65 years old knocked off his bicycle by three kids. Results? One dead, one wounded, one in jail
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Hardly good news. Kids were shitheads, but many people don't stay shitheads forever and in retrospect a wallet isn't worth a life, even if it is the life of a dumb asshole. Still the guy old guy was obviously within his rights, they chose the wrong victim and they got what was coming.
Ha, this happened around where I lived.
It's odd seeing this now; it happened quite a while ago. I plum forgot about it since then.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38171419]at the same time there are people saying all the rich should be arrested for being rich and their money given to the poor, that inheritance should be completely confiscated by the government, that communism under the ussr worked, and some other stupid bullshit
it's very polarized but i think overall it leans more towards liberal extremism
it's not even liberalism, i don't know the real term for it but you get the idea[/QUOTE]
the first of those 2 are positions literally nobody holds, the 3rd one is ridiculously minor
stop bein a baby
This is probably a stupid question, but can you buy non lethal munitions like rubber bullets in the U.S? Why wouldn't you market those for self defence and sell them to people with concealed carry permits. Pardon my ignorance.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;38171805]This is probably a stupid question, but can you buy non lethal munitions like rubber bullets in the U.S? Why wouldn't you market those for self defence and sell them to people with concealed carry permits. Pardon my ignorance.[/QUOTE]
because their effectiveness for self defence is questionable
It is only my personal opinion, but I believe real bullets are too.
Unpopular opinions.
well if you want to argue the best method of self defense, stay indoors and share your opinions on the internet. if you dont go out then you cant get mugged
Cool he didn't get in trouble and those kids deserved it.
[QUOTE=Justin Case;38167749]I know we don't have all the facts but could he not have just given one of them a non-lethal shot so they'd leave him? Doesn't sound like they even had a knife or anything...
I'm not siding with the little pricks, I just think the death of a 16 year old could have been avoided.[/QUOTE]
You have massive veins in your legs, being shot in the legs can easily mean bleeding to death. Quickly. Also, if you took your time for a "nonwounding nonlethal shot" you probably weren't in much trouble in the first place. It is hard enough to shoot normally, much less with two people jumping you and beating the shit out of you. People DO NOT HAVE AIMBOTS
I repeat
[b]HUMAN BEINGS, DO NOT! HAVE! AIMBOTS![/b]
[QUOTE=Bobie;38168059]right because at 65 you're totally senile and lack the ability to not fire off multiple shots at kids running towards him[/QUOTE]
Yes after being punched and kicked in the face you start to lose some of your faculties, regardless of age.
[editline]24th October 2012[/editline]
And he could have been completely senile for all you know.
I still think that if old men could kill as many teenagers as they wanted, the world would be a better place. Old men could rule the world.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;38172083]I still think that if old men could kill as many teenagers as they wanted, the world would be a better place. Old men could rule the world.[/QUOTE]
They already rule the world though.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;38172121]They already rule the world though.[/QUOTE]
No, old men run the world, old men ruling the world should be their real goal.
I also think the old man should of cooked the young men's meat, as I find that hunting for sport is unethical.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38171940]well if you want to argue the best method of self defense, stay indoors and share your opinions on the internet. if you dont go out then you cant get mugged[/QUOTE]
I just think that death like this is kind of a waste and that maybe, and I'm not saying force people to drop regular ammo but maybe more should be invested into the development of non lethal munitions or other non lethal personal defence weapons. Why do people seem so intent on killing, frankly after what I've seen in military hardware I'm quite sure it's possible to do better and find a middle ground. I'm not saying i'm a better person than anyone who genuinely fears for their life, but If I could choose, I would rather incapacitate than kill.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;38171805]This is probably a stupid question, but can you buy non lethal munitions like rubber bullets in the U.S? Why wouldn't you market those for self defence and sell them to people with concealed carry permits. Pardon my ignorance.[/QUOTE]
Handguns have extremely minimal force of impact. Rubber bullets from them would accomplish nothing other than panicking people who are already skittish (which generally is the extent of their use from what I understand). Using them in an actual fight would accomplish almost nothing. People take handgun injuries and keep going for several minutes afterwards routinely.
[editline]24th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;38172180]I just think that death like this is kind of a waste and that maybe, and I'm not saying force people to drop regular ammo but maybe more should be invested into the development of non lethal munitions or other non lethal personal defence weapons. Why do people seem so intent on killing, frankly after what I've seen in military hardware I'm quite sure it's possible to do better and find a middle ground. I'm not saying i'm a better person than anyone who genuinely fears for their life, but If I could choose, I would rather incapacitate than kill.[/QUOTE]
Guns don't instantly stop people unless they are larger calliber rifle bullets designed to tumble and destroy large swaths of tissue as they travel.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA[/media]
Interesting how I'm sure a lot of people here would be against capital punishment for a robbery like this, but also say the kid deserved to be killed. Not taking sides on this one but just an interesting contradiction.
[QUOTE=ThisIsTheOne;38172731]Interesting how I'm sure a lot of people here would be against capital punishment for a robbery like this, but also say the kid deserved to be killed. Not taking sides on this one but just an interesting contradiction.[/QUOTE]
not really? capital punishment happens after the fact. the kid didn't "deserve" to get killed, there was no justice involved in him dying, the only reason its even remotely acceptable is because he was attacking the dude and the guy may have been killed as a result
Attackers implicitly agree to the risk of severe bodily harm that they alone are responsible for when they attack another person.
Move along, this is just another case of the law being followed.
[QUOTE=Scot;38167688]Um what the fuck, how is a crazy old man killing a child who simply knocked him over a good thing?
You guys are fucked up.[/QUOTE]
picture this, 3 men are ganging up on you. one punches you in the face and one kicks you against the fence. What do you do? Let them keep beating on you?
If I'm weird for thinking I have the right to defend myself against three people who have me on the ground and are beating the shit out of me, then I don't want to be normal.
[editline]24th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;38171805]This is probably a stupid question, but can you buy non lethal munitions like rubber bullets in the U.S? Why wouldn't you market those for self defence and sell them to people with concealed carry permits. Pardon my ignorance.[/QUOTE]
There's no such thing as non-lethal ammunition.
I don't see what the problem is, this is the risk you take when you decide go out and start mugging people in this country.
They knocked him off a bike with a punch to the face, kicked him, cornered him, then started attacking again. They left him with no other option, there was no fighting back, there was no running away, there's no calling for help because of his location, all that's left is a gun.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38167846]its like this thread is in a far-flung dystopia where killing kids for pushing you off of a bike is a-ok[/QUOTE]
It's like this thread is in a far-flung dystopia where not reading the article and then commenting is a-ok
[QUOTE=Pedro the Fuzzy;38167716]awaiting social commentary on "this generation"[/QUOTE]
More like the retiring generation of insane fucks.
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Usernameztaken;38173384]It's like this thread is in a far-flung dystopia where not reading the article and then commenting is a-ok[/QUOTE]
Wasn't it always?
[QUOTE=0FucksGiven;38172040]You have massive veins in your legs, being shot in the legs can easily mean bleeding to death. Quickly. Also, if you took your time for a "nonwounding nonlethal shot" you probably weren't in much trouble in the first place. It is hard enough to shoot normally, much less with two people jumping you and beating the shit out of you. People DO NOT HAVE AIMBOTS
I repeat
[b]HUMAN BEINGS, DO NOT! HAVE! AIMBOTS![/b][/QUOTE]
Finally someone who understands this. The only nonlethal nonwounding shot is a supressed pistol firing a 22lr subsonic round right into the ground.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;38172180]I just think that death like this is kind of a waste and that maybe, and I'm not saying force people to drop regular ammo but maybe more should be invested into the development of non lethal munitions or other non lethal personal defence weapons. Why do people seem so intent on killing, frankly after what I've seen in military hardware I'm quite sure it's possible to do better and find a middle ground. I'm not saying i'm a better person than anyone who genuinely fears for their life, but If I could choose, I would rather incapacitate than kill.[/QUOTE]
We don't actually have that stuff; a middle ground would be ammunition that is less effective at [I]everything[/I]. For self defence, get something with good stopping power and little risk of over-penetration, aand a higher chance the person wont just keep coming at you.
If you ever said in court you chose to incapacitate than kill, your case will be hurt. [I]A lot.
[/I]Chances are, if you were even ABLE to make that choice in such a situation, you weren't overpowered nor were you fearing for your life.
Guys, take this into consideration; When you [I]understand[/I] you might die in the next few minutes, you're not calm. You want to survive. If you got a button you can push to make danger go away, you're going to mash it as hard and fast as you can, and you're not going to stop to check if the danger went away for each press. And you're certainly not going to press it half-way because you only want it [I]kinda[/I]​ gone.
It was a heat of the moment thing, all he knew is "some kids just knocked me off my bike and are coming after me, possibly to kill me, maybe to rob me. My only chance is the gun im licensed to have"
im sure it wasn't intended to kill, but it did. That's just how these things happen. I hope the man isn't charged
[QUOTE=ThisIsTheOne;38172731]Interesting how I'm sure a lot of people here would be against capital punishment for a robbery like this, but also say the kid deserved to be killed. Not taking sides on this one but just an interesting contradiction.[/QUOTE]
"Interesting" how this doesn't fit the case at all. The [I]teenager[/I] deserved his death because of what he was doing to this old man. Additionally, his death is much more justified because it [I]prevented[/I] more harm from happening, [I]while it was happening[/I]. So unlike capital punishment (Which sometimes is a pointless revenge for another death), one life was taken to save another, instead of one life taken to avenge another.
Not pointing fingers but someone's comprehension of "a lot of people here" is kinda shit.
i don't want to start a shit fight, but this is definitely not acceptable. you're allowed to take someone's life for hitting you and trying to steal a BIKE? jesus fucking christ, this is what's wrong with america, and why everything thinks it's a shit hole
Don't assault people.
It's good to see guns being used how they're suppose be lately- in self-defense.
[editline]24th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pelican;38173670]i don't want to start a shit fight, but this is definitely not acceptable. you're allowed to take someone's life for hitting you and trying to steal a BIKE? jesus fucking christ, this is what's wrong with america, and why everything thinks it's a shit hole[/QUOTE]
You're obviously trying to start something by talking with a mouth full of shit. Let's put your own grandmother or loved elderly one in a situation like this- I doubt this man was attempting to take a life, but rather protecting his own.
Holy fuck, one little story and facepunch creates eleven pages worth of arguing about morals and justification.
Also debating what if scenarios is pointless because they never happened.
[QUOTE=Rents;38167701]Well, I wouldn't say the kid deserved to get shot dead but it's not like the old guy could do much else to defend himself.[/QUOTE]
punch the kids in the face?
Lethal force shouldn't be your first line of defense. If a bunch of kids tried to rob me I'm not going to chase them down with a gun and try to kill them all so how can you say they deserved it?
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38173266]picture this, 3 men are ganging up on you. one punches you in the face and one kicks you against the fence. What do you do? Let them keep beating on you?
If I'm weird for thinking I have the right to defend myself against three people who have me on the ground and are beating the shit out of me, then I don't want to be normal.
[editline]24th October 2012[/editline]
There's no such thing as non-lethal ammunition.[/QUOTE]
3 men. Not kids.
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