• Michael Moore: Obama will be remembered as first black president, ‘and that’s it’
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[QUOTE=gufu;45953584]Stop posting anything about economics, please. You are not experienced enough to know how the economy works, much less, how to make it better. You don't even have your own opinion - you are parroting your fathers.[/QUOTE] This stands true for a LOT of american youth
[QUOTE=Charades;45951500]Clinton played as much of a part , if not a bigger part, in destroying the economy. People seem to forget that or give him a pass because he had a surplus before Bush stepped into office.[/QUOTE] OK, how much of the surplus was his doing, anyway? From what I remember of my study of the American system, it's the House that has power of the purse. Surely that means the budget is at the hands of Speaker Gingrich?
[QUOTE=SkolVikings94;45953637]This stands true for a LOT of american youth[/QUOTE] Not just American. Just youth in general.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45953721]Not just American. Just youth in general.[/QUOTE] Yeah I cant really speak for the rest of the world since I dont know :(
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;45951716] my father makes 50K+ a year, and you know why? Because he applied himself[/quote] Implying that everyone that makes less is lazy/didn't apply themselves strawman. [quote] the whole minimum wage increase shit actually hurts the middle class because people that make more the minimum lets say 13-15$ an hour, if minimum wage increases to like 10$ for example they don't make anymore and thus there wage is worth less when they strive to make more than minimum wage.[/quote] So because you don't make more money, they shouldn't either? Even though they already cannot support themselves off the money they make? Americans are the most underpaid, overworked and under appreciated for the jobs they do. If your justification for not raising wages is "then my wage will be closer to minimum wage" you have no justification, the value of your money doesn't somehow magically decrease because someone else is making enough to actually live their life without the looming threat of ending up on the street and/or starving to death. News flash: nearly every worker in America, sans the corporate suits that give themselves bonuses every year, are underpaid for the jobs they do. [quote] Everyone has the same opportunity to make something of themselves in life no matter what people say, [/quote] No they really don't, if this were true we wouldn't have so many people who were in poverty. It's hard for you to understand this concept because obviously you live a pretty well off life, but as someone who has lived through extreme poverty, I can tell you right now it isn't this happy cheery land of equal opportunity and sunshine. [quote] if you don't make very much money you will get a good fucking bit a financial aid to go to college but more and more people are either too lazy or just plain don't want to work or try to make more than minimum. [/quote] Implying everyone who isn't making above minimum is lazy strawman. Only point to make is that student loans, if you can even get them, will often put people in debt longer than a house loan, so there's that. [quote]An when minimum wage increases so does everything else and yes it may be good for the immediate future but after just a small time everything will increase in price and you will be back in the boat you were before it increased, it's just a viscous cycle. [/quote] That's not how economics works. The economy is mainly regulated by consumer spending, if consumers cannot spent, or if are at extreme risk of not being able to fulfill basic needs, they won't spend money and thus prices rise because less product is being moved. Companies make a lot of money in profits (profits being the money made POST expenditure and taxes) to the point where McDonalds, the largest fast food chain in the world, could raise the minimum wage of it's employees to $10.00 an hour and the price of everything on the menu would only have to raise $.25 to allow them to have the same (if not larger) large profit margin they already have. In return, you'll be increasing the average employee's wage by $1.75 an hour (assuming the same 8.25 as before), bringing them an extra $280 a month (assuming $10 an hour and 40 hour work weeks), this puts them at roughly $1600 a month before taxes, which is roughly enough to live a very basic life, probably with a room mate, but you'll be at least able to afford to survive a semi-healthy life. This doesn't even account for the reality of not working a 40 hour work week with minimum wage jobs, because the truth is, you won't. [quote]And that comment about the fifth beach house wow, I can see you are one of the people who are pissed that you don't make more on your shitty job that high school kids do to make a little extra money during the summer boo hoo. [/quote] Ad hominem and also factually incorrect. I own my own business, am a full time college student and work a seasonal job. The business being currently on hold as school is my primary obligation, however I make a very decent amount of money when I work. [quote] And around 40-50K is the average individual wage in the U.S so it's not like making that much you are rich...[/QUOTE] That's assuming a 40 hour work week, which by the rest of the world's standard, sans agriculture, is insane. The other point I failed to address is that you're assuming that the world could function if everyone simply applied themselves and got out of working minimum wage jobs. Sorry kid, but these jobs exist for a reason, they're needed and have to be filled by someone.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;45952627]On top of this he's also the first President that has seriously tried to implement a national healthcare system, had Congress not utterly butchered it America could've finally entered the 21st century.[/QUOTE] Both Nixon and Clinton tried to get healthcare through. Nixon had the best chance but then Watergate.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45948991]I wouldn't call a failed foreign policy a result of a "good diplomat".[/QUOTE] Defining a good diplomat is hard because it's pretty subjective but the world isn't on fire so I'd say he is doing atleast an okay job. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45948991]Russia is rolling around Ukraine[/QUOTE] I agree lets put M1 Abrams tanks on the border of Russia that should stop them. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45948991]Iraq is in near complete collapse[/QUOTE] The sectarian destabilization of Iraq is definitely Obama's fault honestly I can't name any other president in recent times who had anything to do with Iraq. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45948991]all the moderates we decided to throw our cards in with in the Arab Spring have bailed out or turned out to be worse than we thought[/QUOTE] Can you cite more specific examples than "all the moderates"? [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45948991]Syria crossed the dreaded "red line" and nothing happened[/QUOTE] Except we (the international community) found a safe non-violent way to dispose of all of his chemical weapons. Did "nothing happen" in your eyes because you would have rather seen Tomahawks flying into Syria? [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45948991]And now ISIS is spreading like a cancer in the middle east and the most we're going to do is drop a few bombs and yell how we did something about it.[/QUOTE] Do you want ground troops in Syria? Honestly you sound like a hawk right now. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45948991]I guess the economy is a bit better, but it's not like Obama himself managed to do that all. But he's definitely leaving office in a world that's more politically unstable both internationally and domestically.[/QUOTE] Like I'm not even the biggest fan of Obama but are you seriously going to sit here and say "eh the economy is better I guess but he doesn't get credit for that but Iraq is def his fault"? Really? [QUOTE=ilikecorn;45952789]The president that proved that you can successfully ignore American rhetoric in international politics with virtually no repercussions.[/QUOTE] Kind of like how Bush's "You are either with us or the terrorists" speech went out the door the second he started supporting terrorists who happened to work on our side? Rhetoric is exactly that.
[QUOTE=SkolVikings94;45953637]This stands true for a LOT of american youth[/QUOTE] .
I think 'bama is a nice guy.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45951840]Say what you want about his presidency, he's got a lot of charisma when he speaks.[/QUOTE] I don't get it. People say this, but [i]everyone[/i] jokes about how he orates like a weird robot.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45951767]This simplistic mindset is exactly why I hate most Democrats in this country.[/QUOTE] It's pretty clear by now that most Americans hold this simplistic mindset. That's what happens when you subscribe to a two-party system unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;45954203].[/QUOTE] I dont know what this reply "." means but whatever [editline]11th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;45954368]I don't get it. People say this, but [i]everyone[/i] jokes about how he orates like a weird robot.[/QUOTE] Ive never heard anyone say he orates like a weird robot and where I live everyone hates him
It's hard to do anything to get remembered by when the congress is so up his ass about making changes.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;45954689]It's hard to do anything to get remembered by when the congress is so up his ass about making changes.[/QUOTE] if you ask me, this was a [i]very[/i] pivotal presidency that will be a large note in the history books, not for Obama's actions, but the overall situation
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;45954689]It's hard to do anything to get remembered by when the congress is so up his ass about making changes.[/QUOTE] Well there's executive orders but apparently using them at [url=http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php]even a low amount in comparison to previous presidents[/url] will get republicans butthurt and threaten a lawsuit lmao
I'd prefer a president that isnt remembered for anything than a president that's remembered for terrible things (see: Nixon). Even then, I think that Obama did a lot of good that got muffled by the hate machine against him, particularly socially and I'd go as far to say economically. He's done a great job considering his opposition.
He killed Osama tho
[QUOTE=Duck M.;45955141]I'd prefer a president that isnt remembered for anything than a president that's remembered for terrible things (see: Nixon). Even then, I think that Obama did a lot of good that got muffled by the hate machine against him, particularly socially and I'd go as far to say economically. He's done a great job considering his opposition.[/QUOTE] The amount of hatred President Obama has gotten during his time in office is abysmal. Actually you know, it's not the amount, but what it's over. Birth certificate, kenyan muslim terrorist!!!! come the fuck on.
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[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;45954203].[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Pecs5mD.png[/IMG] Classy kid, aren't ya?
I don't think every president can be a great president. Sometimes the odds are stacked against you, sometimes you just happen to make the right decisions at the right time.
[QUOTE=gufu;45955753][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Pecs5mD.png[/IMG] Classy kid, aren't ya?[/QUOTE] Ahaha holy shit. When you get put the fuck down for having fucking awful opinions on those less fortunate than yourself, and having no idea how economies actually work, I don't think resorting to insults is going to make your point any better bub.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45955803]Ahaha holy shit. When you get put the fuck down for having fucking awful opinions on those less fortunate than yourself, and having no idea how economies actually work, I don't think resorting to insults is going to make your point any better bub.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't be surprised.
Great presidents are presidents no one recalls much off - because it was during those presidencies America was at peace the most.
"Bad things get talked about more than good things" yes
I will forever remember him as the janitor president that's all anyone can do for eight years when the problems caused by bush will last over 50
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45948315]He passed a piss poor excuse for national healthcare. The ACA is a massive joke, a shell of what it should have been. Instead we got played right into the insurance companies hands, now it's straight up "illegal" to not have health insurance. We're literally the only first world nation without a nationalised healthcare system, hell, even some DEVELOPING nations have nationalised healthcare.[/QUOTE] Not really Obama's fault. He had so many hoops he needed to jump through to be able to introduce a system without people crying "Communist!"
[QUOTE=kitthehacker;45956574]Not really Obama's fault. He had so many hoops he needed to jump through to be able to introduce a system without people crying "Communist!"[/QUOTE] In the US South, Black = Communist
[QUOTE=gufu;45955753][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Pecs5mD.png[/IMG] Classy kid, aren't ya?[/QUOTE] I'm not a kid.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;45956787]I'm not a kid.[/QUOTE] don't act like one then
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