes those things then you're either being ignorant or aren't thinking through the words you're writing down. Really, you stating the phrase 'violent left' was a big clue-in to me on that to begin with, that you're not considering your statements before you're making them, but this is just further confirmation that I want nothing to do with debating you on this topic since you're clearly not interested in a facts-based debate but rather a confirmation of your pet theory for vindictive purposes that are both shallow and sad. Edit: And I did just read through your whole response now, which I tried to avoid as I feared the result that I'd find several problems with its every statement, and I'd just like to say: There are so many problems with so many of your statements and assertions that I could literally be up all night fact-checking all of that. There are more flaws than facts in them. I refuse on account of my sanity but recommend you fact-check your own statements.
Reichsburger sounds like a spoof food from Wolfenstein or Iron Sky
Im sorry but conscript are you just going to ignore what led up to militant unions at the turn of the century? violent union busting was the norm at that point, and many of the things turn of the century factory owners did to keep their workers in line fit the textbook definition of terrorism. As for more examples of cold war right wing terrorism let me give you these [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller[/url] [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr[/url]. [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing[/url] I can give you a couple hundred more if you want. What exactly are you basing the "more left-wing violence" spiel on anyways? Do you have any hard statistics?
Reich Burger sounds delicious.
[QUOTE=Amber902;53053460]Im sorry but conscript are you just going to ignore what led up to militant unions at the turn of the century?[/QUOTE] He can't ignore them when he isn't aware of the circumstances that led up to any of that.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53052693]Maybe? The Reich (not to be confused with Third Reich) and Prussia predate WO II, but in this case it's still probably people who would join Hitler.[/QUOTE] sooo [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_von_Ungern-Sternberg]Roman von Ungern[/url]?
[QUOTE=Judas;53052896]do you think Nazis havent been making a ruckus since then? white supremacist extremists have been responsible for the majority of terrorism in the US for the past two hundred years[/QUOTE] Do you have a source for this? I've heard it before too and I want to make sure it's true before I start bringing it up
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;53052660]So these guys are essentially Nazi sovereign citizens? Great. Just what we all needed.[/QUOTE] Not [I]exactly[/I], but the groups are probably interlinked enough for the distinction to be almost moot.
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;53053513]Do you have a source for this? I've heard it before too and I want to make sure it's true before I start bringing it up[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States[/url]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53053294]Reichsburger sounds like a spoof food from Wolfenstein or Iron Sky[/QUOTE] Reminds me of that [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU6tQY3eMLM"]scene[/URL] in the prologue of Old Blood. [I]Die Papieren bitte! Aus Freistaat Preußen? Sind sie Reichsbürger?[/I] Ja, ein ah... "Big Mac".
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53053276]That's silly. You're silly. Stop being silly. It changes many, many, things and if you can't see your way through to understanding how it changes those things then you're either being ignorant or aren't thinking through the words you're writing down.[/quote] How does the Dixiecrats flocking to the GOP and the southern strategy change anything about the balance of left and right wing terrorism/extremism that has always existed independently of these parties? [quote]Really, you stating the phrase 'violent left' was a big clue-in to me on that to begin with, that you're not considering your statements before you're making them, but this is just further confirmation that I want nothing to do with debating you on this topic since you're clearly not interested in a facts-based debate but rather a confirmation of your pet theory for vindictive purposes that are both shallow and sad.[/quote] What's with you making shit up? I've never claimed to be a historian nor have I used the phrase 'violent left'. Do ctrl-f and you'll find only yourself saying this. I also have no idea what 'pet theory' I have other than disputing the ignorant and transparently political claim right wing extremism and terrorism dominates the last 200 years of US history. [QUOTE=Amber902;53053460]Im sorry but conscript are you just going to ignore what led up to militant unions at the turn of the century? violent union busting was the norm at that point, and many of the things turn of the century factory owners did to keep their workers in line fit the textbook definition of terrorism.[/quote] I'm not. No form of terrorism exists in a vacuum, and by and large factory owners were not engaging in terroristic behavior. They broke up strikes, yes, but that's like saying the police are terrorists. Also, events like the Colorado Labor Wars got their start over antagonisms created by lengthening the work day and measures taken to prevent theft of high-value ore, and then the union leadership turning to militant forms of socialism. [quote]As for more examples of cold war right wing terrorism let me give you these I can give you a couple hundred more if you want.[/quote] Go ahead, just remember what you're supposed to be doing here. You need to prove white supremacy is the source of terror for the last 200 years and this justifies some kind of crackdown today on populist upsurge. [quote]What exactly are you basing the "more left-wing violence" spiel on anyways?[/quote] History books? This isn't controversial. Here's a Time article talking about the turmoils of the 60s/70s, when terrorism was far more prevalent: [url]http://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/[/url] [quote]Do you have any hard statistics?[/QUOTE] [img]http://i68.tinypic.com/nwewex.jpg[/img] [url]https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_TEVUS_GTDPatternsofTerrorisminUS1970-2013_Oct2014.pdf[/url] [quote]Between 1970 and 2013, 2,664 terrorist attacks took place in the United States. Perhaps the most remarkable observation about trends in terrorism in the United States over time is the fact that the majority of these attacks (55%) occurred in the 1970s. 3 The peak frequency of terrorist attacks in the United States recorded in the GTD was in 1970, when more than 460 attacks were carried out. In the early 1970s the number of attacks each year declined dramatically, first dropping below 100 in 1972. After a slight increase in the mid-1970s, terrorism continued to decrease steadily in the 1980s and 1990s, and the average number of attacks each year throughout these two decades was less than 50. Since 2000, the frequency of terrorist attacks in the United States has continued to decrease, averaging fewer than 20 attacks per year between 2000 and 2013. During this time period, the United States was ranked 28th among countries in terms of total number of terrorist attacks.[/quote] [quote]In the 1970s, nearly 1,500 terrorist attacks were carried out in the United States. During this decade, more than 100 perpetrators were identified; including both named organizations and those described using generic identities. The list of perpetrators that carried out the most attacks during the decade is marked by left-wing extremist groups, including organizations like the New World Liberation Front (NWLF), the Weather Underground, the Black Liberation Army, and the Chicano Liberation Front, as well as left-wing militants and student radicals not affiliated with a particular named organization. These perpetrators emerged as radical elements of the civil rights, feminist, and anti-war movements of the 1960s. [/quote] It's a bit more complicated than rubes and white supremacy being the source of all our troubles.
[quote]What's with you making shit up? I've never claimed to be a historian nor have I used the phrase 'violent left'. Do ctrl-f and you'll find only yourself saying this. [/quote] Just because you called it "militant labour movement" and "labor wars". And then you bundle it with [quote]I've never claimed to be a historian[/quote] Which is exactly the same kind of reply you are going against with "what's with you making shit up?" Because hey, he never said historian, use ctrl+f :^) Except it's bullshit, please don't take that line and reply to it, I don't intend to seriously use that way. God, this kind of arguing is so spineless and pathetic you should be ashamed of yourself. You do know very well what he meant.
Does Conscript know the first, and only succesful Coup d'état in american history was by the right wing in north carolina? As recent as 1896? The claim the left is the only source of violence is so bogus it hurts
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