• Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker
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[QUOTE=The golden;38567355]How is this legal, exactly?[/QUOTE] why would it be illegal? do you not know anything about rfid?
[QUOTE=BAZ;38567447]I honestly have no problem with these. People have no issue using clocking machines and clocking in and out with a tag so what difference does it make now it's round your neck?[/QUOTE] because the man also fuck school
[QUOTE=download;38567380]The tracking part is difficult. You'd need doorways lines with sensors that detect the RFID chips, and then log that movement to a computer. I doubt any school has gotten that far into student tracking, though I'm sure businesses, specifically those related to classified stuff like defence have.[/QUOTE] Tracking location with RFID scanners is bloody stupid anyway. Someone walking backwards and forwards through the same one would generate so much junk data that would require filtering out. Let lone the cost of sticking an RFID scanner in every doorway is going to be fairly high.
Yeah the only reason you should be against this is because it's a stupid way of getting attendance. Not because it bears the mark of satan
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38567479]why would it be illegal? do you not know anything about rfid?[/QUOTE] The best way to educate someone on something is to question their knowledge without answer.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;38567695]The best way to educate someone on something is to question their knowledge without answer.[/QUOTE] all he has to do is read the thread to see just how unobtrusive it is
RFID seems like a weird way to do attendance but after doing some research it doesn't appear to be as big a privacy concern as I thought it would be.
[QUOTE=The golden;38567355]How is this legal, exactly?[/QUOTE] This is basically an automated method of calling out students names to look at attendance. There is nothing illegal about it.
[QUOTE=geel9;38566209]If it's only on school property, technically I suppose it's within the school's "rights" but it's still a massive breach of privacy and it could allow for more invasive tracking later.[/QUOTE] If it's a private school maybe, but it isn't
[quote]RFID chip monitors pupils’ movements on campus[/quote] I was wondering, why the hell are they tracking eye movements? Then I realized that for some reason pupil is a term for student.
It'll be expensive, some people will complain... But I like it. Might be me, not being used to wear body cards, but looks pretty cool. (Although it might get boring after being used to it)
Since RFID has a pretty bad range (1-2m) I would assume that there are readers on all of the doors that go in and out of the school and even the classroom doors if they are taking class attendance. Maybe even on the windows. It would make some things easier such as knowing who is where when they are needed (medical? family emergency?) but I wouldn't want the school to know when I'm in the washroom. I wouldn't wear this either.
[QUOTE=Rombishead;38566368]I work in a company that specialises with RFID and it pains me to hear people thinking that RFID can detect people throughout entire buildings. The maximum range on a passive RFID chip is about 1 foot. [B]They probably have door readers which would detect when the chip passes through a doorway.[/B] So in effect the school still has no idea if the student is at their desk or not, just what doorway they passed through last. But I still find it a strange concept to force people to use RFID.[/QUOTE] This. In my school we have RFID cards & readers, and they are literally only used on doors and anything that requires some sort of lock.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38566285]He's doing this for all the wrong reasons lmao[/QUOTE] Shh! For once the whining of a Christian is coming in handy for all of society. 'Sides, the courts are faaaar more likely to agree with someone who says these things are against their religion than they are to agree with someone who says these things are simply wrong and can't prove 'why'.
Will be easy to spoof with cheap equipment. One student could have a "master" card that contains all student's unique RDIF tag key.
i was following till we stumbled into "mark of the beast" now i'm quite confused
too many people jumping to far conclusions in this thread and i don't particularly see anything wrong with it as it is very short range
We had cards like these at a college I went to, you were supposed to wear them wherever you went but really you just needed them to get in and out of college. Not really a breach of privacy, just a security measure. And I'm glad they had them to be honest, call me paranoid but it's nice to know that the college knows who is going in and out.
Pop it in the microwave.
[QUOTE=Se1f_Distruct;38568523]Pop it in the microwave.[/QUOTE] and get cancerous fumes yeah real smart
Why can't they just use cards? My school has it and you have to swipe it when you get in. You're easily able to lose it as a card. Some people who can't keep it in their pockets have it around their neck.
[QUOTE=andololol;38568773]Why can't they just use cards? My school has it and you have to swipe it when you get in. You're easily able to lose it as a card. Some people who can't keep it in their pockets have it around their neck.[/QUOTE] Because then the nerds of the school can't go around stealing other kids SSN's, duh.
Would I be right in assuming these are identical to the same things that are used to open doors? Honestly cannot see the problem with these from a privacy stance, especially in a limited situation like a school, oh no they might know where someone has been inside a building.
These sort of cards really aren't a big deal, we've got them at the college I go to, they only track what doors you open with them, and if you wanted to stop them knowing (for whatever reason) all you'd have to do is get someone to open the door and stroll in. They're actually pretty helpful, we pay for food and trips with them, not as bad as they sound really.
[QUOTE=Waerlock;38570078]These sort of cards really aren't a big deal, we've got them at the college I go to, they only track what doors you open with them, and if you wanted to stop them knowing (for whatever reason) all you'd have to do is get someone to open the door and stroll in. They're actually pretty helpful, we pay for food and trips with them, not as bad as they sound really.[/QUOTE] So other than this alleged convienence you are getting, are there any reasons to have a tracking device on yourself? If so, I'd like to know them for when I'm going to give you my tracking devices you can wear for you and your family and friends.
[QUOTE=MCCCXXXIII;38570419]So other than this alleged convienence you are getting, are there any reasons to have a tracking device on yourself? If so, I'd like to know them for when I'm going to give you my tracking devices you can wear for you and your family and friends.[/QUOTE] But its not a tracking device, it requires you to actively swipe it on a receiver for them to be able to possible to track you and to be honest once you are inside someone's building / premises (in the this case a college) they aren't really tracking you. Seriously why can people not understand this.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38570613]But its not a tracking device, it requires you to actively swipe it on a receiver for them to be able to possible to track you and to be honest once you are inside someone's building / premises (in the this case a college) they aren't really tracking you. Seriously why can people not understand this.[/QUOTE] RFID? More like 1984 Free Mason Big Brother Panopticon Chips
My uni student card is RFID enabled, and I really don't see the problem with this.
[QUOTE=MCCCXXXIII;38570419]So other than this alleged convienence you are getting, are there any reasons to have a tracking device on yourself? If so, I'd like to know them for when I'm going to give you my tracking devices you can wear for you and your family and friends.[/QUOTE] At the colleges I've been to that had these they just use them as key cards. If you lose it, just remotely disable it. You can also do on the fly changes to a student's permissions, so if he needs to get into the workshop with the cnc mills for example, you just fill out some paperwork, and 5 minutes later it works, assuming it wasn't automatically assigned to you as part of registration. It's much cheaper than maintaining a huge inventory of keys for building access (they still used regular keys for dorm room access), and if a key gets stolen, you just invalidate the card's ID instead of replacing the locks and keys for every student that uses the building. Even with that, most of the buildings on the campuses were unlocked during normal hours of operation. It was only access to dorms, specialized labs, and late in the day that cards were even needed, which generally are limited in public schools, and in the case of the dorms, obviously nonexistent. I fail to see how this is unreasonable for a private school. The problem here is that this is a public school, and that it almost certainly doesn't have the same relatively open door policy that a college has, let alone the expensive equipment which was behind the card doors at the schools I went to. Generally speaking, most public schools have 1 or 2 buildings, and there is only 1 entrance. Everything else is locked from the outside, and sets off alarms from the inside. If they can't keep track of attendance, let alone encourage it, when my high school managed to with nearly universally unlocked buildings, and a dozen of them at that, where students walked between buildings to get from class to class, and didn't have so much as a fence keeping them on campus, they have bigger problems then RFID cards are going to solve. EDIT: Come to think of it, this isn't even useful for tracking, which is probably part of the reason most colleges don't even give a fuck. When you have hordes of people moving between classes, guess what happens. One person swipes their card, or someone opens the door from the inside without a card, and then the door stays open for 5 minutes while 300 people filter in and out.
Since when is it too hard for a teacher to put a cross next to someones name when they're present and not when they're not?
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