Manga images 'not child porn', says Sweden's Supreme Court
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[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340335]You're not born with the chemical reactions to make you want to fuck your offspring (fake or not), homosexuality I can understand you may be born with, but not finding children arousing[/QUOTE]
yes pedophilia is definitely a choice and to become a pedophile you have to pour child-fucking chemicals directly onto your brain
[QUOTE=Crimor;36340310]Actually, for something to be a fetish it has to be an inanimate object, like stockings for example, but I know you meant something else, just correcting ya :v:[/QUOTE]
oh you really know nothing
the most popular fetish off the top of my head i can think of is feet and those are obviously inanimate right
and i probably worded my choice comment wrong, but in a way it is a choice, you're just not suddenly born with the [b]fetish[/b] of fucking kids, how do you not see this
I just find it astounding that some of you guys are actually trying to [i]justify[/i] it like its a good thing you should be proud of
[QUOTE=Crimor;36340310]Actually, for something to be a fetish it has to be an inanimate object, like stockings for example, but I know you meant something else, just correcting ya :v:[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia tells me sexual fetishism is both for certain situations or objects and we all know wikipedia is infallible so
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340335]Okay so seeing as its a sexual preference (I honestly cannot comprehend it), you're saying that it cannot be helped? You're not born with the chemical reactions to make you want to fuck your offspring (fake or not), homosexuality I can understand you may be born with, but not finding children arousing
You can't deny that with this taking place people with see a blur between what you can and cant do; now i'm not saying everyone will, you can spank it to young kids all you want man, but it is really sick, and can be changed. Want to know how? [B]Stop thinking about fucking kids[/B] ..
[B]Stop thinking about fucking women[/B]
And your priorities are fucked up, [B]i go and get women to sleep with me, not force[/B].
[B]Suure~[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340361]and i probably worded my choice comment wrong, but in a way it is a choice, you're just not suddenly born with the [b]fetish[/b] of fucking kids, how do you not see this[/QUOTE]
so because the particular sexual preference is bad, it can't possibly be a choice unlike other harmless sexual preferences
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;36340386]Wikipedia tells me sexual fetishism is both for certain situations or objects and we all know wikipedia is infallible so[/QUOTE]
Actually, sexual fetishism is about areas of the body not inherently sexual(armpits, feet, etc) Pretty sure wikipedia says this too unless someones been fucking with it recently :v:
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340335]Want to know how? Stop thinking about fucking kids ..[/QUOTE]
This is easy for us who aren't into it, but are you serious? So we should just tell pedos to stop being pedos? That would solve [b]everything[/b]
[QUOTE=Crimor;36340407]Actually, sexual fetishism is about areas of the body not inherently sexual(armpits, feet, etc) Pretty sure wikipedia says this too unless someones been fucking with it recently :v:[/QUOTE]
I refer back to the literal infallibility of Wiki(truth)pedia (which is infallible) so I have to take everything it says 100% literally therefore I was completely correct in my assumption at the time of posting due to the aforementioned (literal) infallbility of Wikinfallipedia
[QUOTE=Crimor;36340407]Actually, sexual fetishism is about areas of the body not inherently sexual(armpits, feet, etc) Pretty sure wikipedia says this too unless someones been fucking with it recently :v:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Crimor;36340310]Actually, for something to be a fetish it has to be an inanimate object, like stockings for example, but I know you meant something else, just correcting ya :v:[/QUOTE]
lol
Actually,
Fetishism and Sexual Fetishism are two different things.
It's kinda fun teaching you about basic things, like reading.
[QUOTE=UnMute;36340411]This is easy for us who aren't into it, but are you serious? So we should just tell pedos to stop being pedos? That would solve [b]everything[/b][/QUOTE]
That's true what your saying, it definitely would take time to fix (not that it's a problem) but you can help it if you want, no doubt.
And I'm not saying that to sound like some kind of faith healer or some shit.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36338818]Well I just basically mean that anything can happen. Here is the case what I thought up in my head.
Someone random browsing the internet and finds loli. He goes through them, faps, whatever. "Well, that was weird." He might think. Anyway, at this point he might actually start trying to find more because now he knows that he liked it. And at that point when there is an opportunity to "harm" children instead of passing the chance he already have been in contact with the subject through internet and pictures and maybe even photos, if he hadn't found the pictures in the first place he wouldn't even realize it. It might be just watching first, but if your moral isn't working as it should it might turn into a real life horror story. And we know these things do happen.[/QUOTE]
"Hm, this porno seems hot. I know! I'll go rape someone out on the street to experience it!"
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340481]That's true what your saying, it definitely would take time to fix (not that it's a problem) but you can help it if you want, no doubt.
And I'm not saying that to sound like some kind of faith healer or some shit.[/QUOTE]
Lets change everyone sexual preferences so it is according to the society!
[QUOTE=Crimor;36340474]Fetishism and Sexual Fetishism are two different things.
It's kinda fun teaching you about basic things, like reading.[/QUOTE]
True enough, but I'm not into that kind of stuff, while you might, I delve into other things
like dat puzzy homyy
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;36340498]"Hm, this porno seems hot. I know! I'll go rape someone out on the street to experience it!"[/QUOTE]
You aren't supposed to take it [B]that[/B] literally. It was just an example of something triggering it. We already discussed it.
[QUOTE=Inufin;36340509]Lets change everyone sexual preferences so it is according to the society![/QUOTE]
I'm saying this to prove the point that you aren't born with it and can't help it, but that went riiight over your head.
Quick question, how old are you exactly? And I say again try to stop thinking about women in any sexual way, forever, can you?
Oh and just to clarify about something you said earlier, flunitrazepam isn't a type of consent.
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340535]I'm saying this to prove the point that you aren't born with it and can't help it, but that went riiight over your head.[/QUOTE]
wh- what
so clinical depression is a choice because you can help it? Schizophrenia is a choice because you can treat it?
[QUOTE=Inufin;36339949]My point is exactly what you said. Anything can trigger it and that would be the reason people tried to criminalize loli in the first place because they were afraid that it could trigger it.[/QUOTE]
then criminalize everything. since anything can trigger underlying paedophilia.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;36340572]wh- what
so clinical depression is a choice because you can help it? Schizophrenia is a choice because you can treat it?[/QUOTE]
You're not born with either so, wh- what
why is everything black/white with you johnny
and before you say it, it's not a valid point because buddy on the other page was trying to convince me that you're born with it and can't do anything to get rid of the [b]fetish[/b], not disease, or illness.
[QUOTE=Dj-J3;36338822]I love sweden. <3[/QUOTE]
Uhm, why? The only reason why this was up for court is because Sweden has fucked up laws to begin with. 2 other verdicts before this found him guilty.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;36340604]then criminalize everything. since anything can trigger underlying paedophilia.[/QUOTE]
I never said to criminalize anything. I just said that this is the reason why people want to criminalize loli.
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340620]You're not born with either so, wh- what[/QUOTE]
oh I get it you're trolling
you cant compare two very different things because "why not"
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340620]why is everything black/white with you johnny[/QUOTE]
what do you mean by this
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[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340701]you cant compare two very different things because "why not"[/QUOTE]
I don't see how those are different
and what the hell are you talking about "because 'why not'"
I mean it's either one way, or another with what your saying. Your argument makes it seem like you don't see that what I'm saying doesn't apply to everyone and I'm just saying everyone can fix their "problem" like it's nothing, and that's not what I'm trying to express.
And comparing this "loli" fetish shit to clinical depression and schizophrenia is the biggest stretch i've ever seen, but again I digress because you aren't born with [b]either[/b] illnesses, just like the fetish.
Hell, the only connection the three have are that you're not born with them, and can be treated (not saying your fetish is an illness of any sort, I feel like i've had to express this 4 times).
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340744]And comparing this "loli" fetish shit to clinical depression and schizophrenia is the biggest stretch i've ever seen, but again I digress because you aren't born with [b]either[/b] illnesses, just like the fetish.[/QUOTE]
so you're saying either that people who are schizophrenic either can choose not to be, or that mental disorders which you are not born with (in the strictest sense, but develop later) can be not chosen
[editline]15th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;36340744]Hell, the only connection the three have are that you're not born with them, and can be treated (not saying your fetish is an illness of any sort, I feel like i've had to express this 4 times).[/QUOTE]
Why do you think the distinction between mental disorders is so huge just because they seem like different things
Bored of him now since he started repeating himself, won't hear any complaints from me if you blam him :v:
And for the first time in like the last two pages, let's get back on topic, the ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography, and Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes) is REALLY against this for some retarded reason, but eh, it was founded by americans afaik so it's bound to be buttfuckingly retarded when it comes to sexuality. Though funnily enough I don't think they've ever complained about denmarks stance on it, and we've had museums showing loli and shota :v:
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;36340766]so you're saying [b]either[/b] that[/QUOTE]
look even your wording implies it's one way or another; black/white with you.
I honestly don't give a fuck about the schizophrenia and mental disorders because it has nothing to do with this thread. Yeah guy, you're not born with them and you don't choose them either (Unlike this dumbass fetish) which is why your argument has no back because its barely even relative to the topic at hand
Look guy, I'm going to make it as clear as possible to [b]my[/b] understanding. There is [i]nothing[/i] wrong with the fucking pictures or what ever, fap to what you want to; but trying to defend it to society as "I can't help it, I'm born this way" is completely false because you CAN help it, it's not an illness its just a sexual fetish, and could lead some people to wanting to try the shit they see, on kids [b]and I don't mean absoloutley everyone who looks at loli porn.[/b]
I think I had to clear that part up for you so you don't think I mean everyone or noone :)
You can keep arguing about defending fictional child porn if you really want to, i'm not into that kind of shit though.
[QUOTE=UnMute;36339430]Swedish opinion piece against this: [url]http://debatt.svt.se/2012/06/15/helt-fel-av-hd-att-fria/[/url]
An organization for prevention and informing of sexual assault against children and young adults apparently does not like this. They are along with the bandwagon that the acceptance of [i]anything that can be percieved as child porn[/i] is wrong. What the fuck.[/QUOTE]
I liked one of the comments:
[quote=Kai Weinefelt]
Here's a long post:
Firstly I want to comment what Barnkraft [Child power] is saying:
[b]"You can't help wondering about why? Why the need should even exist?"[/b]
Well. Why are there humans with other ideas, thoughts and fantasies than the ones you have? The need to express ones thoughts in different shapes will always exist. To express oneself in the shape of drawn children having sex with adults (or other children, or aliens or whatever) doesn't even have to be anything sexual - it might as well be about pure spite or exploring unknown ground. The need has always existed and will always exist - whether you like it or not. I don't see a problm with it unless it hurts somebody else.
[b]"That drawn child pornographic images is becoming an accepted form by the public is nothing other than tragic. What do we say to our own or others' children who see this? Can we defend it? What do we do then?"[/b]
To start with, this isn't something that will be seen in commercials or pushed into the face of children. Don't try to make this something that will meet children in their daily life - because it won't.
If my children would see such an image I'd just say "It's a cartoon, it's not real". It doesn't get harder or more dramatical than you make it.
And now to a couple of questions to the guards of morale:
1) In what way does a prohibition against fantasy figures protect real children? The law's purpose must surely be to protect real children, not to censor what some think is disgusting. Do you believe in all seriousness that the number of real abuses will decrease if these drawings are prohibited? If you want the law to protect or censor?
2) Concerning normalization. The vast majority of us do not think this kind of pictures are especially tasteful. The vast majority of us also will not start to consume drawn child pornography just because of The Supreme Court's judgment.
But what makes you believe that child pornography will become more accepted in real life just because the drawings go free? That is just like believing that violent television series and movies depicting murder against innocent people encourages people to murder and hurt.
There are always a smalla amount of people who will do this, but that's not because of the movie or television series, but because they're mentally unstable. Most people have an excellent capability to distinguish between reality and fiction. Just because you enjoy shooting the head off a character in a video game does not mean they have any intentions to do the same in real life. That distinction there does not seem to be many of the moral guardians who understand.
To equate animated fantasy figures to real children, to equate a fake abuse in the imaginary world of a real child who is exposed to a real abuse - and treat it as an equivalent offense in which the police should spend as much on fantasy figures as the real children - THAT is offensive against the child if anything. And that is exactly what you, ECPAT and others who are suffering from complete moral panic want. If there are anyone that violate real children, it's you, with your skewed view of reality!
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Probably not a top-notch translation, did it in ~35 minutes
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