65 years old knocked off his bicycle by three kids. Results? One dead, one wounded, one in jail
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[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;38168309]Yea I see your point, they might have just been desperate for money while everyone thinks they are just thugs or something.[/QUOTE]
Go mow some lawns for fuck sake and not old people.
I'm not 100% sure if i like this or not. On one hand, he was being attacked and was an elderly man and these kids were robbing people left and right, and were obviously not going to stop despite being repeat offenders and one of them on probation.
On another hand, they weren't out for blood and they weren't trying to do serious damage.
I think it was justifiable to retaliate, it was completely justifiable, but with a gun....not so much. However, this was an elderly man, out manned, and over powered by 3 kids a quarter of his age a piece.
So in this specific instance, i think i'm okay with it, but not completely okay with it. The elderly man did what he had to do at that very moment in time.
Now to await for this deceased ones parents to paint out their juvenile delinquent as an angel and say how this old man should taste justice.
Ubuntu. You humanize me. When you treat me like a human, you humanize yourself and me. When you treat me as something less than human, we both become sub-human.
Get it? You treat someone like dirt and you get treated like dirt. Also, the kids may have been planning to jump him, so the old dude was fearing for his life.
[QUOTE=Paramud;38168285]Are you familiar what the phrase "on par with" means?[/QUOTE]
I think you need to calm down a bit :v:
[QUOTE=J!NX;38168283]Yes. Not literally comparing it though
Because you're basically pinning it on a clear victim (that's all I was trying to say). Obviously sexual assault far more extreme but it's similar enough I guess.
Maybe it was a bad example? Sorry.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bobie;38167668]why the fuck are you guys praising a child killer lol[/QUOTE]
Hey, there's this cool new thing called self defense
Seriously, it's fucking Reading, have you guys ever been to Reading?
good, because you don't want to
People in this thread have no idea how to read apparently.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;38168135]Gun Debates, and trying to rationalize murdering kids.
Gotta love SH :T[/QUOTE]
Murder is premeditated. The guy did not intend to kill anyone, but was forced into a position where he had to shoot his concealed carry weapon.
Nobody's justifying the death of the teenagers. They tried robbing him and put the guy in a position where he felt the need to defend himself. Now a old man isn't going to win a fistfight against 3 kids, so he's forced to draw his weapon and fire. Nobody who has to draw a concealed carry intends to kill anyone - they only intend to stop the threat.
[QUOTE=Jetpack Bear;38168378]Hey, there's this cool new thing called self defense
Seriously, it's fucking Reading, have you guys ever been to Reading?
good, because you don't want to[/QUOTE]
Some people just read the summary the op puts up and it was very short until a few minutes ago
[QUOTE=Jetpack Bear;38168378]Hey, there's this cool new thing called self defense
Seriously, it's fucking Reading, have you guys ever been to Reading?
good, because you don't want to[/QUOTE]
oh i mustve missed the part in the OP where he didnt kill a teenager nevermind sorry :(
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38168388]
Nobody's justifying the death of the teenagers. [/quote]
This is a pretty textbook example of a justification:
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38168388]They tried robbing him and put the guy in a position where he felt the need to defend himself. Now a old man isn't going to win a fistfight against 3 kids, so he's forced to draw his weapon and fire. Nobody who has to draw a concealed carry intends to kill anyone - they only intend to stop the threat.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=J!NX;38168372]I think you need to calm down a bit :v:[/QUOTE]
The thread is moving fast. You posted while I was typing mine.
Isn't it illegal to release the names of minors , especially before they are charged/convicted?
This is one of the cases where nothing good came out of it.
No, justice wasn't served. Yes, the man may have done what he had to, but in the end a kid died, and there is no justice or peace in that. It's just a very sad situation, and infortunate that it had to come to what happened.
So how many of you have actually been mugged by a group of "angel teenagers who were just poor and needed your hard earned monies" ?
[QUOTE=Bradyns;38168435]Isn't it illegal to release the names of minors , especially before they are charged/convicted?[/QUOTE]
to be fair
you expect the media to be sensible/care about what they say? :v:
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38168429]This is a pretty textbook example of a justification:[/QUOTE]
Providing a reason why what happened, happened is in no way justification of the death of some bad kids. Nobody deserved to die.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38168388]Murder is premeditated.[/QUOTE]
No, first degree murder is premeditated. Second degree murder, voluntary, and involuntary manslaughter aren't.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38168467]to be fair
you expect the media to be sensible/care about what they say? :v:[/QUOTE]
Their parents are the ones they ask for permissions.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;38168457]This is one of the cases where nothing good came out of it.
No, justice wasn't served. Yes, the man may have done what he had to, but in the end a kid died, and there is no justice or peace in that. It's just a very sad situation, and infortunate that it had to come to what happened.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly how I feel.
The kids didn't learn anything, so it had to come down to someone drawing a gun on them. But kids don't have to be shot to learn a fucking lesson.
Guys, what the fuck?
He got [B]punched in the face and kicked on the ground.[/B]
One of the offenders then [B]ran[/B] towards him.
I don't know about you guys but I would be scared shitless. I wouldn't have time to think about anything else other than getting them away from me. If I had a gun I wouldn't wave about in the air or try to fire warning shots. Hell, I wouldn't be able to aim right at all. I would be shooting in the general direction of the cunt running towards me.
They beat him and tried to rob him, [B]they brought this completely on themselves.[/B]
Christ, you might as well be arguing about gun laws because this argument is fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38168426]oh i mustve missed the part in the OP where he didnt kill a teenager nevermind sorry :([/QUOTE]
You must've missed the part about the assault and how he was on the ground 1v3 etc. etc.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;38168435]Isn't it illegal to release the names of minors , especially before they are charged/convicted?[/QUOTE]
Uh, they only released the names of the ones charged, and the one who was killed:
[quote]The 15-year-old shot in the neck remained in Reading Hospital on Thursday, officials said. Information about his medical condition could not be obtained.[B] Police did not release his name because he has not been charged[/B].
The third teen,[B] Michael Gonzalez,[/B] 15, address unavailable, [B]was charged[/B] with robbery, aggravated assault and related offenses and committed to the county youth center in Bern Township.
[/quote]
I am also pretty sure it's legal to release the name of the deceased unless explicitly told not to.
[QUOTE=Paramud;38168472]No, first degree murder is premeditated. Second degree murder, voluntary, and involuntary manslaughter aren't.[/QUOTE]
Congratulations, you argued semantics that don't matter, because the old guy didn't intend to kill anyone.
[QUOTE=Stopper;38168501]You must've missed the part about the assault and how he was on the ground 1v3 etc. etc.[/QUOTE]
ok he was pushed on his bike and kicked once, by 2 kids
then he gunned down 3 kids and 2 of them happened to survive
and i don't understand your argument. you're referring to my first post, yes, he's a child killer. get over it.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38168492]This is exactly how I feel.
The kids didn't learn anything, so it had to come down to someone drawing a gun on them. But kids don't have to be shot to learn a fucking lesson.[/QUOTE]
That is true, but at this case it was the only lesson of the day.
The kid that died didn't learn anything, duh, but the other kids got a valuable lesson.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38168467]to be fair
you expect the media to be sensible/care about what they say? :v:[/QUOTE]
I don't know about the USA, but if this happened in Sweden; Canada or probably most other european countries then yeah you expect media to be careful about what they say.
This is not to bash the USA, I'm simply being honest, I don't know how it is in the USA because a lot of things are much more loose than in other countries.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38168527]Congratulations, you argued semantics that don't matter, because the old guy didn't intend to kill anyone.[/QUOTE]
It's just a pet peeve of mine when people confuse murder with first degree murder, as if spontaneous murder doesn't count because you didn't think it through first. In this case it wasn't murder at all since it was self-defense.
[QUOTE=loopoo;38168019]This thread is full of illiterate tools jumping at the throats of people who even remotely hint that the kids were stupid and at fault for robbing the guy.
"You are all such animals! Condoning such violent acts, you make me sick. All they did was push him off his bike, how does that warrant them being shot and killed?" Read the article fully next time. So many idiots have gone and started a pointless debate.[/QUOTE]
While I don't blame the man for doing it, I would like you guys to read these rather agreed with posts:
[QUOTE=Spot of Tea;38167618]They deserved it
Good thing he got off[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;38167646]Good riddance.[/QUOTE]
While you may argue that some people jump to conclusions, if these aren't more than "remotely hinting" that the kids did something stupid, you're an idiot.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38168546]ok he was pushed on his bike and kicked once, by 2 kids
then he gunned down 3 kids and 2 of them happened to survive[/QUOTE]
Heat of the moment, you're completely out numbered by 3 people 1/4 your age and you have seconds to react.
Also, 65, getting hurt when your old is not as simple as just slapping an icepack on a bruise. Basic injuries can lead to serious health complications.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;38168550]That is true, but at this case it was the only lesson of the day.
The kid that died didn't learn anything, duh, but the other kids got a valuable lesson.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, but who knows how they'll react? A friend of theirs got killed, and not everybody would take such a thing to heart and become a petter person. Sure they may be frightened, but probably not for good - in fact it'll just teach them to be even more violent.
Ofcourse now they're going to jail for a while though.
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