• Manga images 'not child porn', says Sweden's Supreme Court
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[QUOTE=Inufin;36338980] I can't understand how you can disagree with me about this: Watching loli won't make you a pedophile, but a pedophile watching loli might be influenced by it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, they could be influenced by it, but it also releases the sexual repression they feel so that those urges don't become desperation (which would then cause them to act on those influences). [QUOTE]If one is a psychopath it is not about trying to satisfy some urges. A psychopath doesn't care about feelings of others or the rules of society.[/QUOTE] Then using a psychopath as an example is probably a bad idea then, right? As sexual attractions ARE about urges. Of course that is not to say someone that is attracted to children cannot be a psychopath too, but that just means we'll have to find another way of treating these people.
[QUOTE=proch;36338948]Personally i think [URL="http://niggaupload.com/images/oIpPz.jpg"]this[/URL] is a tad more arouding than [URL="http://gelbooru.com//samples/1332/sample_1d5bafbf62431325d8eccb8c3cb51e00.jpg?1543889"]that[/URL], but i guess that's just an opinion.[/QUOTE] Chest too flat will not fap.
Swedish opinion piece against this: [url]http://debatt.svt.se/2012/06/15/helt-fel-av-hd-att-fria/[/url] An organization for prevention and informing of sexual assault against children and young adults apparently does not like this. They are along with the bandwagon that the acceptance of [i]anything that can be percieved as child porn[/i] is wrong. What the fuck.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36338827]Watching a movie about a psychopath won't make you a psychopath, but it might make a psychopath, [I]just a bit more creative[/I].[/QUOTE] And the winner of the award for "Most inappropriate use of a movie quote" goes too... Inufin! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCXYp0DN0nI[/media]
[QUOTE=proch;36338948]Personally i think [URL="http://niggaupload.com/images/oIpPz.jpg"]this[/URL] is a tad more arouding than [URL="http://gelbooru.com//samples/1332/sample_1d5bafbf62431325d8eccb8c3cb51e00.jpg?1543889"]that[/URL], but i guess that's just an opinion.[/QUOTE] yeah I wouldn't fap to 403 error either
[QUOTE=Ricool06;36339359]Then using a psychopath as an example is probably a bad idea then, right? As sexual attractions ARE about urges. Of course that is not to say someone that is attracted to children cannot be a psychopath too, but that just means we'll have to find another way of treating these people.[/QUOTE] Yeah I guess it was kind of an bad example in that case. But my point was that seeing material like this might trigger your mind in a way. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;36339509]yeah I wouldn't fap to 403 error either[/QUOTE] There was some crap at the end of the url that has to be removed. [URL="http://gelbooru.com//samples/1332/sample_1d5bafbf62431325d8eccb8c3cb51e00.jpg"]http://gelbooru.com/samples/1332/sample_1d5bafbf62431325d8eccb8c3cb51e00.jpg[/URL] [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Motherfuckers;36339483]And the winner of the award for "Most inappropriate use of a movie quote" goes too... Inufin![/QUOTE] Neat, I didn't even know that was a movie quote. Though I might have read it from somewhere.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36339345]I know and understand this. [B]It wasn't directed at you, just some pre-emptive stuff[/B] :v: Yes I have, and yes I understand what you mean, but the problem usually is that the connection is made with people who enjoy loli to be attracted to children. Of course it is not the case every time. [B]Actually from what I've seen, most people who like loli/shota couldn't give two shits about real kids.[/B][/QUOTE] [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] You still need to remove one of the /'s after .com :v:
I don't think they can help what they are sexually attracted to. Just as much as homosexuals can't help their attraction to the same sex (which people believes) With that behind it, isn't it a lot better they use drawings from the imagination to get off instead of watching real pictures/movies of real kids actually getting abused? I'm not denying that I don't think it's disgusting but I still think it should be okay as long as no one is actually harmed.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36338827]Watching a movie about a psychopath won't make you a psychopath, but it might make a psychopath, [I]just a bit more creative[/I].[/QUOTE] what's your point? literally anything can be a trigger. a paedophile could have his latent paedophillia triggered by a bloody bicycle seat.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;36339736]what's your point? literally anything can be a trigger. a paedophile could have his latent paedophillia triggered by a bloody bicycle seat.[/QUOTE] I just had like a mental image of a seemingly normal business man walking along, he looks down and sees a used condom lying ontop of a discarded child's sock in the gutter and he gets all sweaty and shit Cut to next panel of him 100 pounds fatter jerking it too manga, meanwhile two CIA guys hi5 over a job well done, make plans for the removal of annoying politicians.
[QUOTE=proch;36338948]Personally i think [URL="http://niggaupload.com/images/oIpPz.jpg"]this[/URL] is a tad more arouding than [URL="http://gelbooru.com//samples/1332/sample_1d5bafbf62431325d8eccb8c3cb51e00.jpg?1543889"]that[/URL], but i guess that's just an opinion.[/QUOTE] They're both horrible
When I first saw news about this trial, the Lundström guy explained they were "research material" because he's somekinda anime expert. Honestly, I think loli is pretty awful and I think that guy is pretty awful but I don't know if he should be put to jail or not.
[QUOTE=Falchion;36339841]When I first saw news about this trial, the Lundström guy explained they were "research material" because he's somekinda anime expert. Honestly, I think loli is pretty awful and I think that guy is pretty awful but I don't know if he should be put to jail or not.[/QUOTE] If it is depicting actual nearby children then I can see where the problem is. But fictional characters is fine with me, as no one is being harmed. Besides, the government has more things to worry about than people jacking it to kids that don't even exist.
All these people saying it's "awful" or "disgusting" I don't like furry porn, pony porn, or that fake ass porn america shits out by the boatload, you don't hear me saying you all should be jailed for it. it's called preference, and as long as it doesn't hurt anyone but yourself you can do whatever the fuck you want.
meanwhile in america simply seeing loli for 1 second will have you marked down as a sex offender for the rest of your life.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;36338788]I am rather interested to hear what makes you so sure.[/QUOTE] Because you get so used to fantasizing about [b]fucking kids[/b] that you could think you can take advantage of them because you get off to it all the time where do you think pedophiles come from?
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;36339736]what's your point? literally anything can be a trigger. a paedophile could have his latent paedophillia triggered by a bloody bicycle seat.[/QUOTE] My point is exactly what you said. Anything can trigger it and that would be the reason people tried to criminalize loli in the first place because they were afraid that it could trigger it.
[QUOTE=Falchion;36339841]When I first saw news about this trial, the Lundström guy explained they were "research material" because he's somekinda anime expert. Honestly, I think loli is pretty awful and I think that guy is pretty awful but I don't know if he should be put to jail or not.[/QUOTE] He lost his job as a translator because of this, and was on trial for 39 out of thousands and thousands of manga images on his hard drive. I wouldn't exactly think that he is awful because a small part of his material was questionable. This looked more like a punishment for being interested in japanese manga culture than anything. And the whole reason for his arrest was that his ex-wife wanted full custody of their daughter and lied about him. The police searching through his computer was just a consequense of this.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36339949]My point is exactly what you said. Anything can trigger it and that would be the reason people tried to criminalize loli in the first place because they were afraid that it could trigger it.[/QUOTE] I agree, I can see where everyone else point comes from, that if you watch it and like then that's your own business. I just know for a fact that since this is decriminalized some (not all) people will blur the line between what's legal and what isn't because of it in this case.
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36339946]Because you get so used to fantasizing about [b]fucking kids[/b] that you could think you can take advantage of them because you get off to it all the time where do you think pedophiles come from?[/QUOTE] I bet you also think homosexuality is a choice.
[QUOTE=Crimor;36340139]I bet you also think homosexuality is a choice.[/QUOTE] how the fuck does that apply to anything so you're born to want to fuck kids no matter what? children aren't a gender, so yes pedophilia is a choice, you either go past the point or you don't plain and simple.
It's called sexual preference, some people like redheads, some people like blondes, nobody likes gingers, some people like old people, some people like young people. And as I said earlier, most people who like loli, does not like real kids. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] And you're being stupid and mistaking pedophilia for being a child rapist. You probably look at porn, correct? Do you go out and rape women/men/horses after that?
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340176]how the fuck does that apply to anything so you're born to want to fuck kids no matter what? [B]children aren't a gender[/B], so yes pedophilia is a choice, you either go past the point or you don't plain and simple.[/QUOTE] You know that the human brain doesn't determine attractiveness on whether it perceives someone or something to be male or female right? It can find a whole plethora of characteristics attractive without knowing if the hold of these features is a man or woman. Most of the time, people can't control who or what they are attracted to, so the fact that a lot of countries use outdated means like prohibition of animated child pornography to stop abuse is idiotic. Stop trying to justify your discomfort and hate by making statements about something you clearly don't understand.
Here is something to stop comparing, paedophilia to homosexuality; paedophilia is a fetish, homosexuality is a sexuality.
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340176]how the fuck does that apply to anything so you're born to want to fuck kids no matter what? children aren't a gender, so yes pedophilia is a choice, you either go past the point or you don't plain and simple.[/QUOTE] It astounds me as to how you can actually think pedophilia = child rape. People actually can like the thought of having sex with children, not do it because it's wrong, and you know what, they still are pedophiles.
Actually, for something to be a fetish it has to be an inanimate object, like stockings for example, but I know you meant something else, just correcting ya :v:
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340176]children aren't a gender, so yes pedophilia is a choice[/QUOTE] :|
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;36340316]:|[/QUOTE] He's so misguided that it's kinda cute, can we keep him? :v:
[QUOTE=Crimor;36340213]It's called sexual preference, some people like redheads, some people like blondes, nobody likes gingers, some people like old people, some people like young people. And as I said earlier, most people who like loli, does not like real kids. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] And you're being stupid and mistaking pedophilia for being a child rapist. You probably look at porn, correct? Do you go out and rape women/men/horses after that?[/QUOTE] Okay so seeing as its a sexual preference (I honestly cannot comprehend it), you're saying that it cannot be helped? You're not born with the chemical reactions to make you want to fuck your offspring (fake or not), homosexuality I can understand you may be born with, but not finding children arousing You can't deny that with this taking place people with see a blur between what you can and cant do; now i'm not saying everyone will, you can spank it to young kids all you want man, but it is really sick, and can be changed. Want to know how? Stop thinking about fucking kids .. And your priorities are fucked up, i go and get women to sleep with me, not force .
[QUOTE=acds;36338586]I do find people jacking it to loli weird and kinda sick (after all, you are fapping to the sexual thought of children), but that hardly means it's criminal.[/QUOTE] Might be a bit weird, but that's not what he does. He translates manga.
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