• Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker
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[QUOTE=Teddybeer;38576662]Bigger and bigger classes to cut costs.[/QUOTE] At my high school they used this program called magister where they would just tick a box next to a person to confirm attendance, if you weren't there your parents would get send a text, 8 times not there and your parents get fined by the govt.
[QUOTE=sixtyten;38567071]RFID is a pretty shitty way of determining attendance if you ask me.[/QUOTE] Get a friend to swipe you into all your classes and presto! You have a perfect attendance.
Those of you supporting this technology the way the school is using it, let me ask you this: would it be legal to treat a child like cattle? If not, why should it be legal to tag them like cattle?
Oh Glaber! You always surprise me.
I don't think most people understand what RFID. In a nutshell- in passive RFID systems, electromagnetic fields can power a coil inside the card, which powers a little chip inside it that holds all the necessary information. They have a range of a few inches, so you swipe them on a receiver. Active ones have a battery and a range of a few feet, but they still need to be put near a receiver. They are not GPS trackers. They don't know where you are within a foot at all times. They simply log which doors you open - not even necessarily doors you go through. I imagine the school has a little RFID reader (like for oyster cards on london buses) which you swipe the card across. Why's this a problem?
[QUOTE=Metashotzo;38566326]Wasn't the Mark of the Beast on your forehead though? This is just a lanyard. I don't think the Bibble said anything about those.[/QUOTE] It's about the actual effects of the lanyard, not the location or anything like that. They're being fairly literal with their interpretation. Both sides are wrong in their own way.
I wouldn't be happy about it, but if it's only on campus, I wouldn't have a whole lot of complaints either. I mean, it's a middle school campus. Where are you going to go that would get you in trouble besides leaving it in general? I'm guessing knowing if kids ditch is the main purpose for it then.
No one here ever got a saturday school for being "out of area"? "You left the lunchroom a few minutes to early to head to your homeroom, hope you don't have any plans for the weekend." There are a few dangers with this, with how anal public school vice principals can be. Also "why was she in the boy's bathroom? Why were the both of you in the gym equipment storage area?" no in school sex.
My school forced us to wear it back in high school, Noone ever wore it, and the teachers could not care less. Though, it was more of an ID card.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38566586]Get a good pal hold on your RFID for a day. Skipping a day of school was never easier.[/QUOTE] I imagine it'd get a little fishy when one person walks into class and the rest suddenly register as "there". Not that Texas would try and negate that, given this is about funding.
Do people know about RFID that they just blindly oppose it because it's some sort of conformity? Wearing RFID-tagged cards and use them to quickly sign attendance is a pretty brilliant idea. In every school I've been to the teacher spends about 2 minutes, give or take 30 seconds taking attendance, this is for every single lesson I have each day in schoo. Now imagine it adds people as "attending" to the list, simply by walking through the door, and then the teacher can call the names of the people who are not signed up, thus if the RFID reader missed somebody they can just say " hey " anyways. It'd save a lot of time. So why are people opposing this? RFID-technology cannot track you like a GPS does, it doesn't follow you outside the school, it doesn't even follow you inside the school, it registers whenever you pass a RFID-reader, which have like a max range of 2 meters.
[QUOTE=jiggu;38580876]So why are people opposing this? RFID-technology cannot track you like a GPS does, it doesn't follow you outside the school, it doesn't even follow you inside the school, it registers whenever you pass a RFID-reader, which have like a max range of 2 meters.[/QUOTE] The argument is that you can track a students movements throughout a campus, not that they know where someone is on the globe. At least that's what I hope people are arguing. Anyone talking about the latter needs to invest in some quality tinfoil.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38581250]The argument is that you can track a students movements throughout a campus, not that they know where someone is on the globe. At least that's what I hope people are arguing. Anyone talking about the latter needs to invest in some quality tinfoil.[/QUOTE] If by tracking you mean keeping a log of what doors you enter, I don't see the bad in that, you should be in your classroom after all.
[QUOTE=jiggu;38585556]If by tracking you mean keeping a log of what doors you enter, I don't see the bad in that, you should be in your classroom after all.[/QUOTE] It may not be bad, but what right does a school have to [I]require[/I] it from all their students, every day.
George Orwell confirmed for predicting future [editline]25th November 2012[/editline] wait fuck nvm
Wow, a couple years back I thought of RFID tracking for high school exactly like this for an extracurricular business competition. But I just did it for the prize money of 300 dollars.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;38585630]It may not be bad, but what right does a school have to [I]require[/I] it from all their students, every day.[/QUOTE]What right do you have to refuse?
[QUOTE=Ybbats;38585630]It may not be bad, but what right does a school have to [I]require[/I] it from all their students, every day.[/QUOTE] All rights to. At work we have to carry ID badges, why not at school? Oh wait I already do.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38585784]What right do you have to refuse?[/QUOTE] your rights as a human being? to be treated with dignity and respect? but yeah i forgot you don't become human until you've left school
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38585867]your rights as a human being? to be treated with dignity and respect? but yeah i forgot you don't become human until you've left school[/QUOTE]That's not saying what right you have. That's a cocked-up attempt to romanticize your post hoping it'll white-wash the lack of content. What right, exactly, do you have to refuse? Furthermore, how does this actually disrespect or treat you with indignity in any regard?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38585890]That's not saying what right you have. That's a cocked-up attempt to romanticize your post hoping it'll white-wash the lack of content. What right, exactly, do you have to refuse? Furthermore, how does this actually disrespect or treat you with indignity in any regard?[/QUOTE] ok well, i say the right to dignity then! i don't know if this is a literal right though? but i'd still refuse based on it. and i dunno maybe it's just me but i find the idea of people electronically monitoring where i am fucked [editline]25th November 2012[/editline] maybe i'm just still anti-school
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38585784]What right do you have to refuse?[/QUOTE] The fact that my school has no right to force me to wear something.
silly christians.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38585972]ok well, i say the right to dignity then! i don't know if this is a literal right though? but i'd still refuse based on it. and i dunno maybe it's just me but i find the idea of people electronically monitoring where i am fucked [editline]25th November 2012[/editline] maybe i'm just still anti-school[/QUOTE] They already have logs, it's called attendancy. The only thing they're doing here is making it more automatic, refusing it because it's suddenly automatic is ignorant.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38585972]ok well, i say the right to dignity then! i don't know if this is a literal right though? but i'd still refuse based on it. and i dunno maybe it's just me but i find the idea of people electronically monitoring where i am fucked [editline]25th November 2012[/editline] maybe i'm just still anti-school[/QUOTE] They're electronically monitoring where you are within campus. Are you really that paranoid? [editline]25th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Appellation;38578212]No one here ever got a saturday school for being "out of area"? "You left the lunchroom a few minutes to early to head to your homeroom, hope you don't have any plans for the weekend." There are a few dangers with this, with how anal public school vice principals can be. Also "why was she in the boy's bathroom? Why were the both of you in the gym equipment storage area?" n[B]o in school sex.[/B][/QUOTE] You do realise you don't have the right to underage sex?
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;38567896]I was wondering, why the hell are they tracking eye movements? Then I realized that for some reason pupil is a term for student.[/QUOTE] To obviously make sure male students aren't staring and gawking at the hot female classmates to defy abstinence and give in to Satan's evil lust for women and sex.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;38585630]It may not be bad, but what right does a school have to [I]require[/I] it from all their students, every day.[/QUOTE] The fact you are inside their premises and are using the service they provide (ie being taught)? It is no different to if you worked for a company that used RFID for opening doors / tracking time (which some do). I should say in fairness though I do dislike the idea, nothing to do with tracking or the devil though. I technically had to wear one when I was at college, it lived in my pocket for two years and only came out to get into and out of the building.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38589029]The fact you are inside their premises and are using the service they provide (ie being taught)? It is no different to if you worked for a company that used RFID for opening doors / tracking time (which some do). I should say in fairness though I do dislike the idea, nothing to do with tracking or the devil though. I technically had to wear one when I was at college, it lived in my pocket for two years and only came out to get into and out of the building.[/QUOTE] Still need to sign a contract, they can't just decide to do this on a whim. If his parents agreed though, he should wear it.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38589331]Still need to sign a contract, they can't just decide to do this on a whim. If his parents agreed though, he should wear it.[/QUOTE] Indeed, if he or his parents signed some sort of agreement (which in the UK is quite common, dunno about in the US) then they have no leg to stand on really.
[QUOTE=Jsm;38589429]Indeed, if he or his parents signed some sort of agreement (which in the UK is quite common, dunno about in the US) then they have no leg to stand on really.[/QUOTE] At my school the post-16 students were recently issued with photo id lanyards with a single day's warning. Is that legal? [editline]25th November 2012[/editline] In the UK
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