• Manga images 'not child porn', says Sweden's Supreme Court
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[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;36373741]The argument that lolicon should be illegal is kinda like the argument that drawings of the holy prophet Mohammed should be illegal[/QUOTE] good thing literally nobody has argued that in this thread
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;36373741]The argument that lolicon should be illegal is kinda like the argument that drawings of the holy prophet Mohammed should be illegal[/QUOTE] No no, someone is trying to not seem pathetic to masturbating to cartoon porn.
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373681]look dude just because masturbating to catgirls and illustrated underaged girls isn't illegal doesn't mean we can't think you're pathetic. you're trying way too hard to justify it[/QUOTE] What do you want them to do about it? Abstinence from porn? That's not really healthy for quite a few people, especially when their sexual desires happen to be illegal to act upon. And I'm pretty sure there's no cure for pedophilia either. You don't have to justify their illustrated porn but deciding that someone is pathetic simply because they stimulate themselves with illustrated porn featuring a sexual desire they had no choice in acquiring is kind of pathetic in itself.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36373773]What do you want them to do about it? [/QUOTE] accept that they're creeps and stop trying to play victims
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373785]accept that they're creeps and stop trying to play victims[/QUOTE] This is the problem though. In a way pedophiles are a victim. Don't even pretend you wouldn't feel like shit if you were a pedophile. Pedophiles get the very short end of the straw when it comes to sexual attractions.
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373785]accept that they're creeps and stop trying to play victims[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that most pedos know that they're creeps
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373785]accept that they're creeps and stop trying to play victims[/QUOTE] applies to any fetish/philia you don't like
[QUOTE=xxncxx;36373839]applies to any fetish/philia you don't like[/QUOTE] cool good thing I'm not talking about just any fetish
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373851]cool good thing I'm not talking about just any fetish[/QUOTE] doesnt exemplify it from the fact that its an opinion
the main point is you dudes don't even recognize that, right or wrong, you're basically feeding a pedophilia fetish when you're jerking off to these catgirl/loli bullshit
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36373915]the main point is you dudes don't even recognize that, right or wrong, you're basically feeding a pedophilia fetish when you're jerking off to these catgirl/loli bullshit[/QUOTE] so? doesnt hurt anyone, doesnt affect you, why do you care?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36373915]the main point is you dudes don't even recognize that, right or wrong, you're basically feeding a pedophilia fetish[/QUOTE] it's okay that they're normalizing child abuse it's just your opinion bro it's just a fetish
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373922]it's okay that they're normalizing child abuse it's just your opinion bro it's just a fetish[/QUOTE] wow holy shit who ever condoned child abuse in this thread?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36373915]the main point is you dudes don't even recognize that, right or wrong, you're basically feeding a pedophilia fetish when you're jerking off to these catgirl/loli bullshit[/QUOTE] Are you implying that it would be possible to starve a pedophilia fetish? That's not how human sexuality works btw.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;36373926]wow holy shit who ever condoned child abuse in this thread?[/QUOTE] acceptance of lolicon normalizes child abuse. whether or not you acknowledge that doesn't really matter
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373922]it's okay that they're normalizing child abuse it's just your opinion bro it's just a fetish[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call masturbating to loli in the comfort of your parents' basement child abuse but w/e
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373938]acceptance of lolicon normalizes child abuse. whether or not you acknowledge that doesn't really matter[/QUOTE] except its already been proven that legalizing lolicon lowers child abuse.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;36373921]so? doesnt hurt anyone, doesnt affect you, why do you care?[/QUOTE] the idea that this shit isn't pedophilia is the idea that pedophilia isn't bad/abusive whether or not you think you should shame pedophiles, its a fucked up fetish and mental disorder for a reason, it leads to abuse of children who don't know any better, the fact that you're taking essentially pedophile porn and normalizing it and trying to class it as a regular ol' fetish among the likes of foot fetish and big boobs is just encouraging and creating a layer of denial for pedophiles
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373938]acceptance of lolicon normalizes child abuse. whether or not you acknowledge that doesn't really matter[/QUOTE] Wow holy shit I'm going to need lots of citations for this one. This is kind of a big deal. I mean you're the kind of guy who's big on citations. You could probably provide some.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36373599] yeah, no it doesn't[/QUOTE] *cough cough* [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36373509]They might like both, they might not. I only like gay stuff when it's drawn, I'm sure it could go the reverse as well.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36373247]how? they're illustrations of children. just being that they are fictional children has no impact on the attraction one might have to them. if you find a drawing of a fictional child attractive, chances are you find drawings of real children / photographs of real children / real children attractive. drawings of women are attractive to me just like real women are, it's not some magical new fetish just because they're fictional characters[/QUOTE] You know, I kind of agree but it looks like it isn't so in all cases. I've heard pedos say they find real children attractive but not loli, and I've heard many say that they find loli attractive but not real children. There were also some links posted a few pages back that said they weren't related. I'm guessing they're related in some to most cases. It still doesn't matter though, because wheter or not you feel attracted to real children, you're still just looking at drawn little girls and harming nobody.
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373938]acceptance of lolicon normalizes child abuse. whether or not you acknowledge that doesn't really matter[/QUOTE] Right, and acceptance of violence in media normalises murder. Oh and at least in sweden, cp was legal back in the day. People weren't raping kids in the street then, and they won't now. And [b]real, documented cp[/b] is not legal.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36373969]*cough cough*[/QUOTE] your completely illogical anecdote is worthless i'm sure you really get worked up over a cartoon penis but man there's no way if i saw a real naked dude just like in my cartoons i'd be turned on, no way!!
[QUOTE=UnMute;36373991]Right, and acceptance of violence in media normalises murder.[/QUOTE] rape culture normalizes rape but you don't see people raping everybody what exactly is your point [editline]1[/editline] I don't think you understand what normalization is
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373938]acceptance of lolicon normalizes child abuse. whether or not you acknowledge that doesn't really matter[/QUOTE] Hey, we've been here before. *presses replay* Just like video games normalize violence, right? It really doesn't. Studies have shown that pornography either does [I]nothing[/I] to "feed" the desires, or actually helps lower it because sex crimes have gone down in the period where various pornography has been legalized. There's literally no basis for saying that lolicon makes pedophiles more likely to offend. You're standing on exactly the same foundation as Jack Thompson does.
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373938]acceptance of lolicon normalizes child abuse. whether or not you acknowledge that doesn't really matter[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-pornography-rape-sex-crimes-japan.html[/url] [quote]The question of how or even if pornography is linked to rape or other sex crimes has been with different societies for many years. In the United States, it was shown that, as far as could be determined by a Commission appointed by U. S. President Lyndon B. Johnson (Pornography, 1970), no such relationship of pornography leading to rape or sexual assault could be demonstrated as applicable for adults or juveniles. [/quote] [quote]In the ensuing years, sexually explicit materials, first gradually and then in the late 1980s and into the 1990s rapidly increased in prevalence. The years 1990 and 1991 seemed a watershed. Major shifts developed in how much pornography was produced and how the obscenity laws were interpreted.......In Japan, rapes decreased 79 percent while public indecency decreased 33 percent.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36374049] Just like video games normalize violence, right?[/QUOTE] are you serious? of course violent media normalizes violence. it already has to a great degree people all over the world are desensitized to violence. rape and child abuse are soon to follow if this trend continues
Give me a minute I'll find some more stuff for you to read. [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] Same article as posted: [quote]Nicholas Groth, a specialist in the treatment of sex offenders, has written "Rape is sometimes attributed to the increasing availability of pornography and sexual explicitness in the public media. Although a rapist, like anyone else, might find some pornography stimulating, it is not sexual arousal but the arousal of anger or fear that leads to rape. Pornography does not cause rape; banning it will not stop rape. In fact, some studies have shown that rapists are generally exposed to less pornography than normal males (Groth, 1979, pp. 9)."[/quote] [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] [quote]In sum, the concern that countries allowing pornography would show increased sex crime rates due to modeling or that adolescents in particular would be negatively vulnerable to and receptive to such models or the society would be otherwise adversely effected has not been vindicated. It is certainly clear from our data and analysis that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan has been correlated with a dramatic decrease in sexual crimes and most so among youngsters as perpetrators or victims. We have mentioned some possible influential factors.[/quote] Another excerpt, same article [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] I also suggest you read this debate: [url]http://www.debate.org/debates/Lolicon-contributes-to-actual-sexual-abuse-of-children/1/[/url] [editline]17th June 2012[/editline] Here's even an article that was posted on FP some time ago: [url]http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/11/30/legalizing.child.pornography.linked.lower.rates.child.sex.abuse[/url]
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374061]are you serious? of course violent media normalizes violence. it already has to a great degree people all over the world are desensitized to violence. rape and child abuse are soon to follow if this trend continues[/QUOTE] So you think it causes more violence? If all it does is [I]"desensitize"[/I] people I still don't see the problem. It's only a problem if it actually causes harm. Violent video games don't cause harm, lolicon don't cause harm, don't give a shit about desensitizing.
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374061]are you serious? of course violent media normalizes violence. it already has to a great degree people all over the world are desensitized to violence. rape and child abuse are soon to follow if this trend continues[/QUOTE] Hey Sanius remember that thing you did in the pot cigarette news thread? [QUOTE=Sanius;36265079]citation needed [editline]1[/editline] seriously dude you can't just post a huge list of words without multiple citations[/QUOTE]
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