US has pressured Britain, Germany, Australia, to charge WikiLeaks editor with espionage
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[QUOTE=Notnotprobydoby;23974759]It's funny how they first tricked other countries with false information to support them in their war against terrorism in Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ohadje;23975251]Are you warhol's alt?[/QUOTE]
Nope, haha.
[QUOTE=Vasili;23975468]I have not seen you post once without being a dick to someone or something. You can hardly talk. Also you keep going on about war-crimes, show me these war-crimes because I think you're pulling a lot of these 'war-crimes' out of your arse and blowing it out into massive proportions.[/QUOTE]
Innocent people dying is not massive proportions? If that was not bad enough the govt then covers them up.
[QUOTE=Vasili;23975468]I have not seen you post once without being a dick to someone or something. You can hardly talk. Also you keep going on about war-crimes, show me these war-crimes because I think you're pulling a lot of these 'war-crimes' out of your arse and blowing it out into massive proportions.[/QUOTE]
He's just a dick to anyone he disagrees with, it's who he is.
[QUOTE=Clark21;23975515]
Innocent people dying is not massive proportions? If that was not bad enough the govt then covers them up.[/QUOTE]
I get the impression that to him one war-crime will become 'the whole military kill civilians and commit genocide' etc.
I lost interest in this thread after it turned into one big rant...
Clark. You are sitting behind cover, you don't know where they are. You try to gauge their position by trying to remember where they were shooting from in the first place. When you pop out to shoot you fire where they last were, if there's a civilian there. Tough shit, he shouldn't be around a combat area. You seem to have the assumption that its obvious to figure out who's a terrorist in 3 seconds, you have the idea that everyone runs away from a gunfight. You have the assumption that terrorists won't force a civilian to die for them.
I believe Assange is an ass hat.
Anyone who calls the US army "The current most evil and corrupt organization" can pull their head out of their ass.
[QUOTE=Vasili;23975468]I have not seen you post once without being a dick to someone or something. You can hardly talk. Also you keep going on about war-crimes, show me these war-crimes because I think you're pulling a lot of these 'war-crimes' out of your arse and blowing it out into massive proportions.[/QUOTE]
at least I actually present an argument
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/26/war-logs-wikileaks-rebuts-criticism[/url]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-war-logs-military-leaks[/url]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/26/afghanistan-war-logs-us-marines[/url]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-civilian-deaths-rules-engagement[/url]
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;23975715]I believe Assange is an ass hat.[/QUOTE]
wikileaks is just a messenger
pfc. manning gave them these documents
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23975524]He's just a dick to anyone he disagrees with, it's who he is.[/QUOTE]
go away homophobe
@Clark, I don't feel like arguing with someone who blindly hates people who put their lives in jeopardy so we can sit here and argue about their decisions. You're making things to black and white for a war.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23976037]at least I actually present an argument
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/26/war-logs-wikileaks-rebuts-criticism[/url]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-war-logs-military-leaks[/url]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/26/afghanistan-war-logs-us-marines[/url]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-civilian-deaths-rules-engagement[/url]
wikileaks is just a messenger
pfc. manning gave them these documents
go away homophobe[/QUOTE]
You proved my point, how's about you check my posts in the prop 8 thread huh
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23976150]You proved my point, how's about you check my posts in the prop 8 thread huh[/QUOTE]
aren't you the one who supported DADT?
I was like, on the fence about it bro
not really
I remember you supporting it
either way it doesn't matter what I thought, all that matters is what I think currently.
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Isn't it your belief that people can change, even the worst of us?
Is pressuring isn't the same as has pressured.
Australia won't do shit... we're in the middle of an election.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;23975565]Clark. You are sitting behind cover, you don't know where they are. You try to gauge their position by trying to remember where they were shooting from in the first place. When you pop out to shoot you fire where they last were, if there's a civilian there. Tough shit, he shouldn't be around a combat area. You seem to have the assumption that its obvious to figure out who's a terrorist in 3 seconds, you have the idea that everyone runs away from a gunfight. You have the assumption that terrorists won't force a civilian to die for them.[/QUOTE]
Still defending the govt huh?
I would simply not pop out to shoot where they last were because of the threat of a civilian getting in the way. That would be careless and there would be a chance of a civilian getting shot(depending on the area).
'he shouldn't be around a combat area.' - He/she probably would not be there, and in the case that he/she is there and i am in an area what is know for civilians to congregate around i would not just fire where i thought the enemy last was.
Everyone WOULD either run or hide from a gunfight , if they are not doing any of these and they look armed, they are the terrorists, obviously.
'You have the assumption that terrorists won't force a civilian to die for them.' That depends on what you mean. Holding them hostage? In that case i would most certainly not just fire anywhere, i would take my time and aim, same goes if there are insurgents around the civs.
Of course , the situations vary but generally that is what i'd do if i was there.
[QUOTE=Sottalytober;23976128]@Clark, I don't feel like arguing with someone who blindly hates people who put their lives in jeopardy so we can sit here and argue about their decisions. You're making things to black and white for a war.[/QUOTE]
When did i say i hate them? I hate the corruptness of the governments. I hate people who say nuke afghanistan. I hate the trigger happy cowboys in the military who are careless. I could go on...
But the individual soldiers, i have mutual respect for going over there when they know the dangers. That is not to say i support why they went over there and what they are fighting for(a corrupt power loving govt). It is a lost cause, and if i could, i would bring every troop home.
I hate the fact that innocent people die and the Us govt contradicts itself when it covers the deaths up. Then people on this forum try to defend that.
Read my long post back on page 4, i think it will answer most of your counter arguements. I'm going for now, cheerio.
you guys are all so FUCKING horribly misinformed it is astounding.
wikileaks, no matter how great it is in your eyes, is fuckin shit up. it was good at first but they've gone too far with their latest leaks. these documents were classified for a reason, and they should remain that way. it's not okay to leak 96,000 classified government documents because you disagree with the way it's operating. it just isn't.
furthermore, wikileaks is making you guys ignore how much we actually ARE helping over there. your thirst for a reason to hate something is misguiding you horribly, and you're only reading the bad shit. grow up, all of you. jesus christ.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23963170]You're a fucking idiot.
You really really are.
The US army doesn't decapitate enemy combatants, the taliban torture and kill coalition forces, they torture and kill civilians.
Seriously you are so fucking horribly misinformed.[/QUOTE]
what is a waterboarding? i don't even know.
[QUOTE=Clark21;23976637]Still defending the govt huh?
I would simply not pop out to shoot where they last were because of the threat of a civilian getting in the way. That would be careless and there would be a chance of a civilian getting shot(depending on the area).
'he shouldn't be around a combat area.' - He/she probably would not be there, and in the case that he/she is there and i am in an area what is know for civilians to congregate around i would not just fire where i thought the enemy last was.
Everyone WOULD either run or hide from a gunfight , if they are not doing any of these and they look armed, they are the terrorists, obviously.
'You have the assumption that terrorists won't force a civilian to die for them.' That depends on what you mean. Holding them hostage? In that case i would most certainly not just fire anywhere, i would take my time and aim, same goes if there are insurgents around the civs.
Of course , the situations vary but generally that is what i'd do if i was there.
When did i say i hate them? I hate the corruptness of the governments. I hate people who say nuke afghanistan. I hate the trigger happy cowboys in the military who are careless. I could go on...
But the individual soldiers, i have mutual respect for going over there when they know the dangers. That is not to say i support why they went over there and what they are fighting for(a corrupt power loving govt). It is a lost cause, and if i could, i would bring every troop home.
I hate the fact that innocent people die and the Us govt contradicts itself when it covers the deaths up. Then people on this forum try to defend that.
Read my long post back on page 4, i think it will answer most of your counter arguements. I'm going for now, cheerio.[/QUOTE]
No, that means forcing them to hold a empty gun and telling them to aim it at the enemy. Go to a combat zone, get shot at, tell me if you're going to actually going to give a shit if there are civilians in the way of that terrorist or not. You're getting shot at, your adrenaline is pumping, and your friends might have been killed.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;23976697]you guys are all so FUCKING horribly misinformed it is astounding.
wikileaks, no matter how great it is in your eyes, is fuckin shit up. it was good at first but they've gone too far with their latest leaks. these documents were classified for a reason, and they should remain that way. it's not okay to leak 96,000 classified government documents because you disagree with the way it's operating. it just isn't.
furthermore, wikileaks is making you guys ignore how much we actually ARE helping over there. your thirst for a reason to hate something is misguiding you horribly, and you're only reading the bad shit. grow up, all of you. jesus christ.[/QUOTE]
These documents need to be released boyo.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;23976697]it's not okay to leak 96,000 classified government documents because you disagree with the way it's operating. it just isn't.[/QUOTE]
and why's that? the public (they are fucking paying for the war mind you) doesn't deserve to know the truth?
Holy fucking shit I'm getting an aneurism from the amount of retard in here.
Holy shit so much American-oriented hate.
I really don't care about leaks unless they pose a threat to people's lives or similar.
There is still a large scale combat situation there, a few bits and bobs of helpful buildings does not mean it's just.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23976850]and why's that? the public (they are fucking paying for the war mind you) doesn't deserve to know the truth?[/QUOTE]
Sure they can, but it isn't just the people who pay for it that are getting it, the enemies are reading these documents too and it's hurting the effort over there
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;23976836]No, that means forcing them to hold a empty gun and telling them to aim it at the enemy. Go to a combat zone, get shot at, tell me if you're going to actually going to give a shit if there are civilians in the way of that terrorist or not. You're getting shot at, your adrenaline is pumping, and your friends might have been killed.[/QUOTE]
Then if that's the case, the soldiers should not be there if they're to barbaric to watch their fire.
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[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23976881]Sure they can, but it isn't just the people who pay for it that are getting it, the enemies are reading these documents too and it's hurting the effort over there[/QUOTE]
Hurting efforts against the US [B]military[/B]. The military needs to leave.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23976881]it's hurting the effort over there[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
[QUOTE=Warhol;23976833]what is a waterboarding? i don't even know.[/QUOTE]
If you really don't know it's where the person is blindfolded and a wet rag is forced over the mouth and nose/whole head to simulate drowning.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding[/url]
[QUOTE=Ridge;23972267]Impossible. Only George Bush pressured other nations to do his bidding. Obama is a kind and benevolent leader, always read to forgive and forget.
[editline]05:05PM[/editline][/QUOTE]
Wow, that article put two irrlevant things together in a horribly biased mesh. That's disturbingly deceitful
[QUOTE=JDK721;23976928][citation needed][/QUOTE]
Well isn't it revealing names of people involved in spying and helping and stuff? Yeah...
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