• US has pressured Britain, Germany, Australia, to charge WikiLeaks editor with espionage
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what will giving people a full freedom of speech accomplish?
Their rights.
their rights to spew out their retarded views on different shit everywhere?
If it is classified, it should be held back and the leaker charged. It's government property and can endanger our dear country.
[QUOTE=Melnek;23999592]their rights to spew out their retarded views on different shit everywhere?[/QUOTE] That's their right you facist. [editline]03:05AM[/editline] lern2constitution [editline]03:05AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chezhead;23999612]If it is classified, it should be held back and the leaker charged. It's government property and can endanger our dear country.[/QUOTE] How
[QUOTE=Chezhead;23999612]If it is classified, it should be held back and the leaker charged. It's government property and can endanger our dear country.[/QUOTE] And just let more civilian deaths be covered up? People need to see the truth. Maybe the government should charged be for these crimes and not the leaker for simply leaking them.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23999666]That's their right you facist. [editline]03:05AM[/editline] lern2constitution [/QUOTE] lern2humanity the only way we, as a human race actually learn from our mistakes is by means of any kind of force, be it political force or physical force. just take a look at history. when freedom in general is dominant in a place it is usually a shithole because there isn't a authority figure there to keep the mouths of retards shut. humanity likes to corrupt every single tiny thing it can get its greedy hands on and in this case, wikileaks being that idiot who stands in the middle of the street saying shit like "THE GOVERNMENT IS OUT DAR TO GET YAH". it's trying to change something that cannot be changed, human nature. we are a hateful species who despise each other for having different views on life, we are slowly killing ourselves with pointless wars that will never stop. I can almost guarantee that when the war in Iraq or Afghanistan is over, in a few decades or even A decade a new war will arise. because that's just the way we are. instead of stopping wars and cooperating to do awesome shit like space exploration we like to kill ourselves, why? because war is productive and for the time being, we for some reason cannot find an alternative.
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[QUOTE=Melnek;23999968]lern2humanity the only way we, as a human race actually learn from our mistakes is by means of any kind of force, be it political force or physical force. just take a look at history. when freedom in general is dominant in a place it is usually a shithole because there isn't a authority figure there to keep the mouths of retards shut. humanity likes to corrupt every single tiny thing it can get its greedy hands on and in this case, wikileaks being that idiot who stands in the middle of the street saying shit like "THE GOVERNMENT IS OUT DAR TO GET YAH". it's trying to change something that cannot be changed, human nature. we are a hateful species who despise each other for having different views on life, we are slowly killing ourselves with pointless wars that will never stop. I can almost guarantee that when the war in Iraq or Afghanistan is over, in a few decades or even A decade a new war will arise. because that's just the way we are. instead of stopping wars and cooperating to do awesome shit like space exploration we like to kill ourselves, why? because war is productive and for the time being, we for some reason cannot find an alternative.[/QUOTE] Your idea of totalitarism and anti-humanist is pretty shit and a flat out fabrication. give me one example of a country that is shit because it doesn't kill dissenters. [editline]03:45AM[/editline] and three people agree with this fucking facist asshole, wow.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24000293] and three people agree with this fucking facist asshole, wow.[/QUOTE] you are an idiot.
[QUOTE=Melnek;24000313]you are an idiot.[/QUOTE] says the one who doesn't want people to have freedom of speech
I'm completely and utterly fine with freedom of speech I just think it should be controlled in some minor ways jesus christ you people like to blow fucking everything out of proportion
[QUOTE=Melnek;24000374]I'm completely and utterly fine with freedom of speech I just think it should be controlled in some minor ways jesus christ you people like to blow fucking everything out of proportion[/QUOTE] you basically want to silence anyone who doesn't have a favorable opinion [QUOTE=Melnek;23999523]what will giving people a full freedom of speech accomplish?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Melnek;23999592]their rights to spew out their retarded views on different shit everywhere?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Melnek;24000374]I'm completely and utterly fine with freedom of speech I just think it should be controlled in some [B]minor [/B]ways jesus christ you people like to blow fucking everything out of proportion[/QUOTE] [quote] their rights to spew out their retarded views on different shit everywhere? [/quote] >Retarded views lol, and you call me an idiot.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24000395]you basically want to silence anyone who doesn't have a favorable opinion[/QUOTE] what does having an unfavorable opinion accomplish? it just pisses everyone else off and does nothing else of value. you have your opinions keep them to yourself. simple as that
[QUOTE=Melnek;24000490]what does having an unfavorable opinion accomplish? it just pisses everyone else off and does nothing else of value. you have your opinions keep them to yourself. simple as that[/QUOTE] why shouldn't they have a right to express their views, no matter how dumb they are
Know who else said that? p. much every dictator in history.
because there is no point
are you a nazi?
hardly.
you make a pretty fucking good impression. [editline]04:04AM[/editline] So, lets play it your way: how do we deteremine what views are "retarded"? How do you enforce such restrictions? What do you do to people who won't stop voicing their opinions? What if, after being prosecuted, their opinions become favourable? What if the government arrested YOU? Would you still think the law is p. good?
[QUOTE=Warhol;24000572]you make a pretty fucking good impression. [editline]04:04AM[/editline] So, lets play it your way: how do we deteremine what views are "retarded"? How do you enforce such restrictions? What do you do to people who won't stop voicing their opinions? What if, after being prosecuted, their opinions become favourable? What if the government arrested YOU? Would you still think the law is p. good?[/QUOTE] things that we as a human race establish as bad. you don't. nothing. unless they cause shitstoms to people who both agree with them and to people who do not. uh, I dont know? if they government ever arrested me for things I know I did wrong then yes of course I'd think law is good. If it arrests me for having personal opinions on things that are not harmful to no man then it would be pretty dumb. but it really depends on what is it that you have your personal opinions on. if it's something that's not in anyway harmful to anyone then why should the government do anything about it? if it's opinions like "death to israel" or "kill all niggers" then yes the government should do something about it.
[QUOTE=Melnek;24000753]things that we as a human race establish as bad. you don't.[/quote] You know what the human race establishes as bad? restricting freedom of speech. Guess what boyo, you goin' to jail! [quote]nothing. unless they cause shitstoms to people who both agree with them and to people who do not.[/quote] You're REALLY backtracking on your argument here. [quote]uh, I dont know?[/quote] so you just send them a nasty letter telling them to shut up? [quote]if they government ever arrested me for things I know I did wrong then yes of course I'd think law is good.[/quote] but you're saying "any retarded opinions" should be illegal. What if the governemnt finds your opinion retarded. [quote]If it arrests me for having personal opinions then it would be pretty dumb.[/quote] That's what you're calling for. [quote]but it really depends on what is it that you have your personal opinions on.[/quote] Your little facist idea here is fucking crumbling. [quote]if it's something that's not in anyway harmful to anyone then why should the government do anything about it?[/quote] They shouldn't? You just gave examples of the opposite. you're all over the place. [quote]if it's opinions like "death to israel"[/quote] So if someone says "death to palestine" it's all good? [quote]or "kill all niggers" then yes the government should do something about it.[/QUOTE] Who is that hurting? you fucking nazi
[QUOTE=Melnek;24000753]but it really depends on what is it that you have your personal opinions on. if it's something that's not in anyway harmful to anyone then why should the government do anything about it? if it's opinions like "death to israel" or "kill all niggers" then yes the government should do something about it.[/QUOTE] it's not the government's business to dictate any of my opinions, however hateful or stupid they may be, so long as i'm not actually hurting anyone else. i don't particularly care if someone thinks all black guys should be killed because, while i think that opinion is inexcusably retarded, the majority of the public agrees with me. as such, his opinion probably isn't going to hold much weight in a political setting that isn't a dictatorship ruled by fuckup mcdumbass, supreme leader. as long as he isn't acting on those feelings and killing black people, i think it's okay for him to have and express his silly little opinion.
[QUOTE=Melnek;24000753]things that we as a human race establish as bad. you don't. nothing. unless they cause shitstoms to people who both agree with them and to people who do not. uh, I dont know? if they government ever arrested me for things I know I did wrong then yes of course I'd think law is good. If it arrests me for having personal opinions on things that are not harmful to no man then it would be pretty dumb. but it really depends on what is it that you have your personal opinions on. if it's something that's not in anyway harmful to anyone then why should the government do anything about it? if it's opinions like "death to israel" or "kill all niggers" then yes the government should do something about it.[/QUOTE] holy fuck you are the most retarded totalitarian future dictator i've ever seen. never get into a position of power.
Alright, what you boys don't seem to grasp is that military secrets should remain secret for a reason. Operational integrity, saving lives, accomplishing the directives given by the commander-in-chief in a timely and efficient manner(in b4 nitpicking at the fact that the War on Terrorism is a quagmire, I'm arguing in general here.) Would you consider it logical for every CIA database to be open for everyone to browse? That's basically what you're arguing for. I don't really know why, maybe you want your own country to crumble and die because you associate all things big and powerful with the guy who used to give you wedgies in kindergarten. It's kind of ridiculous tbh.
MingusMajor didn't read the thread at all and brought up the same exact argument that every other person opposing the leak did it's already been addressed plenty of times
u mad america
what exactly was in the latest wikileaks release anyways the most i saw was mapped points of conflict and casualty reports
The UK will obviously deny since Clegg will have a hissy fit if Cameron so much as raises his finger. Good.
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