Manga images 'not child porn', says Sweden's Supreme Court
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[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36374111]
Violent video games don't cause harm, lolicon don't cause harm, don't give a shit about desensitizing.[/QUOTE]
by saying this you are essentially saying that rape culture is not harmful because it doesn't directly harm anybody
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36373993]your completely illogical anecdote is worthless
i'm sure you really get worked up over a cartoon penis but man there's no way if i saw a real naked dude just like in my cartoons i'd be turned on, no way!![/QUOTE]
Yes, because there is absolutely no difference between [url=http://gelbooru.com//images/1176/89a890ae45aaa8e0caa6f6eae24643d2.jpg?1387323]this[/url] and [url=http://u18chan.com/uploads/data/13325/5684a389_0c0d_8c5c_u18chan.jpg]this[/url] , and [url=http://www.popularpages.net/pics/gay-blowjobs_4_3648.jpg]this[/url]
(nsfw for obvious reasons)
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374126]by saying this you are essentially saying that rape culture is not harmful because it doesn't directly harm anybody[/QUOTE]
"Rape culture", whatever the hell that is, sounds like a harmful thing yes.
But lolicon does not promote rape, just as violent video games do not promote violence.
Look at the damned sources we've posted. You're selectively ignoring a lot of the posts here just so you can continue spouting the same uninformed bullshit...
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36374146]"Rape culture", whatever the hell that is, sounds like a harmful thing yes.
But lolicon does not promote rape, just as violent video games do not promote violence.
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normalization is not promotion. you don't understand what I'm arguing
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374157]normalization is not promotion. you don't understand what I'm arguing[/QUOTE]
It's not normalizing rape any more than regular porn is.
Discussing whether liking lolicon makes you a pedophile or not is completely irrelevant.
It doesn't matter what it makes you as long as you're not harming anyone.
I think a lot of people who like lolicon are just afraid of admitting that they also find real children attractive because they think it means they're suddenly horrible people. I don't claim to know this, as many people's stories and the previously posted sources say otherwise, but at least it seems that there is sometimes a link.
But holy shit, it still doesn't matter at all as long as the stuff is fictive and imaginary. It only becomes a problem when you start molesting children.
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374157]normalization is not promotion. you don't understand what I'm arguing[/QUOTE]
Okay, perhaps I don't.
It seems to me that what you're saying is that legal lolicon = more abuse.
That is not the case, but if that's not what you're saying then I'm sorry for misunderstanding you.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36374168]It's not normalizing rape any more than regular porn is.[/QUOTE]
that's an entirely different issue. most "regular porn" is between two consenting adults. all lolicon involving sex is legally rape
[QUOTE=Sanius;36373922]it's okay that they're normalizing child abuse it's just your opinion bro it's just a fetish[/QUOTE]
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/lmao21.PNG[/img]
why do you justify this so much
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374191]that's an entirely different issue. most "regular porn" is between two consenting adults. all lolicon involving sex is legally rape[/QUOTE]
*statutory at that, and doesnt mean non consensual.
ofc there are images where it IS rape, but that also applies to regular porn
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374191]that's an entirely different issue. most "regular porn" is between two consenting adults. all lolicon involving sex is legally rape[/QUOTE]
how can consent even be a thing in a drawing?
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374191]that's an entirely different issue. most "regular porn" is between two consenting adults. all lolicon involving sex is legally rape[/QUOTE]
it's also legally rape if a 17 year old has sex with a 19 year old
[QUOTE=xxncxx;36374224]*statutory at that, and doesnt mean non consensual.[/QUOTE]
statutory rape is rape. minors can not consent to sex
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374239]statutory rape is rape. minors can not consent to sex[/QUOTE]
lemme rephrase, its not forced
Aren't we still talking about drawings?
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374239]statutory rape is rape. minors can not consent to sex[/QUOTE]
not to mention there are images where its not even statutory because both characters are underage.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36374268]Aren't we still talking about drawings?[/QUOTE]
No, we're talking about how drawings can normalize actual child rape.
Without any citations.
I don't know what to think of this.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;36374233]it's also legally rape if a 17 year old has sex with a 19 year old[/QUOTE]
Well I'm glad that lolicon is about 17 year olds then.
wait
What about the argument of drawn child porn being used to groom children for sex?
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374191]that's an entirely different issue. most "regular porn" is between two consenting adults. all lolicon involving sex is legally rape[/QUOTE]
Repeat after me three times.
Drawn things are not real
[B]Drawn things are not real[/B]
[B][U]DRAWN THINGS ARE NOT REAL[/U][/B]
[QUOTE=Last or First;36374307]What about the argument of drawn child porn being used to groom children for sex?[/QUOTE]
Adult porn can be used to groom children for sex.
[QUOTE=Last or First;36374307]I don't know what to think of this.
Well I'm glad that lolicon is about 17 year olds then.
wait
What about the argument of drawn child porn being used to groom children for sex?[/QUOTE]
actually, lolicon can be about 17 year olds
[editline]17th June 2012[/editline]
pre pubescent, pubescent, or post pubescent, doesnt matter,
lol at people in this thread unable to separate a child abuser and someone who's a pedophile
just because society deemed a certain fetish to make you a despicable person and a "creep" doesn't mean you are don'tchaknow
Seriously, ages don't matter at all when we're talking about drawings.
You can draw something that looks like a 7 year old but have it actually be ~4000 years old because
it's fucking fiction
[QUOTE=xxncxx;36374324]actually, lolicon can be about 17 year olds. by definition lolicon includes all ages under 18.
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no it doesn't. lolicon originates from japan where the legal age is 13
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36374314]Repeat after me three times.
Drawn things are not real
Drawn things are not real
DRAWN THINGS ARE NOT REAL[/QUOTE]
literature can't normalize rape because it's not real
TV can't normalize violence because it's not real
wow thanks for clearing that up
like, it makes absolutely no sense to say that children can't consent when talking about lolicon. Yes they can because
it's fucking fiction
children can fly and shoot lasers and kill demons they sure as fuck can consent
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374345]
literature can't normalize rape because it's not real
TV can't normalize violence because it's not real
wow thanks for clearing that up[/QUOTE]
You said that all lolicon involving sex is legally rape
We're talking about drawings
If drawings were real, things like my title would exist (not that that'd be a bad thing, but still)
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374191]all lolicon involving sex is legally rape[/QUOTE]
And pray tell, how does consent and legal age apply to drawings of fictitious characters?
Because by this logic, a drawing of two adult (age 18+) characters from some videogame or cartoon engaged in non-consensual intercourse should also be defined legally as rape. Hell, while we're at it fanfics about Professor Snape raping Hermione should be legally defined as rape too and the authors imprisoned for many years.
This is just like that bullshit in Australia where images of legal age 18+ women who happen to have small/flat breasts are banned on grounds of being or simulating child porn.
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374345]no it doesn't. lolicon originates from japan where the legal age is 13
literature can't normalize rape because it's not real
TV can't normalize violence because it's not real
wow thanks for clearing that up[/QUOTE]
actually nevermind i retract my statement, its not really said what age it goes up to, but its still pre pubescent, post, or pubescent.
[QUOTE=Sanius;36374061]are you serious? of course violent media normalizes violence. it already has to a great degree
people all over the world are desensitized to violence. rape and child abuse are soon to follow if this trend continues[/QUOTE]
Proof or get out.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;36374337]lol at people in this thread unable to separate a child abuser and someone who's a pedophile
just because society deemed a certain fetish to make you a despicable person and a "creep" doesn't mean you are don'tchaknow[/QUOTE]
But Paedophilia is defined as a psychiatric disorder, not a fetish.
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