• gamejournopro-esque skype group chat log leaked, reveals collaboration between game journalists.
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Gamejournopro wasn't enough proof already? I already assumed anyone reasonable who knew about it was already on the side of GG. [QUOTE=Roger Waters;50979601]Really Makes U Think Huh?[/QUOTE] I'm afraid this isn't Clickhole, bub.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50979085]They are almost all either journalists, 3th party involved with the media narrative or people working in the game journalism sector.[/QUOTE] "3rd party involved with the media narrative". No, you're falling for their trick, they're not game journalists, nor do they have any real authority within games, I've read the logs, I know the people involved: Randi Harper, Sarah Nyberg, Zoe Quinn, Izzy Galvez, Athena Hollow, Dina from MN9, Katherine Cross. They have some involvement with games, mostly through the Anita connection and Feminist Frequency (And the overall common point of being Zoe Quinn's goons), but there is no significant part of them that are game journos. It's important to make the distinction because this is far broader than just videogames, this is no longer about the "what if Zelda was a girl" kinda shit Anita peddled, the fucking UN had Zoe Quinn speaking to the international community; Intel has $300m invested in Feminist Frequency, who are the fiscal sponsor of CON. If you make it about game's journalism you're trivializing the issue.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;50979659]"3rd party involved with the media narrative". No, you're falling for their trick, they're not game journalists, nor do they have any real authority within games, I've read the logs, I know the people involved: Randi Harper, Sarah Nyberg, Zoe Quinn, Izzy Galvez, Athena Hollow, Dina from MN9, Katherine Cross. They have some involvement with games, mostly through the Anita connection and Feminist Frequency (And the overall common point of being Zoe Quinn's goons), but there is no significant part of them that are game journos. It's important to make the distinction because this is far broader than just videogames, this is no longer about the "what if Zelda was a girl" kinda shit Anita peddled, the fucking UN had Zoe Quinn speaking to the international community; Intel has $300m invested in Feminist Frequency, who are the fiscal sponsor of CON. If you make it about game's journalism you're trivializing the issue.[/QUOTE] I dont know about you but where i come from video games are a pretty big deal and stuff... I mean, it is the largest entertainment industry in the world.
So these logs basically confirm what everyone suspected?
[QUOTE=Big Bang;50979659]"3rd party involved with the media narrative". No, you're falling for their trick, they're not game journalists, nor do they have any real authority within games, I've read the logs, I know the people involved: Randi Harper, Sarah Nyberg, Zoe Quinn, Izzy Galvez, Athena Hollow, Dina from MN9, Katherine Cross. They have some involvement with games, mostly through the Anita connection and Feminist Frequency (And the overall common point of being Zoe Quinn's goons), but there is no significant part of them that are game journos. It's important to make the distinction because this is far broader than just videogames, this is no longer about the "what if Zelda was a girl" kinda shit Anita peddled, the fucking UN had Zoe Quinn speaking to the international community; Intel has $300m invested in Feminist Frequency, who are the fiscal sponsor of CON. If you make it about game's journalism you're trivializing the issue.[/QUOTE] Call me a simpleminded asshole, but I believe in the concept of [I]"talk shit, get hit"[/I], but by "get hit" I don't mean physical violence, but rather backlash in the way of pointing out how damn hypocritical and self-centered they are. And guess who's been talking shit about as much as Zoe Quinn and Anita? well anyone sane would've guessed it as the self-professed 'game journalists'.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;50979647]G I'm afraid this isn't Clickhole, bub.[/QUOTE] literally every dissenting opinion w/ the right wing has been run out of this section so it might as well be a satire site
I don't get why you guys continue to pay attention to these hacks. There are actual good gaming journalists like Super Bunnyhop, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMK-kajdgMA]who reported the Konami pachinko thing back in 2015[/url] which ignited a major shitstorm with Konami; and Giant Bomb, who are composed of many professional gaming journalist industry veterans; and TotalBiscuit, who's exposed a lot of Greenlight's fraudulent developers. And that's only to name a few.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50979846]I don't get why you guys continue to pay attention to these hacks. There are actual good gaming journalists like Super Bunnyhop, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMK-kajdgMA]who reported the Konami pachinko thing back in 2015[/url] which ignited a major shitstorm with Konami; and Giant Bomb, who are composed of many professional gaming journalist industry veterans; and that's only to name a few.[/QUOTE] Because they have a larger influence over the medium because good reviews = good money.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50979846]I don't get why you guys continue to pay attention to these hacks. There are actual good gaming journalists like Super Bunnyhop, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMK-kajdgMA]who reported the Konami pachinko thing back in 2015[/url] which ignited a major shitstorm with Konami; and Giant Bomb, who are composed of many professional gaming journalist industry veterans; and that's only to name a few.[/QUOTE] There's a site for this stuff started by GG'ers [url]http://deepfreeze.it/[/url]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50979127]So they just got fuckin mad about it and took down one of Bro Teams videos. Like you fucked up, you cant even deny they're not real now because you went to the effort of covering it up. [editline]31st August 2016[/editline] Like they just fucking removed the first pastebin like have none of them heard of the fucking Streisand Effect.[/QUOTE] Is there a reup on the brote video? If it's anything like the first leaked logs, I hadn't the slightest understanding of half of it but it was still pretty entertaining.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50979859]Because they have a larger influence over the medium because good reviews = good money.[/QUOTE] I don't see Kotaku doing anything meaningful that actually changes the industry, like Super Bunnyhop and Konami or Geoff Keighley for creating and hosting The Game Awards out of passion for the industry.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50979846]I don't get why you guys continue to pay attention to these hacks.[/QUOTE] Because with the amount of damage they've done they can't just simply be ignored. Good reviewers are actually getting positive attention, it's just that it takes effort to get previously mentioned fuckers to firstly shut up so they can move to step 2 and admit their shittery and thus move to stage 3 involving the perpetual shame corner. [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50979894]I don't see Kotaku doing anything meaningful that actually changes the industry, like Super Bunnyhop and Konami or Geoff Keighley for creating and hosting The Game Awards out of passion for the industry.[/QUOTE] You're still grossly underestimating the sheer influence Kotaku [I]et al[/I] has.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50979714]I dont know about you but where i come from video games are a pretty big deal and stuff... I mean, it is the largest entertainment industry in the world.[/QUOTE] Well guess what? This is bigger than that.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;50979601]Really Makes U Think Huh?[/QUOTE] What?
[QUOTE=Van-man;50979910]Because with the amount of damage they've done they can't just simply be ignored. Good reviewers are actually getting positive attention, it's just that it takes effort to get previously mentioned fuckers to firstly shut up so they can move to step 2 and admit their shittery and thus move to stage 3 involving the perpetual shame corner. You're still grossly underestimating the sheer influence Kotaku [I]et al[/I] has.[/QUOTE] So what have they done? What meaningful effect to the industry have they done?
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50979942]So what have they done? What meaningful effect to the industry have they done?[/QUOTE] You're thinking about this like singular events, but the journo sites gradually shape how people think about things by the stories they push out. If they all go "this thing is shit" people wont bother looking into it, just think its shit, for example.
Looks who laughing now bitches, proof of everything we've been saying
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[QUOTE=AaronM202;50979961]You're thinking about this like singular events, but the journo sites gradually shape how people think about things by the stories they push out. If they all go "this thing is shit" people wont bother looking into it, just think its shit, for example.[/QUOTE] So you can't name any tangible thing they've actually done, just what they might be able to do because they're "journalists". [editline].[/editline] I can also add TotalBiscuit to the list of real gaming journalists, for him exposing the negligence PC audience gets from shoddy PC ports and pushing for higher standards on developers, among other things. [editline].[/editline] The reason I'm saying all of this is to dispel the myth of "gaming journalists is a joke". Gaming journalism is a real thing, and has had an actual impact on the industry, but it doesn't come from these guys.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50979981]So you can't name any tangible thing they've actually done, just what they might be able to do because they're "journalists". [editline].[/editline] I can also add TotalBiscuit to the list of real gaming journalists, for him exposing the negligence PC audience gets from shoddy PC ports and pushing for higher standards on developers, among other things.[/QUOTE] What I'd say they've done is push a narrative of hostility and doubt. They haven't broken any laws or done anything truly illegal. They've simply pushed a narrative based on lies, using subversion as their tactic of choice. They've consistently belitteld and ridiculed members of the populous who disagree with them, and they've claimed "sock puppets" whenever a minority of any variety claims to be GG. That's belitting the character of those people. They've also been implicated in various Doxxing events, but without hard evidence I'm not holding their feet to the fire on that one just yet, but I highly suspect them of it.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50979981]So you can't name any tangible thing they've actually done, just what they might be able to do because they're "journalists".[/QUOTE] I'm not sure why you're trying to posit that one of the biggest gaming journalism sites out there doesn't have any effect on the industry at large. It's a very strange thought to have, you seem fixated on big events where journos "bust open a story" like superbunnyhop and totalbiscuit, ignoring that when big events [I]aren't[/I] being busted open, the gaming crowd tends to pay attention to the casual articles released by sites like kotaku.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50980025]What I'd say they've done is push a narrative of hostility and doubt. They haven't broken any laws or done anything truly illegal. They've simply pushed a narrative based on lies, using subversion as their tactic of choice. They've consistently belitteld and ridiculed members of the populous who disagree with them, and they've claimed "sock puppets" whenever a minority of any variety claims to be GG. That's belitting the character of those people. They've also been implicated in various Doxxing events, but without hard evidence I'm not holding their feet to the fire on that one just yet, but I highly suspect them of it.[/QUOTE] That only affects the people who are involved and people who follow it. In the grand scheme of the whole gaming industry, it's nothing.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;50980046]I'm not sure why you're trying to posit that one of the biggest gaming journalism sites out there doesn't have any effect on the industry at large. It's a very strange thought to have, you seem fixated on big events where journos "bust open a story" like superbunnyhop and totalbiscuit, ignoring that when big events [I]aren't[/I] being busted open, the gaming crowd tends to pay attention to the casual articles released by sites like kotaku.[/QUOTE] I just want to know what they've done. That's such a vague answer that it doesn't tell me anything.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50979981] The reason I'm saying all of this is to dispel the myth of "gaming journalists is a joke". Gaming journalism is a real thing, and has had an actual impact on the industry, but it doesn't come from these guys.[/QUOTE] i think most people are already aware of that, gg exists to call people out when they fuck up and create awareness, not to attack games journalism as a whole
[QUOTE=No_0ne;50980057]i think most people are already aware of that, gg exists to call people out when they fuck up and create awareness, not to attack games journalism as a whole[/QUOTE] I've seen a lot of people who have that belief because of GG, so I guess you could call that an effect on the industry. But the problem doesn't rest solely on the journalists. It takes two sides to create a conflict.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50979846]I don't get why you guys continue to pay attention to these hacks. There are actual good gaming journalists like Super Bunnyhop, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMK-kajdgMA]who reported the Konami pachinko thing back in 2015[/url] which ignited a major shitstorm with Konami; and Giant Bomb, who are composed of many professional gaming journalist industry veterans; and TotalBiscuit, who's exposed a lot of Greenlight's fraudulent developers. And that's only to name a few.[/QUOTE] Mostly because they have a negative influence in general even if you yourself don't pay attention to them. Like, literally involving one of the people you listed, they talk in the logs about how much they want to sue total biscuit (not sure what charges they even figured they could bring against him, lol), but "goddammit he has cancer and it'd make us look like pricks!"
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50980056]I just want to know what they've done. That's such a vague answer that it doesn't tell me anything.[/QUOTE] A lot of the blame for japanese developers not even bothering with the western market lies with them and their never-ending campaign to make Japan sexualize less their game characters because "it hurts society" and other equally questionable reasons. Tekken's producers named "your country's SJWs" (IMO a reference to the games press, but I could be wrong) as the cause for not releasing racy content outside of Japan. I can get sources for all of that if you'd like. (and I don't mean 20 minute long youtube videos!)
[QUOTE=PacificV2;50980105]A lot of the blame for japanese developers not even bothering with the western market lies with them and their never-ending campaign to make Japan sexualize less their game characters because "it hurts society" and other equally questionable reasons. Tekken's producers named "your country's SJWs" (IMO a reference to the games press, but I could be wrong) as the cause for not releasing racy content outside of Japan. I can get sources for all of that if you'd like. (and I don't mean 20 minute long youtube videos!)[/QUOTE] That's a valid example. I wasn't asking for a 20 minute long YT video. I just wanted some tangible examples these hacks have actually had on the industry.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50978870]So you're telling me GamerGate was actually legitimate attempt at solving a real problem? Wow[/QUOTE] GamerGate was always a legitimate attempt at solving a real problem. When media controls the reality that people see, OF COURSE they're going to slander the fuck out of anything that's attacking them. GamerGate was always legitimate, and it highlighted an extreme problem with journalism- it's impossible to attack it.
The issue is Gamergate's gotten to the point where the general level of discourse on both sides has been so overwhelmingly toxic that I think a lot of people won't pay attention to this just because they don't want anything to do with either side.
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