65 years old knocked off his bicycle by three kids. Results? One dead, one wounded, one in jail
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[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38173969]punch the kids in the face?
Lethal force shouldn't be your first line of defense. If a bunch of kids tried to rob me I'm not going to chase them down with a gun and try to kill them all so how can you say they deserved it?
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
3 men. Not kids.[/QUOTE]
he didn't chase them down, he pulled his gun and shot people who were currently in the process of beating him senseless.
I can't say I have to much sympathy for these teens. They were old enough (15, 15, 16) to know fully well what they were doing and the risks associated with it. I feel more bad for the old man who had to resort to shooting them; I'm sure it's not a decision he made lightly.
We need to stop treating teenagers like children. I was a pretty naive teenager, and I would like to think I had a pretty solid grasp on how most things worked. Fuck with other people, and expect to get fucked back.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38174075]he didn't chase them down, he pulled his gun and shot people who were currently in the process of beating him senseless.[/QUOTE]
Yeah well there are other ways of fighting back besides shooting them. Like fighting back.
If someone in your school starts beating you up for no reason are you going to whip out a knife and slit his throat or something?
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;38174083]15 and 16 year olds are young adults, you can be fucking built at that age, and plenty of teens could fuck adults/elderly (especially the elderly, they're fucking old ffs) up bad.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but its not like that guy was on his death bed. 65 really isn't that old.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;38174130]you're seriously telling me that a 65 year old can defend himself against 3 140-180lb young adults, with intent to rob/assault?
im not buying it[/QUOTE]
If you weigh 180lbs at age 15 you are FAT.
and yeah I am
Doesn't matter how old you are, fending off against 3 other people would be difficult no matter the circumstances.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38174102]Yeah well there are other ways of fighting back besides shooting them. Like fighting back.
If someone in your school starts beating you up for no reason are you going to whip out a knife and slit his throat or something?[/QUOTE]
It was 3 on 1. Three teens against an elderly man. He did all he could at the moment. Also self defense isn't allowed in many schools anyway. Zero tolerance my ass.
[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;38174158]Doesn't matter how old you are, fending off against 3 other people would be difficult no matter the circumstances.[/QUOTE]
Umm yes it does. If 3 12 year olds attacked me they would get their asses kicked.
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;38174168]um if you're not a midget or a skinny nerde, you will be in that range, especially if you work out[/QUOTE]
I'm 5'11 and I'm buff yet I only weigh 150lbs
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38174170]Umm yes it does. If 3 12 year olds attacked me they would get their asses kicked.
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
I'm 5'11 and I'm buff yet I only weigh 150lbs[/QUOTE]
What if they were 3 180 lb. 12 year olds?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;38174177]you're riding your bike, get clotheslined off of it and then they kick you while you're down
yeah you're winning the fight there
[editline]24th October 2012[/editline]
haha yeah sure[/QUOTE]
No really. And so are like half the guys in my weight training class my height.
You know what. Lets just let all American's settle their problems with guns.
Person breaks into your house? no need to call the cops, just blow their head off.
A random group of teens beating you up? Shoot them all.
Some sketchy guy frightens you in the middle of the night? SHOOT HIS FACE OFF!
The popular kids at school are making fun of you again? Kill them all.
You see if we all carry guns we will all be safe from those insane dangerous criminals.
Americas gun laws and self defense laws are so lax. If this happened in Canada that guy could get charged with manslaughter and numerous other things.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38174170]Umm yes it does. If 3 12 year olds attacked me they would get their asses kicked.
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
I'm 5'11 and I'm buff yet I only weigh 150lbs[/QUOTE]
No one gives a fuck what you would do.
Back on topic, I think it was pretty justified to have shot them. If the old man's testimony was that he was punched in the face/clotheslined and then kicked on the ground, they could have very well killed him. I don't know why people are like "oh, you can just wave your gun or do a warning shot" or some shit. There's 3 teenagers stomping on you, do you really you can just point it at them and they will all magically back off?
They were in the process of beating the shit out of him.
[I]But the cops![/I]
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38174208]No really. And so are like half the guys in my weight training class my height.
You know what. Lets just let all American's settle their problems with guns.
Person breaks into your house? no need to call the cops, just blow their head off.
A random group of teens beating you up? Shoot them all.
Some sketchy guy frightens you in the middle of the night? SHOOT HIS FACE OFF!
The popular kids at school are making fun of you again? Kill them all.
You see if we all carry guns we will all be safe from those insane dangerous criminals.
Americas gun laws and self defense laws are so lax. If this happened in Canada that guy could get charged with manslaughter and numerous other things.[/QUOTE]
are you fucking kidding me, 3 16 year olds vs a 65 year old??? had any of them been armed this fight would have been more one sided than a fucking broncos game. the only reason he awsnt killed was quick thinking and the fact he had a gun, had he not been armed, and had any of them been armed even if he was armed, they would have won the fight, and the guy probably would have been killed.
[QUOTE=Apache249;38174228]They were in the process of beating the shit out of him.
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Death penalty.
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=mr kjerr;38174246]are you fucking kidding me, 3 16 year olds vs a 65 year old??? had any of them been armed this fight would have been more one sided than a fucking broncos game. the only reason he awsnt killed was quick thinking and the fact he had a gun, had he not been armed, and had any of them been armed even if he was armed, they would have won the fight, and the guy probably would have been killed.[/QUOTE]
Well if they were armed that's a different story.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38174251]Death penalty.[/QUOTE]
You are really entrenched in your own view.
You people who are siding against the man are completely naive. Leave your basement every once in a while and get a clue about how the world works. There are people out there who wouldn't give a second thought about killing you for the few dollars in your wallet, when you get punched of your bike and further beaten you have the right to defend yourself. I know if I was being assaulted by multiple people I would be in fear of my life and if I had a gun on me I would absolutely use it to defend my life. I don't know what these peoples intentions are and they already committed violence against me.
And call the cops? Thats funny. So you have someone in your house, you don't know their intentions and you're just gonna call the cops and they're going to teleport over to your house and save you, just like that. I'm willing to say average response time for a 911 call is around 10 minutes. Police aren't there to protect you when you need to be protected, they're not a preventative measure. Police respond, they're an after-the-fact sort of deal. They're not going to be there to help you if a robbery goes wrong and you get killed. They'll be there to put you in a body bag.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38174251]Death penalty.
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
Well if they were armed that's a different story.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather have a law abiding citizen come out of a tussle alive than 3 savage bastards. if you would rather the law abiding citizen be killed than those kids you've really got some issues
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38174208]No really. And so are like half the guys in my weight training class my height.
You know what. Lets just let all American's settle their problems with guns.
Person breaks into your house? no need to call the cops, just blow their head off.
A random group of teens beating you up? Shoot them all.
Some sketchy guy frightens you in the middle of the night? SHOOT HIS FACE OFF!
The popular kids at school are making fun of you again? Kill them all.
You see if we all carry guns we will all be safe from those insane dangerous criminals.
Americas gun laws and self defense laws are so lax. If this happened in Canada that guy could get charged with manslaughter and numerous other things.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry you disagree with the idea but basically American justice works like this:
You don't have to take a beating. Ever.
Nobody has the right to hurt you without just cause.
Now unless they threaten your life, killing them in self defense isn't generally okay, but sending them to the ER? Just fine.
A 65 year old man is definitely in fairly serious danger if three teenage assailants get the drop on him and start beating him. This isn't to say that the teens deserved to die, merely that the 65 year old didn't have to risk his physical well being to accommodate people physically assaulting him.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;38174208]No really. And so are like half the guys in my weight training class my height.
You know what. Lets just let all American's settle their problems with guns.
Person breaks into your house? no need to call the cops, just blow their head off.
A random group of teens beating you up? Shoot them all.
Some sketchy guy frightens you in the middle of the night? SHOOT HIS FACE OFF!
The popular kids at school are making fun of you again? Kill them all.
You see if we all carry guns we will all be safe from those insane dangerous criminals.
Americas gun laws and self defense laws are so lax. If this happened in Canada that guy could get charged with manslaughter and numerous other things.[/QUOTE]
ok i have a question: what if the police are in a scenario where they kill an attacker
should they be charged with manslaughter as well?
also "The popular kids at school are making fun of you again? Kill them all." this is not how the american justice system works and you must realize this.
Reminded me of this scene
[video=youtube;gM3sl2oaLxo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM3sl2oaLxo[/video]
gotta say im agreeing with gunfox for once
These kids were obviously just little punk shits
They probably would have grown up into alleyway muggers, probably stabbing innocent people to get their next drug hit money
I can't agree with this
The kids may not have been in the right but they didn't deserve to die.
Yet again, another day I'm glad I don't live in the US
[QUOTE=WhatAmI;38175005]I can't agree with this
The kids may not have been in the right but they didn't deserve to die.
Yet again, another day I'm glad I don't live in the US[/QUOTE]
And we come full circle yet again.
You are perfectly OK with getting your shit kicked in by a bunch of sniveling shits? No? Then what is your problem here?
Stop being so righteous
everyone makes mistakes, people don't deserve to get killed for them. You're ignorant and stupid if you believe it's justified to shoot kids just because they made a horrible mistake. They might've learned
Have some respect.
[QUOTE=WhatAmI;38175169]Stop being so righteous
everyone makes mistakes, people don't deserve to get killed for them. You're ignorant and stupid if you believe it's justified to shoot kids just because they made a horrible mistake. They might've learned
Have some respect.[/QUOTE]
They were in the process of beating the shit out of the man. Who would you rather see come out on top, the elderly man or the teens beating his ass?
[QUOTE=WhatAmI;38175005]I can't agree with this
The kids may not have been in the right but they didn't deserve to die.
Yet again, another day I'm glad I don't live in the US[/QUOTE]
We're probably better off without you. We got enough liberals anyway...
As sad as it is to see a young man lose his life, you really can't blame an old man fearing for his life defending himself when cornered and outnumbered.
could that old man not have just threatened them with the gun, or at least shoot them in the legs?
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;38175256]could that old man not have just threatened them with the gun, or at least shoot them in the legs?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38175106]And we come full circle yet again.[/QUOTE]
The amount of retard in this thread is astonishing.
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