65 years old knocked off his bicycle by three kids. Results? One dead, one wounded, one in jail
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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38170586]Turns out Bobie is Mitt Romney's alter-ego.
[editline]24th October 2012[/editline]
No, you're trying to argue that. Badly.[/QUOTE]
i posted the credible scientific source, where's your widely accepted citation that free will exists? oh wait
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;38170608]read my post as much as you read the article GJ.[/QUOTE]
i read your post i just have no fucking clue what you're talking about
Poor old guy, now hes gonna be remembered as a child killer.
This is quite sad.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170631]i posted the credible scientific source, where's your widely accepted citation that free will exists? oh wait
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
i read your post i just have no fucking clue what you're talking about[/QUOTE]
I seriously don't get how my post can be hard to understand at all
I'm thinking that you're choosing to play devils advocate
just like you did in the WBC thread before you chose not to.
maybe it was simply fate and the position of the sun, the moon and the stars that determined whether or not you should argue in this thread.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170216]if there were empirical evidence that we were a computer simulation, then i would have to accept it. however, at the moment, there's plenty of other stuff that doesn't have evidence like, the existence of a god, flying spaghetti monster, extra-terrestrial life etc so i cant accept that we are a computer simulation off of the basis of personal judgement.[/QUOTE]
The problem with what you're saying is that you're saying the universe is deterministic. Therefore any actions we do are only as a result of actions that have occurred.
This argument only means anything if we can have knowledge of the entire universe at one time. Otherwise, the universe being deterministic is meaningless.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38170670]I seriously don't get how my post can be hard to understand at all
I'm thinking that you're choosing to play devils advocate
just like you did in the WBC thread before you chose not to.[/QUOTE]
yes there's alot we don't know about the brain, that's obvious. there. i said it. but it's well known that your actions are based off of the reaction of your hormones and the result of your environment. i'm not playing devil's advocate, im just saying that a better quality of life and education will prevent situations like these
god
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38170233]Facepunch is like a liberal stormfront now
seriously, it's not okay to rob people just because you're poor, especially a 65 year old, and especially not with the violence these fuckwits used. This old man had the sense to be packing and it paid off for him; he very easily could have died as a result.
e: hey bobie wrong rating there pal i'm actually [I]disagreeing[/I] with you[/QUOTE]
lmao liberal stormfront
maybe if you weren't borderline illiterate you would understand p much everyone here including Bobie and I think he was justified, we just don't think you should praise and celebrate the death of a 15 year old
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170706]yes there's alot we don't know about the brain, that's obvious. there. i said it. but it's well known that your actions are based off of the reaction of your hormones and the result of your environment. i'm not playing devil's advocate, im just saying that a better quality of life and education will prevent situations like these
god[/QUOTE]
hi read my post please
[QUOTE=J!NX;38170510]Great 180 you did there[/QUOTE]
how is it a 180 to say he was justified but you shouldn't praise him?
[QUOTE=geel9;38170683]The problem with what you're saying is that you're saying the universe is deterministic. Therefore any actions we do are only as a result of actions that have occurred.
This argument only means anything if we can have knowledge of the entire universe at one time. Otherwise, the universe being deterministic is meaningless.[/QUOTE]
well i don't know if the [i]universe[/i] is deterministic, but it would seem that humanity's actions are largely determined by factors beyond any personal control
[QUOTE=geel9;38170720]hi read my post please[/QUOTE]
your post sucked and was literally just your own little opinion on determinism with nothing other than "hm heres what i guess happened" as evidence
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170706]yes there's alot we don't know about the brain, that's obvious. there. i said it. but it's well known that your actions are based off of the reaction of your hormones and the result of your environment. i'm not playing devil's advocate, im just saying that a better quality of life and education will prevent situations like these
god[/QUOTE]
which I agree with. poor housing leads to shitty people
but you do realize they still chose to take action, and that you're overcomplicating this argument to an insane degree?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38170711]lmao liberal stormfront
maybe if you weren't borderline illiterate you would understand p much everyone here including Bobie and I think he was justified, we just don't think you should praise and celebrate the death of a 15 year old[/QUOTE]
I don't see a majority of praise so I don't know where he is coming from
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38170726]how is it a 180 to say he was justified but you shouldn't praise him?[/QUOTE]
"why the fuck are you guys praising [B]a child killer[/B] lol"
I'm more pointing towards that
seriously if you want to sound like you're very against the old man, you'd call him a child killer.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38170746]which I agree with
but you do realize they still chose to take action, and that you're overcomplicating this argument to an insane degree?
I don't see a majority of praise so I don't know where he was coming from
but that's just me[/QUOTE]
149 people read a story about a 15 year old kid getting shot to death (justifiably) by an elderly man and clicked "winner"
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170727]well i don't know if the [i]universe[/i] is deterministic, but it would seem that humanity's actions are largely determined by factors beyond any personal control[/QUOTE]
If you're not going to condemn the children for assault because they didn't have a choice, why are you condemning the man?
I love these self-defense threads because of the "What the fuck why didn't he just [I]take it!?"[/I] posts that always get like 120 dumbs.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38170746]which I agree with. poor housing leads to shitty people
but you do realize they still chose to take action, and that you're overcomplicating this argument to an insane degree?
I don't see a majority of praise so I don't know where he is coming from[/QUOTE]
well maybe i read into the semantics of choice a bit too much. they are at fault for attempting to assault a man, yes. but it doesn't give warrant for any praise in the old guy's name
this whole thread is a bit of a headache
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38170711]lmao liberal stormfront
maybe if you weren't borderline illiterate you would understand p much everyone here including Bobie and I think he was justified, we just don't think you should praise and celebrate the death of a 15 year old[/QUOTE]
except you both literally believe it's OK for poor people to rob wealthier people because somehow the wealthy deserve it and I you know don't
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38170808]except you both literally believe it's OK for poor people to rob wealthier people and I don't[/QUOTE]
except we both literally don't believe that
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170802]well maybe i read into the semantics of choice a bit too much. they are at fault for attempting to assault a man, yes. but it doesn't give warrant for any praise in the old guy's name
this whole thread is a bit of a headache[/QUOTE]
Why are you angry at us? If we rated winner (I actually didn't), it's because our chemistry and hormones made us. We had no choice.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38170808]except you both literally believe it's OK for poor people to rob wealthier people and I don't[/QUOTE]
VIVA LA REVOLUCION! MURDER THE BOURGEOISIE AND TAKE CONTROL, THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT SHALL BE OURS MARXIST BROTHERS!
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170802]well maybe i read into the semantics of choice a bit too much. they are at fault for attempting to assault a man, yes. but it doesn't give warrant for any praise in the old guy's name
this whole thread is a bit of a headache[/QUOTE]
I'm thinking the praise isn't because of his action but because he chose to act, as opposed to simply not fighting
although seriously if you think "thank god they are useless anyways" you need your brain checked.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38170808]except you both literally believe it's OK for poor people to rob wealthier people because somehow the wealthy deserve it and I you know don't[/QUOTE]
far stretch
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38170823]except we both literally don't believe that[/QUOTE]
whatever you say lol
[QUOTE=geel9;38170840]Why are you angry at us? If we rated winner (I actually didn't), it's because our chemistry and hormones made us. We had no choice.[/QUOTE]
im not angry i just dont like having to explain the concept of free will to everyone in every SH thread
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170727]well i don't know if the [i]universe[/i] is deterministic, but it would seem that humanity's actions are largely determined by factors beyond any personal control[/QUOTE]
Yes, humanity seems to be so, but the thing is, if the universe isn't deterministic then there may be things on such a small scale or things that we cannot know that are not deterministic that affect us. Though this doesn't say anything about free will, only that our actions cannot entierly be predictable. Still the thought that free will doesn't exist has, as said before, no scientific value at all unless we know everything.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38170845]I'm thinking the praise isn't because of his action but because he chose to act, as opposed to simply not fighting
although seriously if you think "thank god they are useless anyways" you need your brain checked.[/QUOTE]
im not following you, when did i say they are useless
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170857]im not angry i just dont like having to explain the concept of free will to everyone in every SH thread[/QUOTE]
But you're condemning those who rated winner. They're sufferers of their own lack of free will. Also, you have no right to be frustrated by us apparently not understanding free will; it's not our decision whether or not we understand something.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170866]im not following you, when did i say they are useless[/QUOTE]
I'm pointing to people who are calling the kids useless and saying they had it coming, not you
like this dip stick
[QUOTE=avaz;38169797]Yes, a kid who more than likely will be in and out of prison for his whole life, judging by he was on probation already and was going out jumping and robbing random people. In my opinion, his life isn't worth much. At least the people of Pennsylvania don't have to waste money on him by sending him to prison.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=geel9;38170884]But you're condemning those who rated winner. They're sufferers of their own lack of free will. Also, you have no right to be frustrated by us apparently not understanding free will; it's not our decision whether or not we understand something.[/QUOTE]
think of me as a contemporary jesus
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;38170895]I'm pointing to people who are calling the kids useless and saying they had it coming, not you[/QUOTE]
oh nevermind then
[QUOTE=Bobie;38170902]think of me as a contemporary jesus
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
oh nevermind then[/QUOTE]
hi yeah I'd really prefer if you accepted that your arguments are dumb as fuck when they're presented to you instead of just saying something incoherent and "witty"
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38170848]whatever you say lol[/QUOTE]
why do you hate jews dude
[QUOTE=geel9;38170919]hi yeah I'd really prefer if you accepted that your arguments are dumb as fuck when they're presented to you instead of just saying something incoherent and "witty"[/QUOTE]
[i]"Jesus said, "[Come], that I may teach you about [secrets] no person [has] ever seen."[/i]
-[i]John 13:27[/i]
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