gamejournopro-esque skype group chat log leaked, reveals collaboration between game journalists.
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Where are these chat logs?
Not like mainstream media will give a shit. Call me a pessimist but I doubt anything will come out of this.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50980119]That's a valid example. I wasn't asking for a 20 minute long YT video. I just wanted some tangible examples these hacks have actually had on the industry.[/QUOTE]
I know, but there's a weird disconnect on how sourcing is handled and people posting huge piles of material, like 5 hour streams, and saying "the truth is in there you gotta sift through all that yourself!" kinda became a meme in and out of itself.
But it's undeniable the industry uses the media as a gauge on what's acceptable and what isn't, and having a bunch of puritans in charge of the media is bound to affect what ends up presented to you.
It's hard to pinpoint where the atmosphere of the industry changed, and things that are "news" now certainly weren't even reported say, 5 years ago.
[editline]31st August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;50980201]Not like mainstream media will give a shit. Call me a pessimist but I doubt anything will come out of this.[/QUOTE]
I'm still wondering how everyone involved in this will handle being bombarded with this every step they take though.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/PViS34h.png[/img]
:smug:
:snip: you fixed it
Hopefully we'll get someone to write a real article about this, if not at least we'll have leopirate's in progress video.
never felt so validated in my life when it comes to calling shit out
also
[media]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/771041153412194304[/media]
Glad to see we were right, but it's not like it'll change anything at this point. The war's over and we already lost. The con-artists behind this have long gotten their way and are living pretty with all the real-world publicity and cash they made over it, comfortably dismissing any attempt to revive the fiasco as "bringing up such a 'hard time' in my life" a la Zoe Quinn. Their version of events is what is on any "official" source such as Wikipedia, and it's the version that big companies take for granted when referencing it (as Nintendo had done.)
The gaming industry as a whole has long gotten tired of "the GamerGate scandal" and totally averse to the issue due to all of the toxicity. This stuff was buried in the public eye before we even hit 2015. Does anyone honestly think we can touch these people at this point or even subject them to the consequences they should have been hit with two years ago? They already got what they wanted. Game over.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;50980338]Glad to see we were right, but it's not like it'll change anything at this point. The war's over and we already lost. The con-artists behind this have long gotten their way and are living pretty with all the cash they made over it, comfortably dismissing any attempt to revive the fiasco as "bringing up such a 'hard time' in my life" a la Zoe Quinn. Their version of events is what is on any "official" source such as Wikipedia, and it's the version that big companies take for granted when referencing it (as Nintendo had done.)
The gaming industry as a whole has long gotten tired of "the GamerGate scandal" and totally averse to the issue due to all of the toxicity. This stuff was buried in the public eye before we even hit 2015. Does anyone honestly think we can touch these people at this point or even subject them to the consequences they should have been hit with two years ago? They got what they wanted. Game over.[/QUOTE]
God the melodramatic pessimism is palpable.
[quote]Here are the highlights we found:
- Randi Harper of Online Abuse Prevention Initiative doxed a Facebook group in the chat. CON (partnered with Twitter-Support) members celebrate and discuss how they can get people fired.
- Katherine Cross of Feminist Frequency praises Harper for doing this.
- CON members discuss that one of their goals is to make it so "GamerGaters" are fired and never find work again.
- In one particularly egregious case, they reported a disabled purple heart recipient for nothing other than disagreeing with them.
- CON lied about the involvement of Rob Marmolejo (@UnseenPerfidy), who was recently accused of having sexually harassed up 20 women, while working for CON.
- CON lied about the involvement of Israel "Izzy" Galvez (@iglvzx), who was recently shown to be associated with known trolls and who was just recently exposed as party to the failed doxing attempt of Twitter user @mombot.
- Confirmation that Wikipedia Editor Ryulong was involved with the group as he edited an article highlighted by Quinn within 2 hours of being contacted.
- They regularly engage in harassment, trolling, dogpiling and other things they claim to combat.
- Photoshopping people into embarrassing photos, targeting people for personal grudges, threatening violence on people should they ever meet, etc.
- CON operates as a secret society that issues "burn notices" on members who talk about it.
This is the list of names with their Twitter handles (the ones were able to get):
- Remy @StephenAtWar
- Athena Hollow @athenahollow
- Ian Cheong @stillgray
- Izzy @iglvzx
- Rob @UnseenPerfidy
- Peter Coffin @petercoffin
- drinternetphd @UnburntWitch
- Chris Kluwe @ChrisWarcraft
- Tesseract @SJWIlluminati
- Charloppe @Nibelsnarfabarf
- Dina @petitemistress
- SecretGamerGirl @SecretGamerGrrl
- Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts @srhbutts
- SF @sfthewolf
- live:riotarms: @knifehorse
- Quinnae @Quinnae_Moon
- Dan Olson @FoldableHuman
- Veerender Jubbal @Veeren_Jubbal
- Alex Lifschitz @alexlifschitz
- David Gallant @davidsgallant
- Faruk Ates @KuraFire
- Annie Kelly @AnnieKNK
- Arthur Chu @arthur_affect
- Ross ???
- nicholas.boterf ???
- Lars Flyger ???[/quote]
Like this is some serious shit, theres a bunch of dirt.
This isnt the kind of thing that just gets swept under the rug, it undermines the whole narrative they set up.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50980351]God the melodramatic pessimism is palpable.[/QUOTE]
I've dealt with people like that on a level that has directly affected my family. There is no "eventual victory" after the con has been pulled off, no matter how right you're able to eventually prove you were. The damage has already been done and you just pick up the pieces and move on as best you can while your enemy retires early in the Bahamas.
The simple fact is, no one else besides us cares about our grudge anymore. The con-artists sure as hell don't.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;50980378]I've dealt with people like that on a level that has directly affected my family. There is no "eventual victory" after the con has been pulled off, no matter how right you're able to eventually prove you were. The damage has already been done and you just pick up the pieces and move on as best you can while your enemy retires early in the Bahamas.
The simple fact is, no one else besides us cares about our grudge anymore. The con-artists sure as hell don't.[/QUOTE]
They wont win if people dont let them win. This is the dirt needed to fuck em up good.
[editline]31st August 2016[/editline]
The whole thing started because people raised a big stink.
People just gotta raise an even bigger stink and fuck em up.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50980401]They wont win if people dont let them win. This is the dirt needed to fuck em up good.
[editline]31st August 2016[/editline]
The whole thing started because people raised a big stink.
People just gotta raise an even bigger stink and fuck em up.[/QUOTE]
Then best of luck. But as far I'm concerned, it's like my dad always says, "You just gotta roll with the punches and keep going."
[QUOTE=Wii60;50980314]never felt so validated in my life when it comes to calling shit out
also
[media]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/771041153412194304[/media][/QUOTE]
Woah there Brote, are you actually up for that feat? That's a lot of exercise for a man who wheezes to video games for money.
In some ways (well, most ways) there are parallels to how the Church will hide paedophiles in their ranks, whilst decrying paedophiles at the same time. The loudest, most obnoxious of those against harassment tend to be pretty well versed in harassing in the first place.
If this leak had occurred, I dunno, many many months earlier. Perhaps there'd still be more mainstream interest in the whole GamerGate topic, it fell off the radar for the most part around the time that Gawker started to fucking implode from impeding legal action and the fairly awful periods of guesswork and infighting between actually interesting shit.
It's kinda hard to convince people of things after the fact. Not even because the ~media spin~ ruined it, but because people are just fucking done with a lot of this stuff and don't really care any more. There was a lot of toxicity on all sides after all. What with the repeated attempts to hijack GG by /pol/ regular stream cunts, and blog-sites-that-wish-they-were-news-sites just constantly posting shit. Most of the genuinely awful people are slowly losing their jobs/ becoming irrelevant by this point, I can't see interest picking up super hard again.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;50980338]Glad to see we were right, but it's not like it'll change anything at this point. The war's over and we already lost. The con-artists behind this have long gotten their way and are living pretty with all the real-world publicity and cash they made over it, comfortably dismissing any attempt to revive the fiasco as "bringing up such a 'hard time' in my life" a la Zoe Quinn. Their version of events is what is on any "official" source such as Wikipedia, and it's the version that big companies take for granted when referencing it (as Nintendo had done.)
The gaming industry as a whole has long gotten tired of "the GamerGate scandal" and totally averse to the issue due to all of the toxicity. This stuff was buried in the public eye before we even hit 2015. Does anyone honestly think we can touch these people at this point or even subject them to the consequences they should have been hit with two years ago? They already got what they wanted. Game over.[/QUOTE]
Eh, the mass media doesnt think well of us but they never have. Gamers have always been violent satanists or whatever now they've just added misogynists to it. Within gaming circles the view is much more positive, and most places where anti-gamergate is a common opinion, its only held that way because its a place where disagreement isn't allowed to begin with. If a place only allows one opinion to be expressed the people who do express that one opinion might as well be shouting into the void. That includes neogaf, SA, r/gaming, r/games, 4chan(lol), and a few smaller ones im sure.
Also most importantly gamergate was never about improving gamergate's reputation, it was about improving ethical standards and rooting out corruption and censorship. By those metrics we've won huge victories, with the main loss being the people in these leaks not already all being unemployed.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;50980378]I've dealt with people like that on a level that has directly affected my family. There is no "eventual victory" after the con has been pulled off, no matter how right you're able to eventually prove you were. The damage has already been done and you just pick up the pieces and move on as best you can while your enemy retires early in the Bahamas.
The simple fact is, no one else besides us cares about our grudge anymore. The con-artists sure as hell don't.[/QUOTE]
The funny thing is, the Con artists do.
They have been going insane over this leak.
They are trying their best to stop discussing it, even going as far to deleting threads of it on GamerGhazi.
We will do what we did with Gawker, email their advertisers, we will make sure that Twitter gets hurt by the end of all this, there is enough information in the logs to arrest one person multiple times based on each illegal thing they have done.
People are working towards getting this out there, it will take some time but if you wanna help, go here.
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1475810&p=50966550&viewfull=1#post50966550[/url]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50980429]Woah there Brote, are you actually up for that feat? That's a lot of exercise for a man who wheezes to video games for money.
In some ways (well, most ways) there are parallels to how the Church will hide paedophiles in their ranks, whilst decrying paedophiles at the same time. The loudest, most obnoxious of those against harassment tend to be pretty well versed in harassing in the first place.
If this leak had occurred, I dunno, many many months earlier. Perhaps there'd still be more mainstream interest in the whole GamerGate topic, it fell off the radar for the most part around the time that Gawker started to fucking implode from impeding legal action and the fairly awful periods of guesswork and infighting between actually interesting shit.
It's kinda hard to convince people of things after the fact. Not even because the ~media spin~ ruined it, but because people are just fucking done with a lot of this stuff and don't really care any more. There was a lot of toxicity on all sides after all. What with the repeated attempts to hijack GG by /pol/ regular stream cunts, and blog-sites-that-wish-they-were-news-sites just constantly posting shit. Most of the genuinely awful people are slowly losing their jobs/ becoming irrelevant by this point, I can't see interest picking up super hard again.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, again, [I]this isn't about Gamergate[/I]. It goes beyond just game journalism. That phrase became a stereotype among AGG, "but it's about ethics in games journalism". And to be honest, [I]they're right[/I], it isn't about games journalism anymore because turns out the CON clique have connections that go way beyond just that, they know people in Twitter, they know Wikipedia editors, they have connections with several IT giants, and they're making a shitload of cash peddling this shit, Zoe Quinn isn't exactly living off her games' royalties.
I'm not attempting to downplay Gamergate, I consider it to be a successful movement that got a whole deal of things done and positively affected the industry for consumers, marketers and journalists alike, but what we're talking about here in this logs is a lot more shocking than what the title presents it as. The group of people being talked about in the logs are extremely well connected with all sorts of media and tech companies, and they're conspiring to destroy people's lives while making themselves look like saints.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;50980621]The thing is, again, [I]this isn't about Gamergate[/I]. It goes beyond just game journalism. That phrase became a stereotype among AGG, "but it's about ethics in games journalism". And to be honest, [I]they're right[/I], it isn't about games journalism anymore because turns out the CON clique have connections that go way beyond just that, they know people in Twitter, they know Wikipedia editors, they have connections with several IT giants, and they're making a shitload of cash peddling this shit, Zoe Quinn isn't exactly living off her games' royalties.
I'm not attempting to downplay Gamergate, I consider it to be a successful movement that got a whole deal of things done and positively affected the industry for consumers, marketers and journalists alike, but what we're talking about here in this logs is a lot more shocking than what the title presents it as. The group of people being talked about in the logs are extremely well connected with all sorts of media and tech companies, and they're conspiring to destroy people's lives while making themselves look like saints.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention they have connects to the White House, not even joking, it's in the Logs.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50980376]
This is the list of names with their Twitter handles (the ones were able to get):
- Chris Kluwe @ChrisWarcraft[/QUOTE]
Didn't expect to see an ex-American Football player on this list. I guess these people come in all shapes and sizes.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50980025]What I'd say they've done is push a narrative of hostility and doubt. They haven't broken any laws or done anything truly illegal. They've simply pushed a narrative based on lies, using subversion as their tactic of choice. They've consistently belittled and ridiculed members of the populous who disagree with them, and they've claimed "sock puppets" whenever a minority of any variety claims to be GG. That's belittling the character of those people. They've also been implicated in various Doxxing events, but without hard evidence, I'm not holding their feet to the fire on that one just yet, but I highly suspect them of it.[/QUOTE]
The response was fucking idiotic but GG is also guilty of sullying part of its own image. The movement was pretty quickly co-opted by some of the more kooky parts of the web, MRAs and alt-right included, and a lot of the movement ended up taking a sexist / racist whatever angle.
It wasn't the original meaning of the movement, and the majority remain there just for the investigation into corrupt game journalism, but the fringe groups that have taken it have left their mark. A lot of former GG communities are cesspools of that sort of thinking now.
Same with Gamerghazi (which I hate saying because it's a movement that has existed well before Gamergate). It has some good points about representation of women in video games and such, but was co-opted by SJW nutters and now that's all anyone sees.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;50980730]The response was fucking idiotic but GG is also guilty of sullying part of its own image. The movement was pretty quickly co-opted by some of the more kooky parts of the web, MRAs and alt-right included, and a lot of the movement ended up taking a sexist / racist whatever angle.
It wasn't the original meaning of the movement, and the majority remain there just for the investigation into corrupt game journalism, but the fringe groups that have taken it have left their mark. A lot of former GG communities are cesspools of that sort of thinking now.
Same with Gamerghazi (which I hate saying because it's a movement that has existed well before Gamergate). It has some good points about representation of women in video games and such, but was co-opted by SJW nutters and now that's all anyone sees.[/QUOTE]
MRAs and the alt-right have no power over anything, while these people are actual journalists, who can make a lot of noise out of thin air, get people fired for their opinions, doxx and/or swat someone while remaining on the moral high ground, etc
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;50980756]MRAs and the alt-right have no power over anything, while these people are actual journalists, who can make a lot of noise out of thin air, get people fired for their opinions, doxx and/or swat someone while remaining on the moral high ground, etc[/QUOTE]
I'm just explaining why GG has gotten itself such a poor opinion with the public.
I'd also say GG has the power to doxx and brigade and similar. Not necessarily as powerful as anti-GG, but it's there. I think it's a bit foolish to just think that there hasn't been anything of the such from the other side.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50980897]If GG had the same power these corrupt fuckers had, would GG ever get slandered so hard? No.
The whole reason why this has been going on for this long is because of the ridiculous amount of power these journalists have and they're literally destroying the credibility of an [I]entire industry[/I] with their buttbuddy secret club[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying game journalism isn't fucked up, I'm just saying that a lot of the controversy was built up from thei nside.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;50980989]I'm not saying game journalism isn't fucked up, I'm just saying that a lot of the controversy was built up from thei nside.[/QUOTE]
No.
It was fabricated from the outside.
Narratives are the most powerful thing to control. Guess who controls the narrative? Not GG.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;50980730]The response was fucking idiotic but GG is also guilty of sullying part of its own image. The movement was pretty quickly co-opted by some of the more kooky parts of the web, MRAs and alt-right included, and a lot of the movement ended up taking a sexist / racist whatever angle.
It wasn't the original meaning of the movement, and the majority remain there just for the investigation into corrupt game journalism, but the fringe groups that have taken it have left their mark. A lot of former GG communities are cesspools of that sort of thinking now.[/QUOTE]
The alt-right didn't really start taking over anywhere until things took a nosedive over at 8chan in late 2014, by which point the press had already played its hand.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;50980730]The response was fucking idiotic but GG is also guilty of sullying part of its own image. The movement was pretty quickly co-opted by some of the more kooky parts of the web, MRAs and alt-right included, and a lot of the movement ended up taking a sexist / racist whatever angle.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah im sure the group made up of a typically left leaning demographic just suddenly became sexist and racist as soon as they started criticizing journalists.
The idea that gamergate or the video games industry are misognyistic is jack thompson tier video games cause violence nonsense cooked up by a media under threat.
It was actually shown on several occasions that GamerGate is incredibly progressive, far more than general society.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;50979822]literally every dissenting opinion w/ the right wing has been run out of this section so it might as well be a satire site[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.allthink.com/1588852"]GamerGate is a relatively left-wing movement.[/URL] It's just mostly neither authoritarian nor radical.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;50980730]The response was fucking idiotic but GG is also guilty of sullying part of its own image. The movement was pretty quickly co-opted by some of the more kooky parts of the web, MRAs and alt-right included, and a lot of the movement ended up taking a sexist / racist whatever angle.
It wasn't the original meaning of the movement, and the majority remain there just for the investigation into corrupt game journalism, but the fringe groups that have taken it have left their mark. A lot of former GG communities are cesspools of that sort of thinking now.
Same with Gamerghazi (which I hate saying because it's a movement that has existed well before Gamergate). It has some good points about representation of women in video games and such, but was co-opted by SJW nutters and now that's all anyone sees.[/QUOTE]
The internet has the unfortunate side effect of amplifying the loudest, most absurd voices. Media channels grabbed on to the craziest voices from Gamergate - the people harassing journalists and shit on Twitter and sending death threats - and portrayed them as representative of all of Gamergate. Places like /r/kotakuinaction or /r/tumblrinaction and so on grab the most absurd, mind-blowingly stupid examples of "SJWs" and portray them as representative of everyone wanting more equal gender representation in gaming.
Both sides amplify the worst in the other side to try to discredit them. It's frustrating. Gamergate has very distinct points about disclosing sponsorships and revealing conflicts of interest and preventing collusion, all of which are very reasonable. The "other side" has people who reasonably talk about gender representation in video games and question double-standards and shit, all of which are reasonable, too. But they butt heads and become "opposites" even though people can support both "sides" easily.
Not all Gamergate supporters are abusive assholes harassing people on Twitter. Not all Gamergate supporters are "anti-SJW." And vice versa. It just devolves into pure hatred towards the "other" group, which is stupid as shit.
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[QUOTE=Aredbomb;50981015]The alt-right didn't really start taking over anywhere until things took a nosedive over at 8chan in late 2014, by which point the press had already played its hand.[/QUOTE]
Gamergate had a distinct alt-right shift because the mainstream media wouldn't represent it fairly. It was constantly portrayed as a hate movement, ignoring the core complaint: "disclose your fucking sponsorships." The only ""major"" media site to give it a fair shot was Breitbart, and that was because Milo's a conniving shitbag who saw the opportunity to get new readership from a group of people being rejected by the rest of the media. He made fun of "nerds" and gamers constantly before GG broke out.
Gamergate initially wasn't a very politicized thing. The core complaints are reasonable as shit. But then the meme-ification of "Five Guys" and whatever else distracted from that core message, and the media rejection pushed alt-right news sources as the most ""reliable"" ones, and it pretty quickly became a politicized alt-right thing - nobody can reasonably call /r/kotakuinaction a "progressive" or a "left-wing" subreddit. The main "Gamergate" sites became "anti-SJW" circlejerks more than places interested in achieving fairness and full disclosure in news media.
Big warning about the power of media. I support Gamergate's core complaints, but I constantly have to distinguish those core ideas from the piles and piles of sexism, racism, and alt-right bullshit that's been slathered on top of it, both by the media and by other reactionary supporters. Incredibly fucking annoying.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50981189]Gamergate had a distinct alt-right shift because the mainstream media wouldn't represent it fairly. It was constantly portrayed as a hate movement, ignoring the core complaint: "disclose your fucking sponsorships." The only ""major"" media site to give it a fair shot was Breitbart, and that was because Milo's a conniving shitbag who saw the opportunity to get new readership from a group of people being rejected by the rest of the media. He made fun of "nerds" and gamers constantly before GG broke out.[/QUOTE]
Milo and Breitbart was the tipping point of GG for me. People were so accepting of an opportunistic right-winger, that the movement had begun to lose its original purpose. It's now become a battle of SJWs vs Anti-SJWs and both sides are equally as loud and terrible as the other. I contribute GG to the rise of the alt-right, which has since led to Milo being heralded as the leader of free speech on Twitter, and to some extent, getting Donald Trump getting as far as he has.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50981326]Milo and Breitbart was the tipping point of GG for me. People were so accepting of an opportunistic right-winger, that the movement had begun to lose its original purpose. It's now become a battle of SJWs vs Anti-SJWs and both sides are equally as loud and terrible as the other. I contribute GG to the rise of the alt-right, which has since led to Milo being heralded as the leader of free speech on Twitter, and to some extent, getting Donald Trump getting as far as he has.[/QUOTE]
Not even remotely.
I can't even fucking tell you the number of people who hate Milo under the GG banner.
The alt right usurped a movement after the narrative was "THIS MOVEMENT IS FULL OF STUPID ALT RIGHT PEOPLE" coming from the journalists. Lo-and-behold, they were true to their word because they controlled the narrative.
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